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Vardy/Kane to replace Rooney in the summer?
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Yeah Real and Barca are watching Jamie fecking Vardy jesus. The papers don't even try these days.
The whole idea of Vardy at either club is absurd, Ronaldo, Messi, Bale, Neymar, Vardy, Suarez, Benzema. A sore thumb sticking out if ever there was one.
He's an average player in his late 20's having a run of form, 6-12 months from now he will be bang average again and looking for a move to west ham or Sunderland.
He's a cnut, and a thug...
He looks like a cnut, he acts like a cnut and he is a cnut.
cnut.
He looks like a cnut, he acts like a cnut and he is a cnut.
cnut.
I don't know why but I find this hilarious.
I think I'll chop my cock off if he breaks the record against us.
I think Martial should lead the line so we should be looking at either a #10 to replace Rooney or a RW and play Mata in #10.
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO Thank you to Jamie Vardy. He is on a good run of form and Leicester's style of pay suit him. He is not good enough for Manchester United. Harry Kane possibly.
Vardy is and will never be nowhere near good enough for United, Kane on the other hand I would take in a heartbeat he would be a near perfect fit for our current system.
Pretty much. Though I think everyone knows it too, tbf. He's the new Kevin Phillips or James Beattie. He's in a rich vein but nowhere near close to the top level. You can tell by today's game alone. Even that run at the end that was fawned over by the commentators was actually pretty scruffy. He never looked in control of the ball, took several heavy touches unchallenged and ended up making the wrong decision in a 3 on 1. Everything about it screamed form > quality.
Not to take anything away from him though. To equal Ruud's record is a pretty fantastic achievement.
There is a lot of stigma, around Vardy. If he didn't have this chavish labelling on him, perhaps a year younger, lot of people on here would be desperate to get him.
People should just accept he cleary a good player and offers more than Bettie or Philips, as he is often compared to. He the quickest player in the league afterall and has a incredible work rate and is on the verge of breaking a pretty special record
People should just accept he cleary a good player and offers more than Bettie or Philips, as he is often compared to. He the quickest player in the league afterall and has a incredible work rate and is on the verge of breaking a pretty special record
Nah, Vardy is the beneficiary of a great set of circumstances that he wouldn't be able to replicate at any other club.
Good player, definitely, but not made for the top level.
Good player, definitely, but not made for the top level.
there's not a chance he's the quickest player in the league.
People are comparing him to philips because philips scored 30 goals in a year before. Philips was an absolutely incredible finisher, like top drawer, but the sum of his parts wasn't good enough to be a top player, and time showed that he couldn't keep up that rate.
IF vardy in 3 years is still getting in the top 3-4 goal scorers in the league then people will be proved wrong, it's possible too
http://www.skysports.com/football/n...-player-premier-league-tracking-data-tells-us
Yes, Philips was a great finisher, but also had glaring defectives to his game to play for a top team.
I am not saying Vardy is capable, but if he continues to the the end of the season scoring as freely as he has been doing, he will be worthy enough for a consistent top 6 team.
And he has proven many people wrong already, he does not need to be scoring 20 goals per season for 3-4 years. Many people of here labelled him a non league player punching above his weight.
People just cant give him his dues, he was a non league player, who has and would have worked incredibly hard to get where is now, its commendable more than anything.
Anyone playing that level or near, on here, can only dream of such a thing.
I suspected you were quoting one of these studies, last season wasn't it rooney or wasn't he the second fastest? There is something strange about those things. Read recently that bellerin can run 40m faster than Bolt on the track. Seems so awkward to think that rooney was faster than that player last season
Nope. Kane is still a very limited player, great at some things but bad enough at others that top level defenders will be able to shut him out of games without too much trouble. He's back in form for Spurs but his poor recent showings for England demonstrate that those serious flaws are still there.
I've seen less of Vardy so couldn't be quite so sure, but he looks too much of a kick and rush merchant with great finishing. That shouldn't be enough for United under any circumstances - not given what we'd have to pay to get him at the moment - and it certainly makes him a no-no under Van Gaal. What's he going to do with no space to run into, no quick direct balls down the channels, his back to goal all day long?
I've seen less of Vardy so couldn't be quite so sure, but he looks too much of a kick and rush merchant with great finishing. That shouldn't be enough for United under any circumstances - not given what we'd have to pay to get him at the moment - and it certainly makes him a no-no under Van Gaal. What's he going to do with no space to run into, no quick direct balls down the channels, his back to goal all day long?
Will be at Liverpool by September.... Count on it
Not Vardy, but KAne yes. I bet his "dry season" is passing any time soon and sooner or later he will come back. All great players have some "down time", but he has great potential and is not really old either.
As opposed to what? something i created in my mind what else is there?
Regarding Bolt and Bellerin, why is that even so hard to believe, Bolt is renowned for being very slow out of the blocks, anyway, that measurement is from bolt starting position to Bellerins standing, not accurate.
It's already passed. I think Kane has scored in his last 5 league games.
What are these "serious flaws"?
Kane contributes a lot to all round play even when not scoring. And he's more scored league goals than any other Prem striker during calendar year 2015 to date. How do you square this with calling him "a very limited player"?
He's strong, he's a great finisher and can score all different sorts of goals, he's technically sound, can hold up the ball and he has decent vision in terms of putting other people through. He's slow, has poor acceleration and poor agility, lacks dynamism and doesn't do much work off the ball. His work rate is poor and he doesn't make anywhere near enough runs in behind, lacking the pace to escape his CB unless the assister does all the work. These are the flaws that caused his recent goal drought (and have made him poor in recent England games). Often at Spurs they are masked by Eriksen's quality as an assister, finding gaps for Kane to shoot from when Kane isn't doing the work to make them himself. But he's already enough of a known quantity that he'll never score as many in a season as he did last season, and as defenders clock onto his lack of pace and acceleration they'll work out how to neutralise him. I've seen plenty do it already. He'll probably be a 20-goal-a-season man for his entire career, and I'd take him for £30-35m, but we'd be made to pay £45-50m and for that money we could get someone better and more suitable.
None of this means he's a bad player. Almost every striker in the world has weaknesses, obviously. But pace, acceleration and running are bad qualities to be missing together because they're the hardest for defenders to handle, even experienced defenders who know all about you. Aguero, as an example, is pretty much the complete striker, with no significant weaknesses. He's strong and skilful and clinical, but it's his pace and explosiveness that make him a world-class striker rather than just a great one.
I'll agree about poor acceleration, though I'm not sure what "poor agility" means - do have you have an example to illustrate?
But I don't agree that he's slow ... medium paced would be closer to the mark. And I strongly don't agree with your suggestion of poor work rate and not doing much off the ball: Kane's work rate is amongst the highest in the Prem - when Spurs don't have the ball he's always closing down players and contributing to the press.
Kane also has some qualities you've not mentioned - e.g. he's surprisingly good at dribbling and carrying the ball forward and past players, despite his lack of accelration
Defenders have had a whole season to try and work out how to stop him and they still haven't been able to do it. In fact Kane has scored more league goals (8) so far this season than he had at the same stage last season, so it's a bold claim on your part to say "he'll never score as many in a season as he did last season."
It's not worth discussing this in terms of price for United, because the option doesn't exist and won't exist in the summer.
This is like when someone on here described Bale as "slow."
I don't think Kane has any real weakness. He's not the fastest, but neither is Muller and he's one of the best in the world.
Kane reminds me of Teddy Sheringham. Out of the youngish forwards kicking about today, I'd probably have him with Martial ahead of anyone if we were to sign someone.
Kane reminds me of Teddy Sheringham. Out of the youngish forwards kicking about today, I'd probably have him with Martial ahead of anyone if we were to sign someone.
Have to wait to reserve judgement till the end of the current season on both of the players, especially Vardy. Both are looking top class currently.
I just get the impression anyone who buys vardy in the summer is going to regret it. dont get me wrong he's in a beautiful patch of form and he's proving himself a real threat this season. Its probably his off the field character thats putting me off, but i just think at 28 he's just not somebody we should be looking at considering he would end up costing a small fortune.
Kane on the other hand is a real gem.
Kane on the other hand is a real gem.
I can't claim to have seen much of Vardy, but I don't think it's as simple as him being on a good run of form. I think it's forgotten then he was called up for England last season, when he only scored 5 goals. No matter what anyone says about Hodgson, it would be odd to call up an unfancied player from Leicester, who wasn't scoring many, unless he really had something to his game. Everyone is going on about his run of form in front of goal, but he must have been playing pretty damn well to get a call up at 28 years old, having scored just 5. There has to be more to him than most are making out. It's not like he's some youngster, with great potential that Roy wanted to blood into the England set up. In the little I've seen of him, his playing style reminds me a bit of Craig Bellamy, who I always thought was top class. I've seen Vardy compared to the likes of Kevin Phillips, but Vardy has got skill and pace, so I don't see the comparison. When a players only attribute is a goal scoring knack there is always the worry it could be a flukey run, but Vardy was obviously doing something that was getting the attention of national team set up before he started scoring.
Everything about the way Kane plays rubs me the wrong way. Spirited, grafting and graceless. Tall but not much better than average in the air. Little finesse in his stride, dribble or shots but he bundles all through with uncanny efficiency all the same. He's the sort that will stick around for sure.
Vardy is definitely a Klopp type of player. These two would be a lethal combination.
For United I'd rather have Benzema.
Martial has far more technical ability and potential than either of them. We need a world class inside forward so we can play Martial through the middle, and we need to buy back up to Martial. We do not need to buy the best of Britain with the usual inflated price tag. Spurs would want more than 50 million for Kane, and he simply isn't that calibre of player.
Go all in on Bale. Ddg Darmian Smalling Jones Shaw Herrera Schneiderlin Memphis Bale Rooney Martial. British core and a team that can win us trophies over and over again
Vardy deserves his dues, as he's clearly a very good player who's got to where he is through sheer determination and hard graft, but there's also clearly talent there as you don't go and equal a Premier League record like RvN's if you're a severely, limited player. That said, he's encountered an extremely good purple patch and his performance level will soon drop and return to normality. He's nowhere near good enough for us.
On the other hand, Kane is an excellent striker and truly in the Shearer mould. He's already established himself as one of the leading strikers in the Premier League at just twenty-two with plenty of upturn aswell. We should definitely be in for him in the summer, as one of our prime striker targets and I don't go along with the notion of his signing being a hindrance to Martial. I reckon he would serve as the perfect foil and I feel like a marquee forward is required.
As for Rooney, I don't understand why the signing of a striker will spell the end for his United career. I'm not exactly a big fan, but I still - perhaps naively - believe he can have a role to play. It's going to be difficult to offsale him, because of his wages anyway, but if he's willing to accept a reduced role, I wouldn't mind him taking a squad role. I hope come the end of the season, he acknowledges he's not the force he once was and that he simply can't command a first team place anymore.
On the other hand, Kane is an excellent striker and truly in the Shearer mould. He's already established himself as one of the leading strikers in the Premier League at just twenty-two with plenty of upturn aswell. We should definitely be in for him in the summer, as one of our prime striker targets and I don't go along with the notion of his signing being a hindrance to Martial. I reckon he would serve as the perfect foil and I feel like a marquee forward is required.
As for Rooney, I don't understand why the signing of a striker will spell the end for his United career. I'm not exactly a big fan, but I still - perhaps naively - believe he can have a role to play. It's going to be difficult to offsale him, because of his wages anyway, but if he's willing to accept a reduced role, I wouldn't mind him taking a squad role. I hope come the end of the season, he acknowledges he's not the force he once was and that he simply can't command a first team place anymore.
We won't get Bale, and I think he's probably the most overrated player in the world.
Suggesting we sign Vardy is one of the most ludicrous things I've heard on this forum.
Kane is the real deal though, very good player. Probably take a crazy bid to get him though.
Kane is the real deal though, very good player. Probably take a crazy bid to get him though.
vardy is having his purple patch and while credit to him, the way he rose to the top, the only answer to this question is harry kane.
going to cost us 50million (simply because it is spurs we are dealing with + being english) but this boy got goals in him.
martial + kane could be a very very very deadly combo.
going to cost us 50million (simply because it is spurs we are dealing with + being english) but this boy got goals in him.
martial + kane could be a very very very deadly combo.
To be honest I don't think either of them would be a great option. Martial is being primed to be out first choice number 9, so buying Kane would mean either Martial playing wide left for the next decade; or Martial stays as a number 9 and we have Kane behind, who in all honesty would be a mediocre number 10 (and the days of 2 out and out strikers are pretty much gone I'd say). Vardy could probably play out wide but my belief is it's the stars aligning more than any genuine great quality that's the result of his current run; Spurs, Everton or Liverpool should be in for him.
Not to mention that Kane would cost us over £60m and that's if he kicked up a big enough fuss to force their hand, which given that he has a contract until 2020 and seems happy enough I can't see it. His quality/potential to value ratio would be really poor, when you could get superior players whom Kane is unlikely ever to reach their current level. I'd say there would be several better options; Reus/Griezmann/Koke for instance, likewise Isco if Madrid break the bank for someone this Summer and need to balance the books.
Not to mention that Kane would cost us over £60m and that's if he kicked up a big enough fuss to force their hand, which given that he has a contract until 2020 and seems happy enough I can't see it. His quality/potential to value ratio would be really poor, when you could get superior players whom Kane is unlikely ever to reach their current level. I'd say there would be several better options; Reus/Griezmann/Koke for instance, likewise Isco if Madrid break the bank for someone this Summer and need to balance the books.
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If Vardy did play at MUFC, would his style of play (ie. passion/power/pace/grit/determination, as opposed to technical ability) work within LVG's system?
Vardy & Leicester attack with speed and directness, while LVG prefers the slow build-up, scoring a goal after 44 passes.
Ironically, I think under Fergie, Vardy would've been the ideal player, who would've slotted right into our team with his 'never-say-die' mentality.
Kane has more technical ability and is used to the possession style of football, which is what Spurs play. So he would be more suited to us. The cost would be significant, though.
Vardy & Leicester attack with speed and directness, while LVG prefers the slow build-up, scoring a goal after 44 passes.
Ironically, I think under Fergie, Vardy would've been the ideal player, who would've slotted right into our team with his 'never-say-die' mentality.
Kane has more technical ability and is used to the possession style of football, which is what Spurs play. So he would be more suited to us. The cost would be significant, though.