Not completely random but random enough for it to be yet another reason watching football now is a much more annoying pastime than it ever used to be. VAR is responsible for whole new ways for football fans to be pissed off that never existed before.
VAR, Refs and Linesmen | General Discussion
- Thread starter Samid
- Start date
Not completely random but random enough for it to be yet another reason watching football now is a much more annoying pastime than it ever used to be. VAR is responsible for whole new ways for football fans to be pissed off that never existed before.
What did you lot make of this last night? Was checked by VAR. Didn’t even get a yellow.
Have you listened to the audio footage they did share? It's fecking chaos. Everyone involved is on the edge of completely losing their shit because they're obvously under mad pressure to come to a decision as quickly as possible. Which obviously is impossible, seeing as leisurely analysis of controversial opinions on MOTD invariably cause disagreements, even after discussing them for several minutes and having all day to form an opinion beforehand. And we can argue about refereeing decision on here for fecking weeks without ever coming to a consensus. Hearing the audio would only wind fans up even more than they are already,
The refs and VAR are learning just how much they shouldn't give decisions against Liverpool. All this talk of recordings being published. I think the recording most neutral fans want to hear most is the Taylor/Dean one from last year. Dean has already admitted he did not tell Taylor to go to the screen because he was his mate. Be very interesting to know what exactly was said at the time.
Same goes with the Villa/Shef Utd no goal. When exactly did they realise? I bet my bottom dollar they saw it but didn't want to go against hawkeye.
Same goes with the Villa/Shef Utd no goal. When exactly did they realise? I bet my bottom dollar they saw it but didn't want to go against hawkeye.
It used to be thinking about extra time with 15 seconds to go. Now I’m panicking and thinking about it from the 80th min on wondering if they are going to throw an extra 10 min on. Go down to ten men and it’s worse.
What is BS about it? I get your point about transparency and don't wholly disagree - but not sure how that relates to the VAR job being an easy one ?(compared to that of normal officiating).
Yup. And it used to be a mild concern that you might only get 2 minutes instead of 6. Now it's a crap shoot between 3 or 4 minutes and a quarter of a fecking hour! Then you have the same frustration and uncertainty every time you watch one of your rivals play. No wonder football fans are all being driven slowly mad and sharing conspiracy theories about match officials being on the payroll of rival clubs.
4 minutes on Saturday was absurd (in the new current climate).
Couldn't have gotten a yellow on a VAR check, could he? Could only check for violent conduct, and therefore red?
Should've got something. Probably yellow but it's hard to assess force and intent with only slow motion footage.
I think this is another issue. That definitely looks intentional, sneaky cheap shot. But as you say, either Red for violent conduct or nothing. Could easily have been red and then it's a 3 game ban, but he gets completely away with it. I do like the Rugby setup, yellow card 10 min sin bin decided fairly quickly, then a dedicated VAR guy examines it further in that 10 minutes and can decide if it needs to be upgraded to a full Red or if the player is good to return after the 10 mins with the yellow card.
I know people will read the above and be thinking, jasus no, more complicated and time being wasted, but can work very slickly, 10 mins, off you go and then they examine it further, more chance of getting to the right decision. I've said it before, stop sending Refs to the Monitor, pointless, they are telling him to change his decision at that point.
Why is it such a scandal and oh so unacceptable when it's Liverpool that are affected.
VAR feck up constantly.
VAR feck up constantly.
The next time we get screwed over by VAR (which is inevitable), we need to demand an apology too. Full club statement, communicado officiale, whatever.
Fair is fair.
Fair is fair.
My point is that having access to strictly more data than the on-field referee (given that he also provides input to the VAR) and more time to make the decision than the on-field referee, will not make the job more difficult.
The only pressure now, is the margin of error is less for them, obviously. But honest errors are still fine. That's why I said that if fans are listening to the VAR ref go through a standard checklist and at some point he says "I cannot conclusively say based on the lines given to me that blah blah happened, so the benefit of the doubt goes to team X as per the rules", no one in the stadium is going to riot. As long as the VAR refs all give roughly the same reasoning for similar incidents throughout a season that's fine.
Just look at so many other sports. See how cricket handles reviews. Yes, it's a slower, methodical process, but that's okay. I don't see why the speed of the decision is somehow more important than the accuracy of the decision or the legitimacy of the reasoning behind them. Plus it won't seem as slow if the fans know what's happening. All this means less pressure on the VAR. They just have to be consistent. If that's difficult, they should spend a lot of time preparing. Repeatedly look at tons of video replays from that season. Look at their own rulings for the season before every game so they can at least be consistent with their own previous calls. If they're already doing this, then they're doing a terrible job of it and need even more work. Of course, putting in more work to improve themselves would mean that they'd have to cut down on free-lancing in the Middle East. We're letting them get away with so much sloppiness with "poor refs, under pressure to make quick decisions".
A VAR ref that wilts under pressure in an air-conditioned room without even being the heat of the match is not fit to be a referee. If that happens, they need more training. The clubs should demand it. Especially precious Liverpool, since they're so hurt. Find a way to pay for more training for the refs. Maybe pay the refs more so they don't have to moonlight in some Middle East league in the middle of the week.
I don't agree. People somehow think the majority of match-going football fans have such little control over their emotions during a match. Not these days.
The media drives the narrative in the country. From refs to FA to PL, everyone is concerned about media narrative.
If they release this audio, every other club will demand the audio for any wrong decision going forward. So this will probably lead the way to mic’d up refs for us to hear in-game.
What would be the problem with that? Just release it to whichever club wants it. They shouldn't even have to ask.
I get the reasoning behind not letting the public hear it (a lot of football fans are utter abusive morons).
They have already released the audio a number of times this season for various incidents.
In the long run this is going to benefit football. It's about time somebody challenged how poorly VAR is being handled.
I'm waiting for Skysports news to announce "BREAKING NEWS - THE AUDIO HAS BEEN RELEASED!"
They will have live reporters out side Anfield too!
They will have live reporters out side Anfield too!
Specsavers mate, that wasn't even hard to spot.
The obvious answer is to separate the refs from VAR. Currently you have a refereeing body who were already seen as inferior and given them control of a piece of technology which directly removes the need for them in many aspects of their job and of which they have no experience of. As such, and no one can really explain why, the matchday ref remains in control and essentially VAR (which is the vastly more qualified entity when you factor in all the tools it has, even with one of the aforementioned refs at the helm) remains a secondary/supporting facet of the game.
VAR should have ultimate say and be the primary referee, there are very few scenarios (genuinely name one) which should take 10 seconds or more. I appreciate offsides can be slower but the new semi automated VAR should fix this although the PL voted against it this season whereas Serie A and La Liga are bringing it in now and next season. They keep changing the rules which confuses players and refs themselves and just seem to make weird calls which give the impression they refuse to admit fault or simply are awful judges of the rules of football.
Let refs ref the game but takeaway responsibilities for cards, stopping play and making calls on handballs, offsides, punishments. VAR can do all this quickly and they have a direct line of communication to the ref to then do as they recommend. No stupid pitch side monitor, the ref is simply there to do the vary basics of the game and then manage the players.
VAR is like a brand new signing for them. It is so obvious they are going to get every decision going forward.
And we are still getting f****** because of the Onana penalty not given and probably will be till the end of the season.
Last edited:
They're protecting their own interests, I suppose.
There’s no problem with that, they’d be entitled to it once the precedent is set later on today. They may as well just have the audio released for every match/decision as the endless ‘Brentford have requested this’ and ‘Chelsea have requested that’ will be so fecking boring.
Boring is good though, when it comes to this kind of thing.
Just release it every game, every week. Keeping it secret from the clubs makes no sense.
I just saw a compilation video of how incorrect offside decisions have cost Liverpool the title on three occasions and the person included the one from the other day as the third
To be fair that is pretty funny.
Honestly. Only Liverpool fans would be so shameless.
I don’t think it’s a red but would be interesting if it were another player, I often feel refs follow a narrative for each game. Giving more leeway for the smaller team with situations like this. Perhaps the ref would’ve booked a Chelsea player for the same
A reason why I suspect 115 Charges FC will get a big fine and nothing else for their blatant cheating. Too big a name to be expelled from the league and would likely hurt the end product for a short term. And that's before any political apparatus attempt to placate their foreign partners.
The feck up alot on decision that came with interpretation or a element of opinion.
This mistake was on a level of its own and they even knew they made a mistake but couldn't even do anything about it.
I think the outrage would be equal for all teams to be honest.
Burn it to the ground. The refs, PGMOL, Dermot Gallacher, Stephen Warnock, the bint with the crap hairdo, VAR, Liverpool FC, and Klopp. Only when you eradicate all of the shit can you start again with a clean slate.
What? How?!
The bottom line is if there wasn’t a process called VAR it just would have been a linesman fecking up and the moaning from us would have been for the day. But because there is VAR and these things are supposed to be 100% fixed the questions continue. If VAR didn’t exist the more shit calls would be made the more the clamoring for VAR would be asked for until inevitably VAR would be introduced. It’s a catch 22. I would gladly take this loss in stride if it meant scrapping VAR.
What? How?!
It's a very weird angle. I should say when I first saw the video, it had no caption so there was no context to it. I remember wondering why that person had bothered to clip and post it. Maybe I do need specsavers though
because watching it again now, knowing exactly what has happened, it's still not easy to spot.We have been just that for seasons now and this one is no different. Shocking decisions against us. And Our club just stay silent. It is so pathetic.
Ofcourse they do. That is why we shouldn’t care at all. They are already hitting is from every side. I would suggest to even ban media from OldTrafford. Who needs who more? Media or club?
So should our club if there was any leader in it. Protect the badge and history of more than 100 years. Protect fans and players.
Ideally yes. I would want the club to call out the media and then ban them. But then we are a PR club nowadays.
Dale Johnson wrote in the VAR review that his arm is natural there (not to mention that there's a movement out towards the ball just as it comes at him). I didn't know Joel Ward was a fecking airplane.
And Dermot Gallagher, the guy who claimed proximity being the reason why Romero's unnatural arm position wasn't given - ie he didn't have time to move his arm out of the way. Here we have an idiot who not just doesn't move his arm out of the way while the ball travels 40 yards, he actually turns his back to the ball and then has it hit a flailing arm, but no such thing applies there.
To those saying it's not a pen and the defender doesn't have any responsibility to make sure the ball doesn't touch his hand (for example by turning his back to the ball). Do you genuinely, hand on heart, believe that if Diogo Dalot had been flailing his arms like that, that the incident would've been omitted from all highlight packages with nothing mentioned of it? I'm fairly sure that if that had been Diogo Dalot doing that, they would've said "you can't turn your back to the ball like that when you have all the time in the world to follow the path of the ball, and as such you have a responsibility to move the arm out of the way as a defender". I also genuinely believe that there'd have been calls for denying an obvious goalscoring opportunity and therefore a red card.