What are you basing that on? What agenda?
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An example from 2 years ago which is still being trialled and not yet in use in the PL.
It will be a big improvement if it works reliably.
Sometimes it's a bias thing. Sometimes it comes down to the state of that particular game. Or recent similar incidents.
Most often though, I suspect, it comes down to not wanting to make their mate look stupid for missing something.
That's just made up though, you are guessing.
Strange response.
If I'd given some kind of percentages or ratios to those then that would be guessing. Do you honestly believe that those factors never come into their thinking when assesing decisions to be made? If so, how on earth do you account for all the mistakes and wild inconsistencies?
It'll be quicker decisions but more of what I would deem to be good goals ruled out because a toenail or an eyebrow was ahead of the defender. Then you have the farcical situation where a defender over by the corner flag can be playing the attackers in the box onside because he's near the goal line but nowhere near the goal, and as such has no ability to affect play.
To be honest, they need to re-write the rule completely. They need to review and think about which goals exactly should be ruled out and in which positions does an attacker actually have a material advantage. The rule as it's stands doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Proximity to the goal line isn't proximity to the goal and if two players are running side by side, it really doesn't matter if one's shoulder or forehead is a few mm ahead of the other at the moment they've approximated that the ball was kicked.
VAR's have admitted to not giving decisions because they didn't want to do that to a mate. It's more than a suspicion or a guess.
They introduced the clear and obvious nonsense as a protective device so that they on field ref wouldn't be shown up and last season they raised the bar so that there would be less interventions, the net effect of which was more contentious decisions.
When did they say that?
Yeah, this is the main problem with VAR. Remove “clear and obvious” and just have the VAR decide if they think the decision is right or wrong. If they think it’s wrong, have a grown up conversation with the on-field ref whilst watching a replay and aim to get to the right decision as close to 100% of the time as possible.
If they think the decision is wrong they should send it to an on-field review and shouldnt be saying anything to the on-field ref while he is carrying out the review so his decision is fully his own and not one influenced by others.
That makes no sense. The ref then is being sent to the screen in the knowledge that his decision is felt to be wrong and asked to play a guessing game to work out what the problem is.
The entire aim of this process should be, so far as possible, to get the right decision, with the two refs acting as a team.
The on-field ref cant be told what decision to make, the final decision has to be his.
The ref wouldnt have to play a guessing game he just needs to rewatch the incident in question and apply the laws of the game to the situation.
Sure, the ultimate decision is his - after a sensible discussion with VAR.
Haalands disallowed goal vs Denmark is pretty much the worst subjective offside decision i’ve ever seen. It’s actually amazingly bad.
What minute was it? Or what was the score at the time? There's 11 mins there.
EDIT: I found it it starts from 7:07.
It looked like the guy was offside when Haaland played the ball and he then blocked off the defender from attempting to tackle Haaland.
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I’d get it if Haaland actually attempted playing the ball to him, but Haaland takes it in his stride and goes past his marker. Thorsby just happens to be close to him afterwards. For me, it seems bonkers considering it’s essentially one movement where Haaland plays himself through and shoots. Thorsby is onside when the ball is played to Haaland, so i don‘t see why it’s considered as two seperate incidents where Haalands touch is supposedly a pass.
Haaland doesn't have full control though and I don't see it as one movement. He plays it through the defenders legs and then has to regather it which he does well to do but the second defender is blocked from intervening by the player who was offside when Haaland played the ball initially.
Think we just witnessed a VAR first in Ireland vs Portugal. Portugal win a free kick just outside the box. The VAR guys calls the ref to the big screen, presumably to see if the contact was inside or outside the box, and the ref reverses his decision giving a free out. Honestly don’t think I’ve seen that happen before. Very weird.
I’ve read this 4 times and still none the wiser to what happened.
Hmmm… I just re-read it and it’s pretty clear. What’s your best guess?
A free out? I want a free out
Actually, a comma (or even semi-colon?) after “reverses his decision” might help?
It’s kinda confusing for me. What a free out? Did ref give a penalty in the end, since you seem to be saying the initial decision was a free kick outside the box and there was some confusion about whether it was inside or outside the box?
Don't act like you don't know what a free out is. You get an out and no money is exchanged. He's been pretty clear and even added a comma !
Free out is a free kick to the defence. He reversed his original decision. So a pitchside VAR caused a referee to change his mind about a free kick awarded outside the box. That’s a first, right?
Thanks I’ve just put the comma in there and I’m still none the wiser
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I didn't think they were allowed to do that. He'll probably get sacked now for unnecessary application of common sense
I didn't think they were allowed to do that. He'll probably get sacked now for unnecessary application of common sense
I have honestly never heard that term before. Sounds like something you’d hear in Rugby. But yeah I got you. I’ve understood the scenario. Yeah I don’t think I’ve seen VAR get involved in overturning decisions outside the box unless it’s violent conduct/red card situations.
Definitely not rugby. Maybe field hockey? (the only team sport I still play) This was unusual because the VAR official must have wanted the ref to upgrade his decision to a penalty and he not only disagreed with that but decided to reverse his original call. Which was impressive. He was a PL referee too.
EDIT: Chris Kavanagh.
As far as I'm aware, free out is used all the time in football. (Unless it's a Irish thing)
In relation to the VAR decision, the ref gave a free to Portugal for a foul on Jota.
However, on the replay the initial contact looked to be inside the area.
The VAR told the ref to have a look, presumably as @Pogue Mahone said to upgrade from free to pen.
The ref takes a look and decides Jota was a little bollox after all and awards a free to Ireland.
Could be. I used to coach kids football and the term “free out” was used all the time. I’m in the North.
Was a very good use of VAR to be honest.
Was impressive from Kavanagh alright.
UEFA making vAR work well so far
Absolutely correct to send him to tbe monitor there and correct decision made.
Clear red card and clear penalty.
Clear red card and clear penalty.
Anything else would have been bonkers
Still taking a bit long for my liking
Concerning how the referee didn't see that as a penalty and red card on the pitch though. Had a perfect view of it!