You're just going into RAWK level conspiracy guff now. No, there's no way to prove it yet you fervently believe it. Should that give you pause for thought?
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You're just going into RAWK level conspiracy guff now. No, there's no way to prove it yet you fervently believe it. Should that give you pause for thought?
PL pens for this season, 7. PL pens against this season, 7.
Conspiracies about policies to ref Utd differently from the opposition is just more of the circle jerk of hyperbole that is so rampant on here.
Conspiracies about policies to ref Utd differently from the opposition is just more of the circle jerk of hyperbole that is so rampant on here.
Its hilarious when you think about it. Onana comes for the ball, attempts to punch, misses, smacks the opposition attacker. Ederson comes for the ball, attempts to punch, missed, takes out the opposition attacker.
No one really knows the rule around this so the only thing we can say is that the NF player was moving faster than the SU player.
No one really knows the rule around this so the only thing we can say is that the NF player was moving faster than the SU player.
TBF, whether or not there is some conspiracy the number of penalties for and against doesn't really prove anything.
There is no conspiracy, there are shit refs and ever changing interpretation of laws. Have Utd on balance had a slightly harsher whistle than other teams this year, possibly, but it is nowhere near as bad as this place makes out.
Let me ask you, because you seem to be someone who agrees with every decision referees and VAR make in our games. Just last couple of weeks. How do you see Liverpool and Chelsea getting penalties against us for similiar touches like Garnacho yesterday with different outcome? How do you see WanBissaka handball against Coventry compared to yesterday where we didn't get anything? How do you see Onana penalty (which it was) compared to Ederson today?
Or how do you see Dalot getting red for dissent when referees just let other players be when they yell or shout at them? What do you think about Romero handball against Tottenham? Or ManCity penalty where same situations happens every corner without penalties being given? Or Garnachos disallowed goal against Arsenal because some strange linedrawings and minutes later clear obstruction on Evans than resulted in goal for Arsenal? How about Crystal Palace allowed goal where same kind of goal was disallowed when Evans scored because of player in the line of the ball? And so it goes through this season.
You can rewatch every game this year and you will find tons and tons of decisions where you wonder, why don't I see that outcome in other games. You can call people RAWK level here but that doesn't mean that those people are wrong when the say that we have had some really bad decisions against us this year.
I don't agree with every decision at all. Again it's all hyperbole and nonsense with some of you. Honestly, from what I recall of your posts you don't seem to be able to be objective.
The AWB incident shouldn't have been a pen but there was a subtle difference to yesterday's which meant it wouldn't be overturned once given. He did move his hand towards the ball which was seemingly enough for them to stay with the refs decision due to clear and obvious bollox which I've said loads of times needs to go. The one yesterday the defender arms are down by his sides and they don't move so that will never be given.
The Garnacho one could have gone either way and wouldn't have been over-ruled either way but it wasn't stonewall for me. The defender gets a touch on the ball and Garnacho seems to look for contact, which everyone does.
I've gone through the Onana vs Ederson loads of times so I'm not really bothering again. The two incidents are very different. Jumping towards someone and connecting with their face is different from both players moving towards each other and a head/shoulder collision. Not sure how that can be argued.
You're taking the piss with the Dalot and Romero ones and it displays a lack of objectivity that you even bother to ask me that question. Clearly both decisions were ridiculous.
Plenty of crappy decisions have been made in our games over the season and there have been wildly inconsistent rulings with similar incidents across the whole season in general, not just in United games. However, if you listen to every fanbase there are a bunch who complain that the refs are out to get them in particular. Look in the blue moon or Rawk threads and there's loads at it.
There is an issue in that the media seem to go in on dodgy ones given in our favour and have a tendency to gloss over ones against us but that's the media and they have their own motivations. That doesn't mean it's a conspiracy against United.
It's fascinating how consistently wrong you manage being, it's like you have lost all touch with reality.
Ffs that's as soft as feck aswell.
You can't see contact in either decision. That's absolutely wild
Man feck Var, what's the point?
Nice work... Thanks for the receipts.
I wouldn't have even thought to use my own posts to defend myself
That's not actually the case. He did move his arm back towards his body, into the path of the ball. Just as AWB did.
Watch it again. He moves his arm back after the ball hits him.
I don't think so
Fair enough but where's the other angle? He's moving his arm backwards which seems to be away from the ball here. Does it conclusively show him moving his arm into the ball's path? From the angle I saw on MOTD his arm was still close to his body when contact was made.
AWB's arms start off away from his body and he does move his arm towards his body and into the path of the ball.
There's a minute but important difference between the two for me, if as suspected for the one yesterday his hand doesn't move towards the ball. However, either way neither should be pens at all but one was given on the pitch and the other wasn't. Neither were overturned because of the clear and obvious rule which has to go.
This is not proof of a conspiracy.
I'd prefer a system where every review was for a possible penalty. Then each decision could be made objectively without have to worry about whether or not you they were over-ruling the ref.
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I've not said there is any conspiracy against us. I said that we have been on wrong side of way to many bad decisions against us that somehow goes by without anything in other games. I don't think that is right and I would like our club to go out with some sort of statement about it. I don't think there is any hyperbole or exaggeration or nonsens about saying that lots of decision are looked at differently. Despite VAR that should be some kind of brilliant technology making things right when it just make things even more worse.
I'm very objective person. However, I also want to point out how similar situations are being judged differently. It is not like I don't think we shouldn't get penalties against us or red cards or anything like that. If we do that I want to see same outcome in other games for other teams. Nothing wrong with that. I don't want to see two identical situations being looked at differently.
Oliver definitely got more than £50 for not seeing that.
I hope the corrupt fekker gets done eventually
We all want consistency obviously and that's fair.
However, this is the exchange which prompted you to reply to me to tell me I shouldn't accuse people of RAWKishness:
Re the bolded, perhaps you didn't read the post I was replying to in full? I took it that you were defending them and therefore agreeing with them. It's that's not what you meant then then fair enough. We can put it down to a misunderstanding.
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I haven't seen onanas pen yet so this isn't a comparions but how is anyone saying that's a foul by ederson?
Hes clattered by the forest player, its a city foul all day
Hes clattered by the forest player, its a city foul all day
Anyone have the Ederson clip today ?
Spot on. And this is such an issue IMO.
They want to reduce diving, yet they give no benefit for trying to stay on your feet. If you are fouled/impeded, then all advantages should go to you.
It's the same with the advantage rule. The ref spots a foul, and then has to make an instant decision as to whether or not there is a benefit for the attacking/innocent team to continue play. and play advantage. So many times, the team that has been fouled ends up conceding possession – usually because the player impeded makes a bad pass.
I think rugby has been guilty of taking things a bit far with the amount of time they allow to see if there is an advantage before they bring it back for the penalty. But at the same time, surely the attacking team should get the benefit of the doubt – they have done no wrong. In football, the referee decides to play on, instead of awarding a definite foul, and then the fouled team loses possesion. Surely if it happens quickly then bring it back for the foul and the free kick – because no advantage was gained.It shouldn't be that you play 'advantage', and then the team loses any advantage.
Clattered? good one.
They're essentially jumping into each other, neither of them are standing still and jumping straight up. Def not a pen
It’s definitely Emerson who wipes out the attacker there.
It's fairly similar to the Onana one to be fair.
Ball in the air, defender, keeper and attacker go for it at the same time. Defender wins the header and keeper clatters the attacker with his fists.
It's a penalty yesterday but not a penalty today.
Just like last week handball was a penalty against Utd but the previous day it wasn't handball against City.
Well, he obviously did see it, he gave the penalty.
Var had to tell him to go look at the monitor
It's because it isn't really similar situations, unless you reduce the situation to "goalkeeper colliding with opposing player after ball is cleared".
Var had to tell him to go look at the monitor
Exactly. Oliver is blatantly NOT doing the job He’s being payed handsomely to do. In addition to his ‘Overtime’ jobs.
VAR bailed him out because he was so utterly incompetent there
only seen the clip. Big obvious difference is Sheffield player was not moving towards Onana, they're not coming together, Onana just mistimed his jump completely and ended up punching him in the face. Here, Forest player seems to move towards Ederson, so it's more of a coming together.
Having said that: from that clip, live play looks a clear penalty, replay makes it seem Forest player goes into Ederson
There's also no face punching in the Ederson incident.
Doesn't seem so but the image isn't clear enough and the guy seems to be holding his face on the ground. I assumed he did
But yes, the whole "hitting people in the face" is indeed the most important aspect of that
Well it could still be a foul without punching him in the face I suppose but it's a coming together for me.
On the other angle it looks like the Forest player's head comes into contact with Ederson's shoulder. He was injured and so didn't come out for the 2nd half and has his arm in a sling which would back that up.
Don't think Onana punched the Burnley player either. He has his hands open.
Var had to tell him to go look at the monitor
Ah, I didn't see that, only saw briefly the highlights when I got home.
Standard from Oliver then, he's absolutely one of the worst refs in the league.
Ok well he made contact with the Burnley player's face with his hands?
Its mad. He was a few feet away looking right at Rice kicking him between the legs.
In both cases the keeper cleaned the attacker out while the defender headed the ball away. As a keeper, I don't really think either should be a penalty, if you go for a ball in the air around that area, you're fair game and you might get smashed. It's part of the game, if you're going to give them for that, then you have to give them for players mistiming headers as well.
Just think it's funny that 2 weeks in a row, 2 incidents, quite similar in nature get given against Utd, but not City.
He was standing next to it and said no penalty . VAR told him to
Look at it
To be fair to Oliver, he WAS going for the ball(s)