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VAR, Refs and Linesmen | General Discussion
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We’ll see. I don’t think they give a single feck about consistency to be frank.
I do wish we would shut up about that. It was a definite red in real time, replays and stills. Talking about it repeatedly is deflecting away from the real issue: why are English refs so incredibly shit?
Mate, stonewallers against us don't even make the highlights packages anymore. I bet even if we'd been the victims of this offside travesty it wouldn't have been made into anywhere near as big a deal.
If this actually gets overturned I will be furious that we didn't appeal Casemiro's and he missed the Arsenal game.
The red was okay. What’s not okay is four VAR refs not telling Hoover in no uncertain terms that it was a goal in the first place and then him not stopping play and giving the goal when he was told it was onside.
On ref watch they showed three potential handball calls from our match. The Ward one, they then showed an Amrabat one and one of Maguire. Dermot said no handball on all and the others Warnock/Smith agreed.
I don't understand how you can appeal a red card that has already been reviewed and upgraded via VAR.
I guess they don't think much to the integrity of VAR currently.
I think they decided against it because if they did and lost he may have missed the Cup final as well. If the Cup final hadn't been an issue they probably.would have appealed.
I know it's completely different but it really reminded of the no-call in the Saints v Rams game a few years ago.
I like that Liverpool are challanging everything. It is just to late. Recordings should have been taken direct after that situation. We should learn from them.
I understand that but they must have had a good indication it wasn't worth the appeal due to probable rejection.
I can appreciate that, there are plenty of decisions that make me question consistency in regards to penalties and red card tackles. I also question the "Factual" offside decisions that still require a person to pin point body parts whilst using what looks like footage from an early 2000 webcam once used for msn messenger.
They clearly don't give a feck
Thanks for this. Really don't understand how it can be justified one that Ward one isn't handball.
At the risk of being accused of tribalism again; this is also very funny from Liverpool.
I'm a keeper, there's obviously more than a bit of bias on my behalf.
Ha! Fair enough. Believe it or not, so am I!
Used to play football goalie. Currently play field hockey in the same position. By a bit of a coincidence I actually conceded a penalty in a very similar situation on Saturday. Came out to clear a ball but someone nipped across in front of me and got a touch on the ball a fraction of second before I did, so I ended up wiping him out. I had a bit of moan at the time about how the collision wasn’t my fault but, deep down I knew it was the right call.
What needs to happen is a set of guidelines are published that indicates what sort of decision is made. Handball should be distance, angle of shot, how far out from body arms are etc and move from there. We can’t have one penalty one match and not another. No matter how lousy a decision may be, if it ticks all the boxes then make that decision
For that to work we need to condition fans to accept these guidelines for the sake of consistency. Too many times there’s an obvious decision made and the likes of Neville drone on about it as if he has to agree with the decision for it to be correct and that’s just with the obvious examples. If we look at the decision and say there’s no way we could have come to any other conclusion going by these bullet points for the sake of the game then accept it and move on. Too many times fans argue the toss about 50/50 decisions and it’s killing the game for me.
For that to work we need to condition fans to accept these guidelines for the sake of consistency. Too many times there’s an obvious decision made and the likes of Neville drone on about it as if he has to agree with the decision for it to be correct and that’s just with the obvious examples. If we look at the decision and say there’s no way we could have come to any other conclusion going by these bullet points for the sake of the game then accept it and move on. Too many times fans argue the toss about 50/50 decisions and it’s killing the game for me.
Liverpool need to be compensated for the Diaz goal. Maybe they will overturn this red or make it a 1 game ban. I won't be surprised if that happens.
There is no such thing as precedent when it comes to FA decisions. They are all taken randomly and inconsistently. It is not like if a club moans about the hypocrisy, something would happen. Neither the media nor FA cares.
I'm not sure what they are expecting to find here. Some smoking gun where the VAR official admits they fecked up? It seems more like they are just trying to put as much pressure as possible, to make it as uncomfortable as possible. It will play on the minds the next time a less clear decision comes along and it will impact decision making in their favour. It's sneaky, but it will work. We miss a trick by not being tougher when we get dicked by bad decisions, I really think we do.
I wouldn't be surprised if Liverpool were award points for the feck up.
Expect them to get a penalty because someone looked at Salah.
Expect them to get a penalty because someone looked at Salah.
If Liverpool are successful with this appeal it will set a dangerous precedent for the FA. The red card was by no means a wrong decision, though one could argue Jones was perhaps unlucky.
You think? I mean it should be rejected. As the Casemiro red would have been. Both were obvious, indisputable red cards. But I’d say there’s a very high chance of Liverpool being thrown a bone because of the offside cock up.
As usual, but not unexpected there’s a massive overreaction from Liverpool. When it all boils down, it cost them 1 goal, not 1 point, not 2 goals, not a title but a goal.
There’s been numerous examples already this season where a team has been disallowed a goal where you look and think the circumstances really don’t call for it (I’m thinking Burnley v Forest most recently) it doesn’t matter whether it’s negligence or incompetence, the cost to Liverpool and other clubs is the same, one goal.
But - we know why they’re doing it, we need to prepare ourselves for another 4 months of Salah acting like Woody from Toy Story gaining penalties, their statement will rest heavy with referees and you know they’ll get even more of the 50/50 than they already get.
This is a liverool team that we’re irrelevant in the league for 20 years and still ended up with the most penalties given and have the cheek to talk about decisions…
There’s been numerous examples already this season where a team has been disallowed a goal where you look and think the circumstances really don’t call for it (I’m thinking Burnley v Forest most recently) it doesn’t matter whether it’s negligence or incompetence, the cost to Liverpool and other clubs is the same, one goal.
But - we know why they’re doing it, we need to prepare ourselves for another 4 months of Salah acting like Woody from Toy Story gaining penalties, their statement will rest heavy with referees and you know they’ll get even more of the 50/50 than they already get.
This is a liverool team that we’re irrelevant in the league for 20 years and still ended up with the most penalties given and have the cheek to talk about decisions…
Only if you assume they will apply consistency.
Well, yes obviously as it is not an AI based system. Nonetheless the amount of big mistakes is ridiculous and it has to get better otherwise we might as well go back to old way of having just a pair of eyes.
I actually think we should have appealed Casemiro’s red on these grounds:
True, the Goff facemask no call resulted in the Rams kicking a field goal versus scoring a touchdown.
The pushback because it's Liverpool is extremely dumb.It should not be about Liverpool,nor about Spurs but about trying to fix this mess. We should be happy it happened to Liverpool because it will make things move faster for everyone else (on top of being very funny). If it happened between Everton and Luton it would not get the necessary momentum for things to change.
The Jones one was just as much of a red as the Gusto one last week. If they take the Curtis red back, it will be open season for all sorts of challenges and people saying Liverpool get unfair treatment.
The releasing of audio, would be good, but only because it would set a precedent that it needs to be done week in and week out. Tbh, I am not so sure what they're going on about the Sheff Utd no goal call against Villa 3 years ago was a much worse call.
The releasing of audio, would be good, but only because it would set a precedent that it needs to be done week in and week out. Tbh, I am not so sure what they're going on about the Sheff Utd no goal call against Villa 3 years ago was a much worse call.
Love it how no-one gave a feck when Luton got screwed over 4 times already but pgmol will sacrifice their kids in an attempt to apologise to Liverpool 
The FA doesn't care what clubs or fans say. The media will need to moan about the hypocrisy for FA to save face. And media picks and chooses its moaning.
Honestly, it's embarrassing. Liverpool definitely gets special treatment from the press, Scousers are also good at leaning into the victim mentality. Rivalries aside, many teams get robbed all the time and nothing happens. Why is change, replaying the game, and suing now being suggested? Because it's Liverpool. With all the decisions that have gone Liverpool's way over the last few years, I think this balances things out.Love it how no-one gave a feck when Luton got screwed over 4 times already but pgmol will sacrifice their kids in an attempt to apologise to Liverpool
The problems are obvious, the PL has a lack of quality refs. It doesn't seem that the English can do anything right in football because foreign refs would improve the quality massively. Instead of improving, people in this country just blame the technology because it's a shield against their incompetence. Female refs are better quality as well, when are they going to come into the men's game more often?
I bet the ref was gutted when Matip scored the OG, I think Liverpool could have lived with a draw all things considered.
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Of course the Scouse get apologies and milk it. Where have our apologies been? The media are still acting as if the Onana incident offsets everything else. Ridiculous pandering to the most entitled fanbase in sport.
The explanation is so bizarre. VAR exists to correct incorrect decisions, but it couldn't intervene here to stop the game when it restarted and explain the error that had occurred? Did they pop out for a bit of dinner right after the decision and didn't know what happened after?
And if the red gets overturned, it will just compound the absolute farce of it all. I think there's a bit of siege mentality in the red appeal because to me it looked like a terrible tackle, irregardless of intent or malice. It was a genuine leg-breaker, reckless by Jones and Bissouma is lucky his studs weren't planted and he could absorb the impact.
I can't see how Klopp thinks anything will come of that appeal except mounting pressure on the officials to highlight the overall ineptitude we see week in, week out.
If VAR don't release the audio form the spurs Liverpool game, I'll genuinely start to believe in conspiracy theories