[bsCallout]

Not one person in this thread has called him irreplaceable. What people are saying is that he's a good reliable CB who doesn't make many mistakes. When I see blatant falsehoods like "he's always got a mistake in him" then I'm going to call it out for the bullshit it is. When people call him shite in the air, I'll call that out for the bullshit it is. His weaknesses are still passable because of his reading of the game and composure which are very useful next to someone as gungho as Harry.

The CB I want brought in is because we've been relying on an injured Lindelof too much this season, we need depth in that position. Even if we can get someone around the same level as Lindelof/Maguire, who isn't made of glass, I'd be delighted.

I think he had a bad start to the season. With some bad errors. He's made some more throughout the season, I don't think it's necessarily any more than others but when people dont rate him anyway it's an easy reminder. Like a lot of our defensive problems, it's easy to blame an individual but I think Henderson helps A LOT as would a CDM. Just a better unit all round.

Lindelof and Maguire have definitely improved together throughout the season.

 

[Rossa]

I think a CB is a priority signing.

You said Lindelof always has a mistake in him, you haven't backed that statement up whatsoever.

I don’t think he’s error prone, but I definitely think he can be improved on. Sometimes it seems as if people think our players are the only ones that make mistakes.

What irks me a little about Lindelof is that although he does Make mistakes per se, players take him on because they know they can either outpace him or outmuscle him, or both. Thus they attack him more. Few players try to bully Maguire. Looking at Bailly, attackers actually stop trying to run at him, same as they would vs Rio for instance. Lindelof lacks a cutting-edge. His positional play is good, but not outstanding, and he is neither strong nor quick.

 

[Raven]

I think he had a bad start to the season. With some bad errors. He's made some more throughout the season, I don't think it's necessarily any more than others but when people dont rate him anyway it's an easy reminder. Like a lot of our defensive problems, it's easy to blame an individual but I think Henderson helps A LOT as would a CDM. Just a better unit all round.

Lindelof and Maguire have definitely improved together throughout the season.

I actually thought Lindelof was good at the start of the season with Maguire being the one out of form, evidenced by Lindelof and Tuanzebe's solid partnership against PSG while Maguire had a few nightmares when Victor was missing. I seem to remember the consensus being that Harry's problems in Greece were affecting his form when in truth it was probably the lack of a preseason, like our other players.

There seems to be a slightly distorted view of players performances depending who they are. Lindelof, Martial (usually fairly enough) and Pogba taking the worst of it, last season Shaw was included as well.

 

[bsCallout]

I actually thought Lindelof was good at the start of the season with Maguire being the one out of form, evidenced by Lindelof and Tuanzebe's solid partnership against PSG while Maguire had a few nightmares when Victor was missing. I seem to remember the consensus being that Harry's problems in Greece were affecting his form when in truth it was probably the lack of a preseason, like our other players.

There seems to be a slightly distorted view of players performances depending who they are. Lindelof, Martial (usually fairly enough) and Pogba taking the worst of it, last season Shaw was included as well.

There were articles on Lindelofs mistakes at the start of the season.

They've both grown to the point I'm not desperate for a starting CB now. I mean look at Stones turnaround.

 

[Foxbatt]

This comment comes up every game. Regardless if there is one or not and frankly it's a bit tiring.

You must be joking. Every time we have lost it is because of Lindelof. Even when he is not playing.

 

[golden_blunder]

It’s all in the past and I think we were both pretty rude

Agreed, it’s just different opinions

 

[KiD MoYeS]

I learned today how defensive people are of Vic.

It's a good thing, he needs people in his corner and we all have our favourites.

 

[Sylar]

Goal was his fault for the most part. Its a shame as I thought he had a fantastic game previously.

 

[SwedishFish]

Don´t you waste time mate, I am sure his whole family is here advocating him A-man included - probably his dad. Or maybe it´s just a Swedish thing to be so patriotic who knows. After all after Zlatan excluded they barely had a player in a top club since Larson or Ljunberg, so they might be a bit desperate..

We know Vic is not good enough after 4 long years of so many costly mistakes, also when he doesn´t shouldn´t be considered as great performance like I can read here sometimes. We need a simply tier higher. Looking at the premier league there is a lot of players more talented than him now. No idea why we end up with him but sometimes it´s like that with scouting, you will neverknow when you don´t try that player. Hardly we have enough money like City to buy three defenders every year for the money they do and very rarely we spend as much money on a guaranteed quality likefor Maguire.

Let´s hope we have a budget dedicated for this spot. Then people will see a huge difference like they see know with 34 year old proper no9 Cavani at the tip.

Coming from someone from the Czech Republic

What players at CB specifically do you think are better?

 

[Andycoleno9]

Don´t you waste time mate, I am sure his whole family is here advocating him A-man included - probably his dad. Or maybe it´s just a Swedish thing to be so patriotic who knows. After all after Zlatan excluded they barely had a player in a top club since Larson or Ljunberg, so they might be a bit desperate..

We know Vic is not good enough after 4 long years of so many costly mistakes, also when he doesn´t shouldn´t be considered as great performance like I can read here sometimes. We need a simply tier higher. Looking at the premier league there is a lot of players more talented than him now. No idea why we end up with him but sometimes it´s like that with scouting, you will neverknow when you don´t try that player. Hardly we have enough money like City to buy three defenders every year for the money they do and very rarely we spend as much money on a guaranteed quality likefor Maguire.

Let´s hope we have a budget dedicated for this spot. Then people will see a huge difference like they see know with 34 year old proper no9 Cavani at the tip.

First of all, that is a cheap shot. And can you please give a list of more talented defenders in PL? And list all those many costly mistakes?

 

[ivaldo]

To be honest those stats tells both sides of the story, he's not bad in the air but he doesn't go for many because he's not good in the air. Made worse by the fact our RB isn't much good at them either. Lindelof would lose physical duels, even for high balls. It's an obvious weakness in his game.

His problem is he isn't so strong in other areas that he seems irreplaceable. Harry is so strong in some areas that his lack of acceleration can be sort of ignored.

I quite like him and he's getting better but he needs to.

I don't actually think we need a new CB with Henderson as our GK, if we get a better CDM, which I would prefer. Unlike many, I think our CB pair could win us the league.

You did come across very defensive though

If that's true, do you not think it's incredibly remarkable that teams are either unable or unwilling to target that weakness? So often this season, he has been up against fast or strong or aerially dominant forwards, and he almost invariably comes out on top.

 

[A-man]

I think people use the term “mistake” for basically anything leading to a chance conceded. For me a mistake is something the player can do 100 times without failure but then the 101st time he fails. It’s not missing a header because of poor positioning. It’s not loosing possession when trying to dribble or pass out of his own box. That is poor decision making. Unless a player misses a so simple pass that even a kid could make it. Missing a tackle is not a mistake, it is poor execution or poor decision making. Being dribbled is not a mistake, it’s poor skills. A mistake is when you fail something everybody incl yourself expect you to execute successfully every time.


If one believes Lindelof could clear that ball vs Spurs 99 times out of 100 then it’s a mistake. If only 1 out of 5 I would call it poor execution, poor movement or something else.

Some of DDG’s howlers last season were mistakes imo.

To minimise the risk for a mistake, the best way is to remove the opportunity for it to happen. Don’t make risky passes in your own box even if you are 100% sure you can make it. But some mistakes will always happen.

 

[Adam-Utd]

I think people use the term “mistake” for basically anything leading to a chance conceded. For me a mistake is something the player can do 100 times without failure but then the 101st time he fails. It’s not missing a header because of poor positioning. It’s not loosing possession when trying to dribble or pass out of his own box. That is poor decision making. Unless a player misses a so simple pass that even a kid could make it. Missing a tackle is not a mistake, it is poor execution or poor decision making. Being dribbled is not a mistake, it’s poor skills. A mistake is when you fail something everybody incl yourself expect you to execute successfully every time.


If one believes Lindelof could clear that ball vs Spurs 99 times out of 100 then it’s a mistake. If only 1 out of 5 I would call it poor execution, poor movement or something else.

Some of DDG’s howlers last season were mistakes imo.

To minimise the risk for a mistake, the best way is to remove the opportunity for it to happen. Don’t make risky passes in your own box even if you are 100% sure you can make it. But some mistakes will always happen.

You're definitely reaching there. All he has to do is plant his leg and it'll deflect away, but instead he tries to kick it and it ends up going under his leg as he mistimes it.

It's obviously not his worst mistake of the season, but it's still something that could have been done better.

 

[A-man]

You're definitely reaching there. All he has to do is plant his leg and it'll deflect away, but instead he tries to kick it and it ends up going under his leg as he mistimes it.

It's obviously not his worst mistake of the season, but it's still something that could have been done better.

I never said it wasn’t a mistake. But what I said was: If you believe he has the skills to do it every time but somehow failed anyway, then it’s a mistake. If you think he failed because of lack of skills, then it was not a mistake.

I personally think he should have made that clearance but I’ve seen plenty of others, both forum members and also a journalist saying it was a tricky move because he had to twist his body.

Edit: a question to you. When Aurier got past Maguire in the box, was that a mistake by Maguire or just a poor effort?

 

[Adam-Utd]

I never said it wasn’t a mistake. But what I said was: If you believe he has the skills to do it every time but somehow failed anyway, then it’s a mistake. If you think he failed because of lack of skills, then it was not a mistake.

I personally think he should have made that clearance but I’ve seen plenty of others, both forum members and also a journalist saying it was a tricky move because he had to twist his body.

Edit: a question to you. When Aurier got past Maguire in the box, was that a mistake by Maguire or just a poor effort?

Just good skill by Aurier.

Maguire moves into position where he thinks the ball will land and it narrowly goes over Shaws head, then he does a great acrobatic flick which knocks it inside Maguire.

Things like that can't really be predicted and you can't stop every attacking move - but you can mistime headers, miskick with your feet etc.

 

[A-man]

Just good skill by Aurier.

Maguire moves into position where he thinks the ball will land and it narrowly goes over Shaws head, then he does a great acrobatic flick which knocks it inside Maguire.

Things like that can't really be predicted and you can't stop every attacking move - but you can mistime headers, miskick with your feet etc.

Agree it was a great move a even though I think it was a little poor by Maguire maybe, however no big complaints there as Aurier did really well and unexpected. .

 

[Foxbatt]

But Rashford also let Son run past him and did not even bother to run except wave his arms about. It was not just one person but a few players making mistakes. Lindelof could not get his feet sorted out.

 

[RUCK4444]

Shocking for Son's goal. Rashford lost the run of the player but the defender can't be missing the ball like that, I've seen some stating it was an awkward one, not really, enough so that he would struggle to direct the ball but he should have gotten a connection at least and that would have likely been enough.

 

[Ekeke]

For me its a clear and poor mistake, but one we can expect not to see very often from Lindelof as I think usually he would have adjusted his feet and dealt with it better in the first place. His positioning is completely fine. Looking at it before I thought Lindelof had time to respond after the mistake and get into a deeper position to help defend the pass across but he really doesn't at all. Its just sorting his feet out and reacting in time and I think usually that isnt one of his issues so I wouldnt expect to see it again.

 

[Red00012]

He hasn’t fecked up in a while .

he was due one, hopefully he’s done with it for the rest of the season

 

[SwedishFish]

Shocking for Son's goal. Rashford lost the run of the player but the defender can't be missing the ball like that, I've seen some stating it was an awkward one, not really, enough so that he would struggle to direct the ball but he should have gotten a connection at least and that would have likely been enough.

Bit of an exaggeration, he's off-balance at the moment it's being played in, although its a mistake by him it's a full defensive lapse by Lindelöf, Maguire, AWB and Rashford who let son have a completely free run in the box whilst Maguire is not being tight enough on Lucas Moura who provides the assist.

Here's how it all went down.

Ball played into Kane who spots Lucas being clear of his marker which should be Maguire, he acts quickly with a one touch pass into Moura.

Lindelöf who's already on his way thinks Kane will go for goal gets thrown off balance from Kane's quick thinking and doesn't have time to sort his feet out. Rashford has let Son run into a pocket of free space on the far side of the box.

Maguire spots Lucas having a free run into the box and makes a last-ditch effort to get to him in time but by now its already too late as Lucas have a clear view of Son being clear in the box as Rashford is ball watching.

Lucas threads an easy pass over to Son who can simply tap it in well clear of any defenders. Rashford is still high up the pitch and AWB is centered.


A brilliant passing move by Tottenham (they'd already strung together a beautiful number through the midfield) and some good quick thinking by Kane coupled with a rare loss of concentration in defense allows for an easy goal for Tottenham.

 

[RUCK4444]

Bit of an exaggeration, he's off-balance at the moment it's being played in, although its a mistake by him it's a full defensive lapse by Lindelöf, Maguire, AWB and Rashford who let son have a completely free run in the box whilst Maguire is not being tight enough on Lucas Moura who provides the assist.

Here's how it all went down.

Ball played into Kane who spots Lucas being clear of his marker which should be Maguire, he acts quickly with a one touch pass into Moura.

Lindelöf who's already on his way thinks Kane will go for goal gets thrown off balance from Kane's quick thinking and doesn't have time to sort his feet out. Rashford has let Son run into a pocket of free space on the far side of the box.

Maguire spots Lucas having a free run into the box and makes a last-ditch effort to get to him in time but by now its already too late as Lucas have a clear view of Son being clear in the box as Rashford is ball watching.

Lucas threads an easy pass over to Son who can simply tap it in well clear of any defenders. Rashford is still high up the pitch and AWB is centered.


A brilliant passing move by Tottenham (they'd already strung together a beautiful number through the midfield) and some good quick thinking by Kane coupled with a rare loss of concentration in defense allows for an easy goal for Tottenham.

I’m not saying he’s solely to blame for the goal. What I’m saying is his mistake is the chief mistake. He’s got to get something, any sort of touch on the ball.

 

[SwedishFish]

I’m not saying he’s solely to blame for the goal. What I’m saying is his mistake is the chief mistake. He’s got to get something, any sort of touch on the ball.

I know and like I said in my post I agree that he made a mistake, but I think shocking is a tad bit harsh if you look at the situation

The marking was very sloppy, but there are of course reasons for that too, Rashford playing injured and emotions running high after the VAR situation.

 

[RUCK4444]

I know and like I said in my post I agree that he made a mistake, but I think shocking is a tad bit harsh if you look at the situation

The marking was very sloppy, but there are of course reasons for that too, Rashford playing injured and emotions running high after the VAR situation.

Are you sure your not letting the fact he’s Swedish sway your thinking?

I agree the goal in general is a poor passage of play from us as a team, just don’t think that really has any baring on the fact it’s a bit of a howler from Victor. I mean he just jumps and gets himself in a right mess

I’ll forgive him though because it made scoring three goals and ruining Mourinho’s day even sweeter.

 

[He'sRaldo]

I’ll forgive him though because it made scoring three goals and ruining Mourinho’s day even sweeter.

Aye, this has definitely coloured the view of that mistake. If that was peak Mourinho and he shithoused a 1-0 victory out of that goal, I reckon Lindelof's mistake would be seen in a much different light.

With the talk of our defenders being solid, I don't see that at all seeing how we basically concede first every single game. It's not all Lindelof's fault but we can't be saying we have solid defenders with the defensive showing we've put on this season.

Re individual CB's, there's not that much between Victor and Harry so ideally one of them should make way for a better CB next season.

 

[Foxbatt]

I am not Swedish but long before the goal I felt that it could be dangerous for us the moment Son started sprinting. Son was behind Rashford and he let him just run past him. Should Lindelof have cleared it? Yes. I think he could not get his feet sorted out but it is a team game and if Rashford had stayed with Son , he would not have scored. For that even AWB stopped running when the ball was played to Moura.

 

[A-man]

With the talk of our defenders being solid, I don't see that at all seeing how we basically concede first every single game. It's not all Lindelof's fault but we can't be saying we have solid defenders with the defensive showing we've put on this season.

The reason our defence is considered solid is based on results.

We have conceded more than 1 goal in 1 of our last 15 matches.

We have conceded more than 1 goal in 2 of our last 17 PL games.

If that’s not a solid defence, I don’t know what’s a solid defence.

 

[SwedishFish]

Are you sure your not letting the fact he’s Swedish sway your thinking?

I agree the goal in general is a poor passage of play from us as a team, just don’t think that really has any baring on the fact it’s a bit of a howler from Victor. I mean he just jumps and gets himself in a right mess

I’ll forgive him though because it made scoring three goals and ruining Mourinho’s day even sweeter.

It is a howler for sure, think it's a bit comparable to the other incident when Maguire gets shifted off-balance by Aurier in the second half where Lindelöf blocks his shot.

If we were more focused as a unit one defensive mistake wouldn't lead to that goal being scored is my point

 

[RUCK4444]

It is a howler for sure, think it's a bit comparable to the other incident when Maguire gets shifted off-balance by Aurier in the second half where Lindelöf blocks his shot.

If we were more focused as a unit one defensive mistake wouldn't lead to that goal being scored is my point

Yeah I can agree with that. A messy goal all round to concede.

 

[Raven]

There were articles on Lindelofs mistakes at the start of the season.

They've both grown to the point I'm not desperate for a starting CB now. I mean look at Stones turnaround.

I actually missed the Palace game where I heard he had a bit of a mare but I don't remember any particularly bad games from him. Maybe you could provide one or 2 of these articles?

 

[thepolice123]

Yeah I can agree with that. A messy goal all round to concede.

If you watch it carefully, Kane actually fecked up the pass by playing it right at Lindelof. Despite all that we still managed to find a way to let them score.

If he got it right to Lucas’ feet, both AWB and Maguire would still be out of position. The result would still be a simple low cross for Son to tap in.

 

[SwedishFish]

If you watch it carefully, Kane actually fecked up the pass by playing it right at Lindelof. Despite all that we still managed to find a way to let them score.

If he got it right to Lucas’ feet, both AWB and Maguire would still be out of position. The result would still be a simple low cross for Son to tap in.

Very much disagree that Kane fecked up the pass. He hits it first time into space which catches Lindelöf by surprise as he's well on the way to cover a potential shot with perfect weight on it for Lucas to be able to get there and not run out. It's very nicely done by Kane. Credit where its due.

 

[thepolice123]

Very much disagree that Kane fecked up the pass. He hits it first time into space which catches Lindelöf by surprise as he's well on the way to cover a potential shot with perfect weight on it for Lucas to be able to get there and not run out. It's very nicely done by Kane. Credit where its due.

Kane’s body was opened up at angle to make the pass even before the receiving the ball. He telegraphed it completely. It took an error from Lindelof for the ball to reach Lucas when it could have been a much easier pass. Personally, I think it was a bad pass made to look good by a error.

 

[SwedishFish]

Kane’s body was opened up at angle to make the pass even before the receiving the ball. He telegraphed it completely. It took an error from Lindelof for the ball to reach Lucas when it could have been a much easier pass. Personally, I think it was a bad pass made to look good by a error.

A bad pass would've been if it had fallen behind Lucas. A pass into space that catches defense by surprise is not a bad pass.

 

[Berbasbullet]

Played well tonight

 

[ivaldo]

Played well tonight

Was poor in the half an hour but decent thereafter.

 

[Devil may care]

Dodgy start but settled into the game fine after that.

 

[A-man]

Had one poor moment in first half, but also cleared away everything they had in the first 15 minutes. Solid and calm in second half, but not so much to do. It was really another day at the office for him.

 

[Dec9003]

I thought he did pretty well today, especially with Wood playing down his side, didn’t beat him very often I felt.

 

[Djemba-Djemba]

Thought he was poor