Great VAR work there. Don't know how the ref didn't even give a pen.
Pity for Scotland but was likely to happen
Pity for Scotland but was likely to happen
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He’s behind but with an angle, with the way the scottish player goes in it’s not unlikely that his right foot covers his left foot (which is planted at Gundogans ankle), so that the referee doesn’t really see what actually happens.
Either way it just underlines my point about why VAR should get involved more often, as it’s easy for referees to miss situations
Wasn't given as he got the ball and ref couldn't see the studs part of the tackle.
20 or 30 years ago you'd get away with that often I think, taking the ball and man was wasn't penalised the same way.
20 or 30 years ago you'd get away with that often I think, taking the ball and man was wasn't penalised the same way.
I still think there's no value in sending the on-field to the monitor to review it. The off-field referee should know the rules to overturn the decision. That removes half of the faf
There needs to be more collaboration. The VARs are refs too. I agree he can say it's a feckin leg breaker, no doubt about it. It's hardly a subjective one.
The final decision should always be made by the on-field ref
Worth debating this, it’s not the case for goal line tech for example. If it’s an obvious mistake the decision is instantly changed. Why not do the same with VAR and if it’s not obvious enough to change within 30s then let it go and keep the game moving.
Michael 115 Oliver still not able to give a City player a red even at international level.
Shouldn't have even been a penalty.
Agree but if you've given a pen for that then it's a red card
Why are English refs allowed to work in international matches?
Comedy. How this guy is still ranked a top referee is shocking.
It didn’t look as bad when I watched the game last night, but when I watched the replay today, I saw that it was clearly a foul.
Surprise Surprise 
I like that they do this so those in the stadium know whats going on
Its a penalty but he made a genuine attempt to play the ball so can only be given a yellow
The rule book says nothing about intent.
It does, denying a clear goalscoring oppurtunity in the box is only a red if the defender didnt make a genuine attempt to play the ball.
Why didn't Rodri get a straight red yesterday? Denied a goalscoring change and ,ade no attempt to play the ball so the "double jeapardy" rules doesn't apply.
Am I missing something other that the refs bottling the call?
Am I missing something other that the refs bottling the call?
Michael Oliver bottling a call?
Never
Never
It’s part of the Rodri privilege. A booking for him is equivalent to a red card for anybody else.
Then it's not a penalty.
If he's tripped him (which I think he has), how is it a yellow other than the ref being a coward?
Not a penalty for me, correct call is a yellow for the attacker.
You could argue he's tried to play the ball, more importantly it's never a pen though.
You could make an argument for that with every red card ever but ever but it would be a ridiculous argument. He's absolutely nowhere near the ball. He's tripped him or it's a dive.
With the benefit of VAR, a yellow card to Rodri makes no sense. It's a pen and a red card or a yellow for diving.
How on earth can you argue that Rodri has tried to play the ball? He's well behind the player and the ball when he sticks out his leg in the path of the Croatia player. There's contact between Rodri's foot and the croatia player, which causes him to lose balance. As soon as they've concluded that the contact warrants a penalty, which it does, then there's hardly any way to argue that Rodri has made an honest attempt at playing the ball.
Rodri?!
No he didn't, he stretched out and tripped a player who was about to tap into an empty net.
Unless you think he has inspector gadget style legs and can tackle a ball that far away.
So you're saying it wouldn't be a red if AWB did it?
I genuinely don't understand people at times.
People actually think it wasn't a pen? And that it was a legit attempt of a challenge?
Seemed the most obvious pen and thus redm
Rodri knew and didn't even for a second try and argue whereas opponents were going ape sht at why it wasn't a red.
And it matters, as if they judge that hopeless chance of winning the ball as legit, it served a defender to always just trip someone over in a tighter game as like last night the pen might be missed.
Even he wasn't making contact with the ball from that range.
There's a bloke who writes for the ESPN website called Dale Johnson, he always does VAR reviews of Premier League games on a Monday and is doing them for the Euros too.
His column.
This was inserted into the guidelines but not the law itself a year or two ago:
On his Twitter he's saying that it's resulted in players pretty much only being sent off for holding, pulling, pushing when denying a goalscoring opportunity and that they don't get a red for anything else, even ridiculous claims that a player was attempting to play the ball or challenge for it when they trip someone. They've looked at those words and interpreted it that way according to him.
I don't know about this fella to be honest, he seems to be able to justify terrible decisions regularly. He doesn't try to present thing as they should be in a just world as that should be a red all day long if you give the penalty as far as I'm concerned. He's looking at how refs are currently seeing things/operating.
The same guy pisses me off sometimes where he states that VAR decisions were correct because the VAR panel that reviews the decisions afterwards agreed, even when the VAR panel are insane for agreeing! He only counts mistakes as the times they disagree with what happened.
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makes sense. They are essentially morons.
He's paid by ESPN to be pro VAR..., a propagandist who justifes whatever the calls are 99.9% of the time. Never writes anything negative about it.
The decision tonight to disallow the Dutch goal by the prem refs should show everyone that we have the worst set of VAR refs out of any league. This tournament has used VAR well so far until these clowns tonight.
Yup. Taylor and his VAR team should be deregistered.
Stuart ‘Ghost goal‘ Attwell should have been sacked years ago.
Don't know why everyone is having a go at Attwell, he contacted multiple mainland European refs through zoom and they all agreed no goal.
Only 2 real controversial VAR moments so far and both involving English officials. Just a coincidence I'm sure......
Lads, there was a player right between the keeper and where there ball went. The only shite thing about the decision is how long it took them to make it.
The keeper hardly reacted at all. Take the player away and it still goes in imo.