I would agree if it was just occasional mistakes.
The referees are barely fit for purpose with VAR, nevermind without it. The standard is shockingly poor at the minute.
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The referees are barely fit for purpose with VAR, nevermind without it. The standard is shockingly poor at the minute.
Why is it a bizarre take? The reason VAR is deemed so badly is poor implementation and over analysis by the media. I think people forget just how bad it was before AND the cries for VAR.
It’s a bizarre take because we just got to enjoy an injury time winner in the moment it happened. The most elemental pleasure in watching a football match and it’s an absolute disgrace how rarely it happens. If we’d had VAR tonight it would have ruined that moment, whether the goal was allowed or not.
It's why I'm still for VAR, despite all the controversy. This decision went our way so most of our fans won't care. But if Havertz scored his sitter after controlling the ball with his hand or if Odegaard scored from that penalty, we'd be rightfully pissed.
Use of VAR should be better, but no VAR would mean so many more mistakes from English referees.
Use of VAR should be better, but no VAR would mean so many more mistakes from English referees.
We’re going to pay for that offside goal for the rest of the season now. That’s the media’s talking point sorted for the next month.
I've obviously no way of proving it but I actually think the standard of on pitch officiating has worsened since the introduction of VAR. It's just a personal preference but I'd take an increase in mistakes for an increase in spontaneity and a decrease in standing about twiddling the thumbs.
We’ve been pissed off umpteen times this season in games which featured VAR. The idea that VAR somehow prevents fans from being pissed off about officials and their decisions is the biggest myth in football right now.
100%. And it stands to reason that VAR has made onfield officiating worse. They know that VAR will pick the bones out of any big decisions so are much more likely to lack the courage of their convictions.
Think most of the fans are pissed with VAR. Just saying it would've been even worse without it. VAR will be useless sometimes, but useful the other times. That's still better than relying solely on refs and onfield decisions.
Don't think it's the most elemental pleasure watching a football match at all. I would have enjoyed it far more if we played them off the park 5-0 than celebrating a non-goal that should have never counted.
We won.. great but the manner of winning is important too. If anything it's relief but I hardly see Amorim throwing a party too..
There’s a paradox with it now.
On field ref: “I’m not going to call that foul, VAR will overrule me if I’m wrong”
VAR referee: “Looks like a foul to me but it’s not stone wall, referees call”
He’s onside anyway.
Yeah, Rasmus was playing him on.
Yeah, very true.
That was the same lino who overturned a throw in he gave to us because the Leicester player complained to him about it about 15 minutes before. Absolutely terrible linesmen.
I think it’s tighter than the angle suggests (genuinely think people don’t understand we aren’t looking straight down the line from the TV point of view). But he’s surely off?!
Personally, that elemental pleasure evaporated the moment they've shown the replay and I've realized that we've scored an undeserved goal thanks for a monumental refereeing feck up. You keep projecting your own perception on everyone... saying that it's a bizarre take to not enjoy a football match being decided by a referee's incompetence just because you did.
Also, a VAR check doesn't stop the celebrations for 95% of goals. You just remember the remaining 5% way more vividly.
Jesus Christ, really?!? So weird. I don’t even think it is a monumental feck up. Look at the still images people are sharing. It’s actually an extremely close call. Not that I give a flying feck. It wasn’t flagged offside so it wasn’t offside. Which is how football has worked for hundreds of years, before this VAR nonsense was foisted on us.
Yep. I felt relieved that we've got away with it (the game, not the decision), but overall it was simply extremely frustrating. Because I do remember how it feels to be on the other side.
I don’t even think it is a monumental feck up. Look at the still images people are sharing. It’s actually an extremely close call. Not that I give a flying feck. It wasn’t flagged offside so it wasn’t offside. Which is how football has worked for hundreds of years, before this VAR nonsense was foisted on us.
And again — if people have different opinion than you, it's "bizarre takes" or "so weird". Nice.
well onside
I'm all for VAR if they implemented it correctly but winning a game with a goal that probably should have been ruled out is all the more enjoyable for me. I thought it was feckin hilarious.
This.
I don't recall a media outcry saying how we were robbed when Middlesbrough knocked us out with a ridiculous handball goal at Old Trafford a few years ago.
It's definitely personal preference. I don't think the standard has worsened, I was tearing my hair out pre VAR by the basic errors that were being made every week.
They're using it so badly that it isn't improving the decision making while also ruining other aspects so I do agree in it's current guise, it's a net loss.
I'd rather have VAR with competent people in charge than no VAR, but no VAR is better than referees being afraid to call out their colleagues on the pitch.
He looks slightly off but I think it’s the other players who are offside that are blocking the linesman’s view. It’s easy to see from the viewpoint of a camera above the pitch, however, I think a viewpoint from the linesman’s viewpoint where he’s on the level with players would make it less clear cut. Andy Gray used to slag off match officials with the benefit of slow motion and different camera shots from above the field of play, not ones where other players are blocking the view.
That’s said, Im pleased there was no VAR tonight.
Feels kind of novel to have a refereeing feck up work in our favour.
In my case, VAR's existence has stopped the immediate celebration of 100% of goals. I'm excited, and I'm hopeful a goal will stand, but I just don't let go and celebrate as enthusiastically as I used to. I'm sure age and maturity, and probably even our downfall play a role but I was more engaged and enjoyed football in general more before VAR.
Exactly this. The absence of VAR make these moments of pure joy and crazy celebrations possible. And it’s not like mistakes don’t happen with VAR, so all it does is ruining the watching experience.
This! 100%. You always hold back on the celebrations in case VAR will find an offside or some minor foul in the buildup.
Exactly. And to top it off, we lose that pleasure for a decision that is often still wrong. It's just madness.
If people want a stop-start sport devoid of joy, they should feck off to the NFL.
Quite simple minded don't you think, to not think one can experience joy in another way that you do?
VAR is far from perfect, but I find a lot more joy in watching games with it than without.
After all the crappy decisions that we have had against us. I'll take it and enjoy it.
only now there will be a media frenzy because it benefited us and we won't get another good decision all season.
He is nowhere near as far offside as people think. There is a Leicester defender hidden behind zirkzee. He probably is still offside just. But he's certainly not miles off.
I was very close to and it certainly didn't look offside from the other side.
I was very close to and it certainly didn't look offside from the other side.
is it really possible to bash football without VAR on a sample size of 1 game? We just take into account what we saw, but the real samplesize was just football before VAR was introduced, and it was more entertaining. (Also if there were big mistakes in refereeing).
There’s big mistakes with VAR too, its overall just not entertaining.
There’s big mistakes with VAR too, its overall just not entertaining.
We call them features
What is funny is that we do same thing that media do….We FINALLY get a decision our way and we all lose our minds over it..pages and pages. It should be acknowledged that it took no VAR for us to get a decision also. Seems var is there to ensure we get nothing undeserved
VAR did give us that one moment where Pep thought they scored an injury time winner, behaved like an insane Looney Tune whilst celebrating and then saw the goal overturned.
That has to count for something?
That has to count for something?
I agree. The refereeing could get worse but if it did it would stick out like dogs balls because it's pretty shambolic against us at the moment.
Funny how no VAR not mentioned when we got screwed by Havertz penalty and that foul on Bayindir vs Spurs. Media are such crooks.
Fans of every team in the league are convinced that they get way too many decisions against them. Every team.