VAR, Refs and Linesmen | General Discussion

Desert Eagle said:
So literally no penalty for a unanimously condemned and ridiculed decision that resulted in a manager getting sacked.
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Doubt ETH was sacked because of that decision, he was likely sacked because his players couldn't hit barn door from 10 years never mind a the net between 2 goalposts
 
Red in STL said:
You just called him corrupt by saying what he did is match fixing
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Corrupt is saying someone is paying him. Which would just be speculation. What is a fact, is that he fixed the match with his decision. For what reason, who knows?!
 
Red in STL said:
Doubt ETH was sacked because of that decision, he was likely sacked because his players couldn't hit barn door from 10 years never mind a the net between 2 goalposts
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I understand what you're getting at but I doubt he'd be unemployed if we drew at West Ham. It was going to happen eventually but that defeat cost him his job and the penalty was a huge part of that.
 
Peharust said:
Corrupt is saying someone is paying him. Which would just be speculation. What is a fact, is that he fixed the match with his decision. For what reason, who knows?!
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You don't have to be paid to be corrupt, his decision enabled the result, it didn't fix it, United had ample time and opportunity to change the scoreline, that's on the team for being crap
 
Red in STL said:
You don't have to be paid to be corrupt, his decision enabled the result, it didn't fix it, United had ample time and opportunity to change the scoreline, that's on the team for being crap
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If your definition is correct , he is corrupt then.
What Man Utd could/should have done does not change my point.
 
Oliver will get a lift down with the city board, to The sea-side. The FA are just basically just sticking two fingers up to the rest and UTD . Both him and Coote should have been suspended without pay for at least 2 months.
 
Ten Hag getting sacked has taken the spot light off this. I've not seen one pundit or whoever come out and say it was a penalty.

Will they release the audio for this? I doubt it.
 
Peharust said:
If your definition is correct , he is corrupt then.
What Man Utd could/should have done does not change my point.
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Well you're welcome to go and say it in front of the media, and you'll quickly find out why the club haven't said anything publically, as I've said previously, you better have unrefutable proof otherwise you'll be on the losing side of a very expensive lawsuit
 
How good was it to see that Casemiro screamer and know it was a goal and enjoy it without waiting for VAR to find something.
 
Zlatan 7 said:
How good was it to see that Casemiro screamer and know it was a goal and enjoy it without waiting for VAR to find something.
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Nah, the cheer you heard was actually a collective sigh of disgruntlement at the sudden relalisation at the lack of unnecessarily fastidious checking of the minutia of every goal that coincidentally happened at same time that you mistook as the crowd cheering a goal.

I mean you've not even mentioned xG in your post? Are you even a fan?
 
I'm impressed by the application of VAR for the handball/red card/penalty situation leading up to Gyokeres's 3rd goal in the Sporting vs Estrela match (Portuguese league match).

Initial on-field decision was red card for handball that denied a goal, penalty awarded. Ref called to the monitor, and in reviewing the player who handled the ball was not deliberately putting his arm in an unnatural position (in fact, he was actively withdrawing his arm, and trying to get his head on the ball). More critically, there was a player on the line who would've blocked the attempt on goal regardless of the handball anyway. In the end, the red card was downgraded to a yellow, with the penalty decision remaining.

What was most helpful was the immediate announcement directly from the on-field referee about his decision as he was walking away from the monitor and back to the situation on-field.

I couldn't believe the level of refereeing competence I was seeing from a situation that required some level of interpretation, and the transparency to the crowd in real-time.
 
Zlatan 7 said:
How good was it to see that Casemiro screamer and know it was a goal and enjoy it without waiting for VAR to find something.
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VAR tends not to nit pick the joy out of long range screamers but it sure as shit would have ruined the Garnacho goal. Probably taken the gloss off Bruno’s free kick too.

Such a treat watching a game where the only thing that matters is what happens in real time. So fecking insane that this isn’t always the case. Straight up sabotage of the experience of watching football. How has this been let happen?!?
 
JezChan said:
I'm impressed by the application of VAR for the handball/red card/penalty situation leading up to Gyokeres's 3rd goal in the Sporting vs Estrela match (Portuguese league match).

Initial on-field decision was red card for handball that denied a goal, penalty awarded. Ref called to the monitor, and in reviewing the player who handled the ball was not deliberately putting his arm in an unnatural position (in fact, he was actively withdrawing his arm, and trying to get his head on the ball). More critically, there was a player on the line who would've blocked the attempt on goal regardless of the handball anyway. In the end, the red card was downgraded to a yellow, with the penalty decision remaining.

What was most helpful was the immediate announcement directly from the on-field referee about his decision as he was walking away from the monitor and back to the situation on-field.

I couldn't believe the level of refereeing competence I was seeing from a situation that required some level of interpretation, and the transparency to the crowd in real-time.
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That's because they use VAR for the purpose of getting the correct decision.

In the Premier League, the most important thing is that they don't hurt the ref's feelings or don't give a decision that will incur widespread media criticism (anything that could possibly be interpreted as in United's favour).

If that happens to be the correct decision, that's a bonus.
 
Jordan_mufc said:
Maybe controversial but I don't think that's a foul
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What's your argument for it?

I can't see how a body check like that with no attempt to play the ball is anything other than a stonewaller so I'm very interested in how the refs for that game came to the other conclusion.
 
Ichabod Ferguson said:
What's your argument for it?

I can't see how a body check like that with no attempt to play the ball is anything other than a stonewaller so I'm very interested in how the refs for that game came to the other conclusion.
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Shoulder to shoulder?
It looks a foul to me, a clumsy foul
(player jumps before contact too, that doesn't help him, looks like he was looking for it)
 
Ichabod Ferguson said:
What's your argument for it?

I can't see how a body check like that with no attempt to play the ball is anything other than a stonewaller so I'm very interested in how the refs for that game came to the other conclusion.
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Borderline shoulder to shoulder coming together. I don't think it's an egregious decision.

I'd actually be a bit surprised if that was give. Not a stonewaller for me
 
Ichabod Ferguson said:


This wasn't given in the Ipswich game and I can't even begin to think of why?
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He doesn't deserve anything for acting like he was hit by a car. Fecking state of him splaying his legs and arms out like he's dead.

I'm so sick of footballers exaggerating fouls, howling in pain, holding their faces, rolling all over the place. The sport is an embarrassment with it and refs are to blame for most of it because they keep rewarding it.

More of it in that Everton/Southampton match.

 
Jordan_mufc said:
Maybe controversial but I don't think that's a foul
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Yeah I was expecting something really blatant.
That just looks like a player knocks it to one side, is semi going down already, then just outstrengthed.
 
Jordan_mufc said:
Borderline shoulder to shoulder coming together. I don't think it's an egregious decision.

I'd actually be a bit surprised if that was give. Not a stonewaller for me
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I don't see how it's a shoulder to shoulder at all tbh, but I can see it at least as an explanation, but there's far too much arm involved for him to get away with that.

We'd be fuming if that was not given for us, I think. Especially as Phillips got a second yellow about 2 seconds later, but that one's on Ipswich for signing someone so dopey in the first place!
 
Jordan_mufc said:
Borderline shoulder to shoulder coming together. I don't think it's an egregious decision.

I'd actually be a bit surprised if that was give. Not a stonewaller for me
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Not sure how it's a shoulder to shoulder coming together, one of them is trying to avoid contact and the other one is actively engaging contact after going the wrong way. He does however see it coming, and as soon as he feints left he pretty much jumps up before contact is made so i suppose the conclusion is that he's being a bit too soft.
 
I think it's an obvious penalty. Guy runs into him, miles away from getting the ball.
 
Nah that's an Ipswich pen all day. The guy not only body checks him but its front on and with a push. It's one those "anywhere else on the pitch it's a foul" ones. Which shouldn't exist, but invariably do.
 
Ridiculous decision again. Pretty much every game and our club and leadership is silent.
 
One on Rasmus was suspect, foul on Rashford is stonewall. Pathetic.
 
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