It would be absolute bedlam if they broadcast these discussions live instead of 2 weeks after the fact.
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Referee also got punished for it.
"Tayls"
Would be hysterical.
I don’t really understand the chain of thought. AR1 and AR2 seemingly agree that it’s accidental, reckless act, trying to stop but lands in the wrong place. Why would it matter if he steps on his schlong, calf or whatnot when you’ve already said it looks accidental. Where you land can be a complete coincidence, no matter if it’s accidental or if you intentionally try to step on someone. How on earth does he go «i’m going with red»
Also: With that fecking logic behind his decision making, why isn’t VAR stepping in?
"Tayls". God that annoys me so much!
Oliver is Sonic
Proper Leeeeeeroy Jeeeeeenkins feel about it
Am I the only one confused as to how Isac is allowed to push someone with 2 hands in the back to make space for his goal ?.
True, absolutely crazy how they reacted to the media noise… has there been similar consequences since or before for such a call (wasn‘t even the worst decision)? One reason why refs seem to be scared to give us anything
Well, basically, Taylor (or Tayls) is now getting brown envelopes from Newkies owners, so if he can help them in any way…
Thats shocking wtf?
You guys think Taylor will get some backlash or "punishment" for that?
Someone posted this link earlier.
It's already been glossed over and explained away by Webb.
https://www.skysports.com/football/...ewcastle-the-right-decision-by-anthony-taylor
I still laugh at the «hang on, he’s holding somewhere else here, he’s holding between his legs», as if it’s some sort of shocking twist of events.
If Taylor decided it looked like a deliberate act from Duran to put his studs into Schar then obviously it’s a red card from his perspective, but i don’t understand the «hang on, he’s holding somewhere else here». Does it really matter if Duran stamped his thigh, schlong, buttocks or back if he intentionally stepped on him? Ofcourse not, it’s the deliberate act itself and not where he steps that would land him the red card.
«But the best placed match official by a long way is the referee, who is right behind the situation.»
The best placed match official, the referee, didn’t even see the extent of it until he noticed Schar was holding between his legs, which would go a fairly decent way of indicating that Taylor didn’t really have a good enough view to hand out the red card.
«Referee Taylor, speaking to the players: "If it's wrong I'll change it, ok?"»
Imo, the entire dialogue just gives off the impression that he pulls out the red card without being certain of what has actually happened. Duran looks completely out of balance and Schar is moving as well, imo it looks accidental rather than on purpose. It is however difficult to base it on the clip we’ve seen in this thread, as we don’t get to see if there’s any odd movements that would indicate Duran is trying to step on him. I still think it’s fecking weird that they don’t send him to the screen simply on the basis of the communication itself.
I also think Webb is arguing against himself.
"It's always hard to read players' minds, you have to judge the actions that we see, the physical evidence to make our judgements. And in this situation, the referee saw the action, felt it was a red card offence.
"And the VAR saw the movement of that leg onto the back of Schar and didn't feel that the on-field referee's call was obviously wrong - he probably agreed with it - and it stayed as an on-field call as a red card."
"But the referee felt the action of the right leg coming down on the back of the opponent's back was violent conduct and he sent him off. It was always going to be check complete once that referee's call had been given as a red card for violent conduct."
I can quite understand the difficulty the refs/var sometimes have in arriving at an initial decision and then having got more info via var, change it/or not. What really pisses me off is when a fecking lino stands 2 yards away from a player having his fecking arm pulled off and does absolutely nothing. I know it’s United and I’m biased but feck me… I also know it’s United and so are they. There’s no other explanation.
Oh, it's total nonsense from Webb. Taylor made a decision in the spur of the moment seemingly based on an emotional reaction to your man holding his junk, after being told it looked accidental. Then of course the VAR looks to justify that decision. Saying I'll overturn it if I'm wrong is all well and good but there was no need to go there, especially with the clear and obvious bar for overturning decisions being so high.
Of course Webb contradicts himself because he's again trying to justify the ref's process, and there was enough in it that you can't say the red card is objectively wrong, even though we can all see that the reasoning behind giving it was insane.
I don't understand what they can't just start of with potential red card for these ones where clearly no one had a good enough view of it. Then at least we might get some consistency if we start from the same frame of mind in that it's definitely a yellow and we're looking for a reason to upgrade to red.
This wasn't given because he didn't have time to react and arm was in a natural position apparently.
They always come across as extremely amateur in these recordings.
This is not incompetency. Just bias. "Tayls" had already made up his mind.