Couldn’t ask for a more ideal situation for a biased ref to get one over on us.
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Couldn’t ask for a more ideal situation for a biased ref to get one over on us.
You think he could've? It's not a deliberate handball so I think the principle of not issuing a double punishment applies here. It's a penalty since that handball interfered with the ball and denied a goalscoring opportunity but it's hardly a yellow.
But yeah, Oliver's been fine tonight. Not perfect but nothing too bad.
I don't think a booking is considered double punishment, and he was on a yellow already. He blocked a goal bound shot with his hand (as judged by the ref), which you can be booked for I think. Not saying it's a clearcut red card, but a decision to make for the ref.
If deemed intentional, we're likely talking straight red.
Leif Davis for Ipswich today was carded (almost a red) in the first half then gave away the penalty late on but didn’t get a second yellow. The refs often don’t give a second yellow on a penalty.
You know what, I've checked the rules and you're right. I think it goes against the spirit of the game and, thankfully, so did Oliver tonight but he certainly could've done it:
He cant issue a yellow from a VAR review.
Also, there is no way in hell those will result in red card
Of course he can. You can't review for a booking, but you can review for a penalty which results in a booking.
He's an absolute joke.
Was this checked by VAR? Gravenberch didnt even get a yellow for it
Same old story with him trying to play favourites. Let's strong tackles go for one team, blows for everything for the other team. He's like a kid that wants to feel like he's one of the cool gang.
same as the newcastle one yesterday, he used his hand to block the ball. if it misses his hand, it flies past him. regardless of any shit rule some brain dead morons came up with, that should be a penalty. you play football and someone on the other team does that, you’re all up for the penalty, as any liverpool player in a half mile radius was today. you can talk about natural positions or distance to the ball but it hit his hand, which was miles away from his body. players may as well just peter schmeichel themselves at the ball otherwise and say they didn’t move their arm if it hits them. which john terry used to do fecking loads and somehow get away with.
and oliver is a twat, regardless of getting that one right. eventually.
and oliver is a twat, regardless of getting that one right. eventually.
It's the consistency, or lack of, that annoys me. Oliver was the ref in the match against Spurs when he chose not to punish the Romero handball because of proximity, but he gives this one against De Ligt despite it coming at him from much closer. Make it make sense.
Exactly this. I don’t mind if the De Ligt handball is a penalty. But give them every time, don’t pick and choose. I don’t even blame Oliver really, in real time he played on. He was told to go to the screen, so it was over the clear and obvious threshold. Yet the Romero one wasn’t?
Nunez could’ve easily seen red as well. So many decisions that could’ve gone in our favour today but didn’t because Anfield. Maguire getting booked for a brilliant tackle. Like what?
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The booking for Amad was crazy. He celebrated in front of the Utd fans, he didn’t take his shirt off. No idea what the booking was for?
I’ve said before. Our club need to make official statement regarding lot of crazy decision against us. It is that simple. Just to put light on it.
Violent conduct is when a player uses or attempts to use excessive force or brutality against an opponent when not challenging for the ball, or against a team-mate, team official, match official, spectator or any other person, regardless of whether contact is made.
In addition, a player who, when not challenging for the ball, deliberately strikes an opponent or any other person on the head or face with the hand or arm, is guilty of violent conduct unless the force used was negligible.
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Clearly red and not orange. He takes his eyes off the ball, watches de Ligt all the way, jumps into him and literally leaps into his head shoulder-first while not playing the ball. How that isn’t excessive force or deliberately striking an opponent is beyond me.
That’s twice now that Liverpool players have done it in a few weeks and it seems like the refs are oblivious to the shoulder being a more dangerous part of the body than the palm of the hand.
Biggest ref offence of the game. Unnatural movement. If you jump to avoid, you cant leave your leg half assed midway (rotating slightly back). He did it to be able to hit Kobbie, because of his tackle, and get away with it. 90 pct refs are too unknowledgeable to distinguish.
Linesman was bit quick to give offside despite instructions to wait for VAR if it can become a chance to score. As usual no replays either
It was a weird one!
Same linesman that refused to flag for Robertson clearly pulling Amad’s arm for a good 10 seconds as well.
This was one of the worst calls in entire game.
1) he was actually onside
2) meant to wait for VAR in close calls
3) stopped a dangerous attack and gave the ball straight back to Liverpool in the final minutes
Yeah that one seemed odd in real time, didn't seem offside at all. And then the broadcast didn't show any replays of it.
I apologise to Garnacho. Was frustrated at the time because I thought the winger has no right to be caught offside there.
Now I’m annoyed with the officiating. That was a great ball by Yoro and could have been a genuine attacking opportunity.
Don't be silly. Are you suggesting it was deliberate handball or on what grounds is that a yellow
Watching Match of the Day 2 now and think the Nunez incident was 100% a red card. Whilst the ball is in the air, he's looking at De Ligt the whole time and never really looks at the ball. He knows what he is doing and makes no real attempt to challenge for the header. He's deliberately trying to hurt the man. He makes full contact and it's dangerous and reckless. 100% a red card.
Deliberate handball denying a goal scoring opportunity would've been a red card
Minutes before Liverpool got their penalty this wasn't even reviewed by VAR?
Tell me he is not linesman who got excited for Bruno red v Spurs?
Thought Oliver was ok bar the yellow for Maguire. The potential red for Darwin could go either way and would have loved to see some kind of closer replay for our handball shout but we strangely never seem to get them. The lino on the far side though I'm convinced was a scouser. That offside call on Garnacho from the Yoro switch was utter nonsense and didn't flag despite Robertson holding Amad's shirt for 10 seconds right in front of him.
And yes that too. Amad shirt and arm was pulled but he was constantly shaking his head.
Ahh I've missed this discussion in thread and just posted in Garnacho's one.
Found a clip.
Can't see the whole pitch but glad I wasn't the only one thinking what the feck at either Garnacho or the linesman at the time.
We should absolutely start pointing this out. Klopp prevented us from getting penalties with his comments, time we return the favor.
Didn't think he was off.
There was one around that time too where a Liverpool player was clearly off, but the linesman on the other side just let it play.
These lads just flag when they feel like it. Really have too much say in how to ruin attacking momentum. Either you let it play for everything and pull it back if needed or you flag everything that's potentially offside right away.
Count me in on that apology as well.
That offside on garnacho felt like genuine corruption, late in game stops a possibly dangerous attack, hands possession back to Liverpool so they can get an attack going. Very questionable that one.
The penalty handball is just annoying really because we have seen similar not given, I mean Liverpool themselves didn't get the one against arsenal last season.
If there is one thing that VAR has made a complete mess off it's handball. It's more inconsistent now than it was pre VAR.
The penalty handball is just annoying really because we have seen similar not given, I mean Liverpool themselves didn't get the one against arsenal last season.
If there is one thing that VAR has made a complete mess off it's handball. It's more inconsistent now than it was pre VAR.
It's impossible to tell from that angle but he could well have gotten ahead of the play, and not gotten back inside when the switch is made, judging by where he is when he comes into shot.
why was Amad booked for celebrating a goal in front of away fans?
That’s what I assumed had happened. I haven’t yet seen a conclusive replay. But I have it in for that linesman anyway, after he refused to flag when Robinson was pulling Amad’s arm off, a yard away from him. So he’s not getting any benefit of the doubt from me!