I've stuck you on the end of this Glaston as you are very certain that Kane will never leave. Is the general view that he's the Shearer type even in the modern game? Where basically he'll accept never winning a PL or CL medal in return for being a home club legend with a chip shop or bar named after him when he's 40?
Vardy/Kane to replace Rooney in the summer?
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I've stuck you on the end of this Glaston as you are very certain that Kane will never leave. Is the general view that he's the Shearer type even in the modern game? Where basically he'll accept never winning a PL or CL medal in return for being a home club legend with a chip shop or bar named after him when he's 40?
I don't think if we got Kane or indeed get Lukaku that we'd play with two strikers, Martial would play the role Neymar has for Barca in a front 3.
And where would we put Neymar then?
On the bench with Muller.
I haven't said that Kane will never leave. I'm just of the clear view that - if he does eventually leave - it won't be for a while yet and certainly not in the summer.
Nor does he yet have to accept that he'll never win a major trophy with Spurs. You may not have noticed, but we're only 4 points off top spot and only the current top team have a better GD. So let's see how this season plays out and whether CL football is there for Spurs next season.
The thing is if he is intending to leave you'd think his agent and himself would realize that within the next 2 seasons, in the modern era, he's heading into his 5 prime earning years and they'd want to capitalize.
I have noticed where Spurs are in the table but I'm confident they'll never win a PL or CL unless they get a major investor, just as I don't think Arsenal will win another PL title while Wenger is there and we wont win one as long as Rooney is here, longer if we appoint Giggs as LvG's successor.
So, thanks to better GD, is it effectively 3 points or we're not in that phase of the season when glastonmathics apply?
Only Kane will last. Kane would be a terrific buy. I don't see Vardy being worthy beyond this season. He doesn't have the appropriate psychological profile to stay up for a long time. He's a Fury, not a Klitschko if i may.
You talk as if GD is irrelevant, but you'll doubtless change your tune if the points spread across the top 6 continues to narrow.
What makes you think that? He seems to have all the traits that you'd want as a striker. Speed, composure, confidence and scores goals in the Premier league.
Wayne needs a walking Kane out of OT this summer.
Fair response, Glaston.
He may never leave but I would say that would.only be if he doesn't turn out to be extremely good. If he does, I would expect him to be off in two years max.
Primarily for financial reasons. Trophy aspirations secondary.
I really think we will be chasing him this summer and I am certain we will turn his head with the wages we will offer. Woody does not mess around.
I dare say it will take a Bale type fee to get him.
It'll be a bigger failure than the AdM deal if that's the case.
Why the feck would we buy Vardy who's the same age as Rooney?
He might also mess up his big club move if his form dips over the next season and a half staying at Tottenham. It is always a risk.
I'd keep an eye on Lukaku, really, if Everton don't get into the European spots (read:EU monies) then you're far more likely to tempt them with a large bid than Levy, plus Lukaku seems to be one who'd kick up a fuss to get a move, rather than Kane at present.
He has one attribute that Kane lacks, which for me is Lukaku can offer a real powerful presence leading the line (ala ye old Mark Hughes), which isn't especially needed in todays football climate, granted, but when you're up against it as a a team, it's not a bad thing to have a powerful no.9, even if it's just with shitty 50/50 type balls flung over the top to take advantage of his strong running.
He has one attribute that Kane lacks, which for me is Lukaku can offer a real powerful presence leading the line (ala ye old Mark Hughes), which isn't especially needed in todays football climate, granted, but when you're up against it as a a team, it's not a bad thing to have a powerful no.9, even if it's just with shitty 50/50 type balls flung over the top to take advantage of his strong running.
Strikes me as silly to say Kane will never win anything if he stays at Spurs. Maybe he's that rare player that actually wants to lift his team up the table instead of jumping ship at the first opportunity. He's got a long career ahead of him and the league is becoming more wide open every year. If they had held onto the rest of the stars they developed in the last few years they would be a frightening team.
Obviously, i can't but my finger on it, as it's just a hunch. Yeah, he is doing great at the moment. But i just don't see him maintaining that level. Look what happened to Michu.
The game is always in a state of flux, clubs rise and fall. Sure Spurs haven't won the league in 50 years, but neither had Manchester City. It was the same with Chelsea
Spurs have all the ingredients to be bigger than both of these clubs, the new 61,000 seat stadium will move them to the top tier of the game.
We shouldn't be complacent and think the current "CL Clubs" are fixed in stone. They aren't, in fact the only constant is change. Kane may well decide to stay.
Spurs have all the ingredients to be bigger than both of these clubs, the new 61,000 seat stadium will move them to the top tier of the game.
We shouldn't be complacent and think the current "CL Clubs" are fixed in stone. They aren't, in fact the only constant is change. Kane may well decide to stay.
But they didn't and they never looked like keeping them.
Unless Spurs start to pay top bracket wages they will never retain any top class players they develop.
The big boys pay £250-300k a week to their stars. Spurs pay something like £80k to theirs.
They could win all the trophies every season but no one is staying and earning a third to half of what they can make elsewhere. And that's before sponsorship deals are factored in.
It is as simple as that.
The new Spurs stadium complex, when completed, will boost Spurs' income very significantly, which in turn will allow the paying of higher wages. The income from Spurs home games should be around 75% higher (including taking into account corporate boxes), and then there'll be all the extra income from stadium entertainments-events (of which there could be several each week), NFL games, the hotel, the houses, extreme sports centre etc etc etc. And with this will also come improved sponsorship deals, not least the sale of stadium naming rights.
But in any case, Berbatov was the last player (of those we wanted to keep) sold to a Prem rival .... and that was a long time ago now.
It's a long time since you had a player that a decent club in the league actually wanted..Usually quite a few years inbetween. If Keane delivers this season, he'll move on.
So Modric and Bale weren't players "that a decent club in the league actually wanted"?
Madrid threw Tottenham a bone with Modric, and Bale to a lesser extent. They'd both have forced moves to another English club otherwise.
They better hope Madrid are interested if/when Kane and any others start attracting real interest.
They better hope Madrid are interested if/when Kane and any others start attracting real interest.
Maybe Kane. Not Vardy. Lukaku looking good as well.
Well. Since 2006 it's been Carrick, Berbatov, Modric and Bale (In fairness, with Bale quite a few wanted him before he joined Spurs).
As i said..
A Spurs player reaches a certain level where he has proved himself -> fecks off to better club for a tidy profit on Spurs behalf.
Your originally said that "It's a long time since you had a player that a decent club in the league actually wanted", yet Bale's sale to RM was hardly a long time ago.
Pretty much every club sells their star players from time to time. You sold Ronaldo ... and that's just one example of a United star player who wanted out.
As for "decent club in the league", Spurs are already that and more.
It's roughly 3 years ago Bale reached a good enough level for the top clubs to be interested enough to bid, he was then sold to Real Madrid the following summer (2013). I'd say 3 years ago is a long time, but that's hardly important.
Top clubs rarely sell star players at their peak. It happens, but very rarely.
Spurs are Spurs.
Welcome to the Europa League btw. If you're lucky enough to make it through the next round, then you may be unlucky enough to be drawn against us.
So you're making fun of the Europa League? The competition that is Tottenham's level.
Seeing as you've just been dumped out of one of easiest CL groups, you don't think it's United level?
I take it you agreed with the rest then
Not at all. You said that "Top clubs rarely sell star players at their peak. It happens, but very rarely".
I've already mentioned Ronaldo, but it also happened with Beckham and would have happened with your current best player - de Gea - if not for messed up paperwork.
Ronaldo always wanted to go to Real. De Gea it was his partner who wanted him to move and he may well move this summer.
Becks fell out with Fergie.
Becks fell out with Fergie.
It didn't happen with Beckham, Fergie was tired of the media circus surrounding him and his life outside of the club. We did our best to offload him to Barcelona..
It's what, 7 years since we sold Ronaldo, we almost lost De Gea this summer. So 7 years. Yup, that's not very rarely at all.
2 players and an almost? That is very rare still. Two and return iberian so it's not surprising they would want to head home. One was forced out.
Oh so when Chelsea won the Champions League, they were the best team in Europe. I look at the bigger picture which shows United making top 4 season after season bar one. Then there Tottenham who cant get near the Champions League.
Let me repeat the question (seeing as you haven't answered it): don't you think that the EL is United's current level?
As for Spurs, in our first CL outing we did pretty well as I recall.
Seeing as though we are ravaged by injuries, I don't think it is our current level. You keep thinking back to that campaign. Ye won't be back in it anytime soon.
You've been dumped into the EL, from an easy CL group, but you don't think it's your current level? I call it denial.
As for Spurs not being in the CL again anytime soon, if we win tomorrow we climb into the top 4.