We finish the game with 6 yellows which is a fine. Jones is a decent ref but goes through spells where he just loses his mind. Some awful calls in second half
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Oh right because players don't just do that all the time.
It doesn't tell us anything about the level of contact which you can see is minimal from the replay.
It’s truly astonishing how many people still think a challenge around the knee is automatically a red card.
People need to read the rules.
The ref gave us the penalty and then gave Chelsea every 50/50 decision afterwards. The number of free kicks given for a Chelsea player falling over is embarrassing.
Obviously not including the Martinez one, but I thought both Ugarte & Mazrouri were harshly done by a couple of times.
Obviously not including the Martinez one, but I thought both Ugarte & Mazrouri were harshly done by a couple of times.
Sending off Martinez wouldn’t have helped Chelsea. Toothless.
Only found this angle, any others ? But looks a foul to me from that one, so yeah pen, maybe clearer if there's any other footage of it. Not sure where the ref is or what happens after as didn't see this part of the game.
Don’t bother mate, they won’t admit it anyway. Not a hill you want to die on.
Honestly, the club should ask the PL to publicly explain why the dangerous tackle on Rashford wasn’t a penalty (was it even checked by VAR?).
For what it’s worth, I think Martinez should have been sent off at the end but that wouldn’t have affected the result like the missed penalty did.
For what it’s worth, I think Martinez should have been sent off at the end but that wouldn’t have affected the result like the missed penalty did.
My lowlight of the game was when the referee blew the whistle for a foul on Ugurte before Hojlund got a shot off (and forced Sanchez to make a decent save). That goal would have been ruled out because the referee called the foul on Ugurte. Later in the game he was giving Chelsea a lot of advantages after fouls. Maybe the Ugarte/Hojlund moment reminded him that he is allowed to play the advantages
It's weird that it's also not been mentioned at half-time or post-match at all.
He wasn't apologising, he was just letting him know next time, he wouldn't miss.
Yeah, that was maddening. Even more so coming after a clearly onside Garnacho being called offside in the first half. As though VAR had never been invented. Or when Garnacho was one v one against their right back and the ref called play back to give United a free kick in our own half.
The use of advantage this match was so one sided.
Ref was shite. All game.
Kicked one of our free kicks back a foot.. they chucked the ball yards forward all game.
Cucurella picks the ball up and runs away… nothing, meant to be mandatory.
50/50s all their way.
Kicked one of our free kicks back a foot.. they chucked the ball yards forward all game.
Cucurella picks the ball up and runs away… nothing, meant to be mandatory.
50/50s all their way.
Went down like a sack of spuds, free kick at most
Imagine being a Chelsea fan and watching that game and thinking your team has been hard done by.
Jesus fecking Christ.
Jesus fecking Christ.
Well, I suppose it’s all about perspectives. Chelsea fans in Chelsea spaces also find it perplexing that United fans feel hard done by, so in the end fans will be fans.
Overall i feel people are making too much of any of the decisions today. Was a penalty, was never a red card, and I can live without us getting a rashford penalty. Why he booked so many united players again, i dont know (he booked 6 today, and 5 away at villa) but there were some very strange calls from the linesmen, flagging close calls rather than playing on.
Jones' biggest mistakes of the day were regards advantage
1) he blew before hojlund got that chance. If that had gone in he'd have put himself in real trouble
2) he played an advantage for chelsea, who carried the ball and messed up a pass, then brought the play back for the foul. How long can an advantage be given for.
Jones' biggest mistakes of the day were regards advantage
1) he blew before hojlund got that chance. If that had gone in he'd have put himself in real trouble
2) he played an advantage for chelsea, who carried the ball and messed up a pass, then brought the play back for the foul. How long can an advantage be given for.
If he's a decent ref he must have had a brain transplant during the week because that was the worst officiating I've seen in a while and the bar is already incredibly low.
He got so many basic decisions wrong I was convinced it was on purpose, but it's not like it even favoured anyone..
He did this in the other direction too, foul was committed by Chelsea, the ball ended up with Garnacho on the wing and he held the ball for a good 10 seconds looking like he might try take his man on, and when he didn’t, the ref called it back for the initial foul he waved on.
But yeah, overall he was OK. A few odd decisions but mostly it was a drama free game. Don’t think it was a red card either.
I mean, the throw before the penalty could not have been more obviously a Chelsea throw that the linesman gave to you because Rashford had chewed him out, so there is that
Im going by games in the past, I thought he was very poor away at villa, and yeah, poor today in terms of the gameplay and flow especially in the second half. But again, where the big 3 decisions were - hojlund penalty, martinez tackle, and tackle on rashord - i would say he just about got all 3 right.
That was the biggest problem with the officials today. They tried to mitigate their mistakes by 'managing' the game.
Everything else aside, I'm still baffled why the linesman at both ends didn't play the wait and see approach for offside when Rashford and Garnacho both looked level.
The number of times we see the move been played out when someone is about 2 yards off side is so frustrating, but it happens all the time.
The number of times we see the move been played out when someone is about 2 yards off side is so frustrating, but it happens all the time.
Ref was shocking today
Yeah it was like they forgot they were supposed to let it play out today. I thought Garnacho was off but didn't see a definitive angle on it.
Yeah think this was spot on. There were some very odd moments where the ref just seemed to go along with what the players had dictated instead of stamping his authority on the match - a few early fouls where Chelsea players flopped and grabbed the ball should have gone the other way for sure.
Think he was just about off but the linesman also wasn't in position to make the decision definitively - all the more reason to let it play out. Definitely an odd one.
There were loads of decisions that went Chelsea's way today, there were a few clear fouls on our players that got ignored by the officials like Hojlund being wiped out in the box in the box during the first half while Chelsea were being given freekicks for almost every soft challenge and Casemiro was booked because a Chelsea player fell over in front of him.
Referee was absolutely shocking today. No surprise that Robert Jones is from Merseyside. He gave Chelsea numerous free kicks which should have gone the other way. Six yellow cards to United from 19 fouls conceded, whereas Chelsea only had two yellows from 14 fouls conceded.
When he "refereed" our match at Aston Villa last month, we received 5 yellow cards from 11 fouls conceded, whereas he saw fit to give Villa just the one yellow, in stoppage time, for conceding more fouls, 12!
The refereeing in the WWE Premier League is so corrupt, they are all following Sky's agenda.
When he "refereed" our match at Aston Villa last month, we received 5 yellow cards from 11 fouls conceded, whereas he saw fit to give Villa just the one yellow, in stoppage time, for conceding more fouls, 12!
The refereeing in the WWE Premier League is so corrupt, they are all following Sky's agenda.
He was annoying as hell today but totting up total fouls and assuming the number of yellow cards should have been a similar proportion makes no sense. Can’t remember all our yellow cards but at least four of them (Dalot, Ugarte, Casemiro and Martinez) were absolutely barn door obvious.
EDIT: The Diallo one was for a pushing and shoving incident where he booked a player from both teams. Which is standard.
Ugarte also incurred three fouls after being booked, so I don't think we can feel hard done by.
It wasn't 3 it was 5
He could've easily sent Rashford off v us so he was lenient to you there.
No opinion on today as I went on a two hour walk round my local town after our collapse v Spurs to cool off.
Just popped my head through pub windows to see what the score was.I would say generally this season refs are pretty much booking players for their first offences hence why we're seeing so many games end up with 10 yellows or more but the bar is then raised for you to actually get sent off for two bookings.
They were nothing fouls though. To send someone off a second yellow always needs to be absolutely blatant. You’ll never get a second yellow for an accumulation of minor fouls.
It's pretty rare that a player is allowed to commit 5 fouls without a booking in any context
Not as rare as a player getting a second yellow for an accumulation of fouls. Can you think of any example ever? I can’t.
A lot of those 'fouls' were quite soft though. The ref was falling for the attacker backing into the defender before jumping to the ground and similar play acting quite a bit, which always pisses me off, but he's never going to give a second yellow for them.
I mean there's a pretty notable example from this same fixture in the FA Cup semifinals where Herrera got sent off for accumulated fouls on Hazard...? It's pretty well established that repeated fouls is a booking; it's rare that a player gets away with 5 in a half without being carded.
Sure - don't think any on their own merit were worthy of a booking. Most refs don't allow a player to continue to foul without repercussion, however.
I guess you've never heard of Rodri?
Colwill and Caicedo have been wrestling players all game without fouls even being whistled.
Ref blew every soft contact in favour of Chelsea and seemed to forget repeated fouls made by Chelsea
Ref blew every soft contact in favour of Chelsea and seemed to forget repeated fouls made by Chelsea