VAR, Refs and Linesmen | General Discussion

Pogue Mahone said:
Speaking as a goalkeeper you absolutely can. Sometimes the hardest goals to save are shots that come from behind a player that’s quite close to where the ball is struck. If you don’t get a clear view of the shot as soon as it’s taken lose a lot of the information you need to make a save.

You see it happen a lot when strikers curl the ball around a defender who is a long way out from goal. The keeper doesn’t make that first step early enough and can’t get across to make the save.

I haven’t seen a replay of the goal so have no idea if that applies here.
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I am unable to post images but you can see it in the last replay of the goal and it absolutely applies here. The offside player is not trying to move toward the ball, he's 8-10 yards out from Onana - but directly in his line of sight. The ball is in fact curled around him (according to Onana's view) and into the corner.

After the goal that's what Onana seemed to be complaining about.

Again, great strike and great goal - just seemed an obvious 'unintentional offside' to me.

But then VAR has turned us all into armchair critics hasn't it? :lol: If the goal is given in real time with no VAR replays, you'd completely accept it, but VAR gives us the chance to nitpick and say 'so why was that given and this one wasn't?
 
Baffling the Amad situation wasn't checked. Who cares it was 94th minute and the game was dead. Just fecking do your job.
 
pablo__p said:
Baffling the Amad situation wasn't checked. Who cares it was 94th minute and the game was dead. Just fecking do your job.
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It was checked but given “on field decision” after about 10 seconds.
 
If United tried the Arsenal tactic of niggly fouls and pushes at every corner, any goal would be ruled out every time.
There would be a VAR CSi job for every United player
 
OldSchoolManc said:
If United tried the Arsenal tactic of niggly fouls and pushes at every corner, any goal would be ruled out every time.
There would be a VAR CSi job for every United player
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If a United manager spent as much time outside the technical area as Arteta does they’d install security around it.
 
Two handed push on Hojlund for the opener and nothing.

To be honest, I blame Hojlund for just accepting it and not even complaining to the ref. Clown.
 
Fouls have been allowed at corners for years, seems Arsenal have found out how to exploit it pretty effectively now...
 
SuperiorXI said:
I can't believe Tyler and Shearer can't see the blatant cheating, they're talking like Arsenal have invented the wheel.
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Once one or two managers starts pointing this out, watch the pundits and journos follow, then the refs will eventually catch on

Similar to when our penalties dried up a few seasons ago, because apparently we were getting too many
 
Farcical stuff now. They can literally do things no other team in league is allowed to do. There's about 3 fouls at any given time during set pieces
 
Shane88 said:
Two handed push on Hojlund for the opener and nothing.

To be honest, I blame Hojlund for just accepting it and not even complaining to the ref. Clown.
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I haven’t seen this one tonight but they got away with exactly what you’re describing on Gabriel’s goal vs West Ham the other day.
 
The first goal is a foul. No doubt. I mean the bothered checking the second for a compleatly non existent offside but didn't check the blatant foul for the first one.

Refereeing is really poor at the moment.
 
Longshanks said:
The first goal is a foul. No doubt. I mean the bothered checking the second for a compleatly non existent offside but didn't check the blatant foul for the first one.

Refereeing is really poor at the moment.
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Second one looked like a foul too. Saliba shoving Hojlund out of the way as he got his arse to the ball. But hey, VAR is here to make sure the ref can spot the fouls he misses in real time. So everything is perfectly fine.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Second one looked like a foul too. Saliba shoving Hojlund out of the way as he got his arse to the ball. But hey, VAR is here to make sure the ref can spot the fouls he misses in real time. So everything is perfectly fine.
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I'm not as convinced with the second one, maybe a bit of 6 of one half a dozen of the other. Worth a look though but there more interested in checking to see if saliba's arse is offside than actually looking for fouls.
 
Any team vs Arsenal at corners, should tell their players to go down with any push/shove against them.
The fact that Arsenal are allowed to get away with blatant fouls every corner is a disgrace
 
Longshanks said:
I'm not as convinced with the second one, maybe a bit of 6 of one half a dozen of the other. Worth a look though but there more interested in checking to see if saliba's arse is offside than actually looking for fouls.
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Checking to see if he was offside from a ball headed backwards. Geniuses on VAR tonight as usual.
 
Minor thing in the grand scheme of VAR’s ruination of football but tonight there was a great example of how it’s made offside a farce. Saka was played through when blatantly offside. Linesman hedged his bets (as you would) because he knew VAR could intervene if Saka scored. But he didn’t score. He won a corner. A corner that would never have happened pre-VAR. A corner they scored from.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Minor thing in the grand scheme of VAR’s ruination of football but tonight there was a great example of how it’s made offside a farce. Saka was played through when blatantly offside. Linesman hedged his bets (as you would) because he knew VAR could intervene if Saka scored. But he didn’t score. He won a corner. A corner that would never have happened pre-VAR. A corner they scored from.
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They’re still supposed to raise their flag after the play has finished.
 
SuperiorXI said:
It's cheating and they're being lauded for it. Ref and commentary team too thick to notice.
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Defending teams need to wise up, exaggerate their falls, moan to referees etc. They're getting away with third man blocks, which if you did it in midfield it's obstruction.

Teams also need to defend better, not just the ball, but protecting the keeper and stopping the movement. You can do a lot of defending when the ball is dead. Get tight, grab shirts, hands, standing on toes, pinching etc. Break their sight, focus and on their movement for the ball. Generally just annoy the feck out of them to take their attention away from their role. If you play any team with good delivery and give 6 free players a run at the ball and they'll cause you trouble from set pieces all day.
 
Infuriating to lose like to two set-pieces. How the feck is that allowed? You are not even allowed to defend. As the poster above mentioned, they are constantly obstructing defenders from attacking the ball, which is a foul for obstruction anywhere else on the pitch.
 
Cutch said:
I was baffled that there was no mention of a check going on for the first one. Looked a very blatant shove on Hojlund and it was an easy one to spot when it's the guy that scored the goal that benefitted
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Every goal is checked, why does it need to be mentioned?
 
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