VAR, Refs and Linesmen | General Discussion

Longshanks said:
That offside on garnacho felt like genuine corruption, late in game stops a possibly dangerous attack, hands possession back to Liverpool so they can get an attack going. Very questionable that one.

The penalty handball is just annoying really because we have seen similar not given, I mean Liverpool themselves didn't get the one against arsenal last season.

If there is one thing that VAR has made a complete mess off it's handball. It's more inconsistent now than it was pre VAR.
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I watched MOTD2 and in real time that's never going to be given and I don't think VAR should have intervened. Yes his hand is high, but he knows nothing about it, and it's hit at him from extremely close range.

If they're going to go the screen they really should also be shown these incidents in real time as well. In real time there's barely. gap between the sound of the ball being headed and the sound of the ball hitting the hand, such was the proximity. We've seen other incidents where there was greater distance between the players and the penalty wasn't given.

VAR didn't intervene, for example, when Oliver didn't give the Garnacho one where Romero's had both hands above his head last season and he was further away.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
That’s what I assumed had happened. I haven’t yet seen a conclusive replay. But I have it in for that linesman anyway, after he refused to flag when Robinson was pulling Amad’s arm off, a yard away from him. So he’s not getting any benefit of the doubt from me!
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That was so absurd I actually started laughing and then that twat Robinson goes nuts when the foul is eventually given, starts shouting at the ref and somehow gets away without a yellow for the foul or for dissent.
 
Withnail said:
He as apparently booked for over celebrating. Maybe they didn't show what he did on screen as I didn't notice anything out of the ordinary.
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There seemed to be something going on with the photographers right by where we were celebrating, they kind of got caught up in the whole thing and had to be dragged out rather than get trampled. I assumed at the time of the booking something had gone off / Amad was blamed as the goalscorer for causing that situation for them. A safety thing. That was the only reasonable explanation I could find, + Oliver.
 
I think it was mostly the linesman that was bad. The quick offside flag and not giving Amad the free kick earlier. Other than that I thought the reffing was fine. No complaints at the penalty and the situation earlier in the Liverpool box seems like a Hojlund handball first so no surprise that wasn't given.
 
CoopersDream said:
I think it was mostly the linesman that was bad. The quick offside flag and not giving Amad the free kick earlier. Other than that I thought the reffing was fine. No complaints at the penalty and the situation earlier in the Liverpool box seems like a Hojlund handball first so no surprise that wasn't given.
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I think the bigger issue really is when it's against United it gets reviewed immediately etc, and for a similar scenario on the other end there was no comments, replay or review.
How on earth Nunez was not sent off as well / no review at the very least is incredible.
But yeah, that linesman with two horrible / bias decisions, at least Oliver called for Robertson's hugging. Can't say for sure but don't see how Garnacho was even close to offside at the end there.
 
RepardReece said:
I think the bigger issue really is when it's against United it gets reviewed immediately etc, and for a similar scenario on the other end there was no comments, replay or review.
How on earth Nunez was not sent off as well / no review at the very least is incredible.
But yeah, that linesman with two horrible / bias decisions, at least Oliver called for Robertson's hugging. Can't say for sure but don't see how Garnacho was even close to offside at the end there.
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I'm sure these things were reviewed. If they see the ball hitting Hojlund's hand, there's no need for a long review. I didn't think Darwin should have been sent off either, but fair enough if I am alone in that.
 
CoopersDream said:
I think it was mostly the linesman that was bad. The quick offside flag and not giving Amad the free kick earlier. Other than that I thought the reffing was fine. No complaints at the penalty and the situation earlier in the Liverpool box seems like a Hojlund handball first so no surprise that wasn't given.
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That’s my take as well. Although I was also unhappy with whoever was on VAR. I think the Oliver should definitely have been asked to have a look at the Nunez incident. Classic case of a challenge that looked fine in real time but terrible on a second viewing. And I don’t understand why we never saw any lines to prove that Gakpo was onside when it looked incredibly tight. Although I guess it’s possible they drew them but decided not to broadcast? I’m never sure who makes that call anyway.
 
I'm fascinated by the amount of attention the penalty against Arsenal gets.

Pedro literally flicks the ball up and controls it with his head, he heads it towards Saliba who barely gets a touch on it before twatting Pedro with his forehead. It's fecking madness to call it a clash of heads
 

Was Nunez lucky to avoid a red card?​

INCIDENT: Darwin Nunez was shown a yellow card for a coming together with De Ligt - but could it have been more than a yellow?
DERMOT SAYS: I think yellow card.
If you watch Nunez, he never looks at the ball. He's always looking at the player.
But he catches him in the chest and he doesn't come from a long distance.
They are the factors that stop it from being a red card.

The chest? :lol:
 
red_de_pologne said:
found a clip, he kicks the ball into the stands

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I mean... if he kicked it into the Liverpool end then fair enough, give him a yellow. But if I'm a United fan in that moment then I'm not going to care about a ball hitting me in the face. There was no time wasting involved in that instance either. Just use your common sense, Oliver.
 
NotChatGPT said:

Was Nunez lucky to avoid a red card?​

INCIDENT: Darwin Nunez was shown a yellow card for a coming together with De Ligt - but could it have been more than a yellow?
DERMOT SAYS: I think yellow card.
If you watch Nunez, he never looks at the ball. He's always looking at the player.
But he catches him in the chest and he doesn't come from a long distance.
They are the factors that stop it from being a red card.

The chest? :lol:
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Why they continue to ask that chump anything is beyond me. Completely pointless exercise.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
It does indeed. And now I'm annoyed all over again at how bad he is in the air, given his height. That was actually a great chance to score. What the feck was he doing?!
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Ha ha deep breaths Pogue :)

You're right though he's just not aggressive enough in those situations and doesn't get himself into the right position to get on the end of crosses.

Perhaps he'll learn, but it really highlights the team's need for a mature striker and what a bad decision it was to bring in another young unproven forward in Zirkzee.
 
NotChatGPT said:

Was Nunez lucky to avoid a red card?​

INCIDENT: Darwin Nunez was shown a yellow card for a coming together with De Ligt - but could it have been more than a yellow?
DERMOT SAYS: I think yellow card.
If you watch Nunez, he never looks at the ball. He's always looking at the player.
But he catches him in the chest and he doesn't come from a long distance.
They are the factors that stop it from being a red card.

The chest? :lol:
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Zidane likes this view.
 
Ace of Spades said:
No, it looks like it hit Konate's hand before going to Hojlund. Konate also has his hand out wide before he tucks it in after it hits him. If De Ligt was a pen, then this was even more so.
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I'd have to see a higher quality slowed down replay to be fair. My eyesight's not what it used to be and I can't make out that Konate doesn't head the ball.
 
Ace of Spades said:
No, it looks like it hit Konate's hand before going to Hojlund. Konate also has his hand out wide before he tucks it in after it hits him. If De Ligt was a pen, then this was even more so.
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From what I can see it doesn't look like it hits Konate's arm (there's a better clip of it in the comments in the above linked video). Even if it did, de Ligts is much more obvious as the ball actually goes towards goal in that instance.
 
NotChatGPT said:

Was Nunez lucky to avoid a red card?​

INCIDENT: Darwin Nunez was shown a yellow card for a coming together with De Ligt - but could it have been more than a yellow?
DERMOT SAYS: I think yellow card.
If you watch Nunez, he never looks at the ball. He's always looking at the player.
But he catches him in the chest and he doesn't come from a long distance.
They are the factors that stop it from being a red card.

The chest? :lol:
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He is the kind of person who will lie to you in your face and tell you that he knows you better than your own self. We have fecking eyes donkeymot.
 
2 man midfield said:
Why they continue to ask that chump anything is beyond me. Completely pointless exercise.
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He is a donkey,
he was caught laying many times but still say it with a straight face.
Just listen to his explanation on the Dalot vs Nunez red cards from last years game.

 
Withnail said:
Yeah looking at that close up in the reply I can't see a pen being given.

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Cheers - Thought it was a nothing incident.

Honestly, I just don't believe there's some great Sky conspiracy or anything... generally, if they're not showing a replay of something, it's because feck all happened.
 
How does a guy that took money personally from City's owner and flown down to UAE on their dime even get to ref in the Premier League while City are in it?
 
SKY hate United.
You only have to look at the headlines they gizz over liverpool and delight in bad headlines re United.
feck them and Oliver.
 
NotChatGPT said:

Was Nunez lucky to avoid a red card?​

INCIDENT: Darwin Nunez was shown a yellow card for a coming together with De Ligt - but could it have been more than a yellow?
DERMOT SAYS: I think yellow card.
If you watch Nunez, he never looks at the ball. He's always looking at the player.
But he catches him in the chest and he doesn't come from a long distance.
They are the factors that stop it from being a red card.

The chest? :lol:
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What about this decision Dermot?

Dermot: Whatever the on pitch ref and the VAR decided is correct.

Even when this contradicts the decision from an almost identical incident from the last match we looked at?

Dermot: Correct.
 
stevoc said:
What about this decision Dermot?

Dermot: Whatever the on pitch ref and the VAR decided is correct.

Even when this contradicts the decision from an almost identical incident from the last match we looked at?

Dermot: Correct.
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I hope Dermot Gallagher never gets invited to lunch at Sky and has to eat alone in his car. Such a useless goblin.
 
awop said:
I hope Dermot Gallagher never gets invited to lunch at Sky and has to eat alone in his car. Such a useless goblin.
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Having him on there is a waste of Electricity. He's literally never said anything slightly insightful, interesting or controversial that I can remember.

They should replace him with Mark Halsey who has the balls to criticize other Refs at least.
 
pratyush_utd said:
And yes that too. Amad shirt and arm was pulled but he was constantly shaking his head.
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People should remember this before criticizing next time Bruno goes down or stops under little contact. The player with the ball either has to muscle through the fouls (and so the foul isn't punished and the momentum is stopped) or they fall over etc. to win the kick and get called soft. The refs were terrible in this game.
 
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