Very true, I was out of line and edited my comment. Soz.
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Very true, I was out of line and edited my comment. Soz.
The mindset of "okay, so a goal is scored. Hang tight whilst we spend a couple of minutes scrutinising everything that happened in the build up to try and find something so we can rule it out" that is the reality of VAR, needs to be challenged more.
Thanks.
Slightly funny because it was against Liverpool, but that offside call yesterday is probably as bad as it can get.
VAR in my mind is literally one of the easiest jobs you can get in football, you basically just need to watch something back on a screen and make a decision. Sometimes the issue will be subjective, but most of the time it will be a black or white decision and there’s really no excuse for an error like there was yesterday. Just fecking get rid of it if that’s how it’s going to end up.
VAR in my mind is literally one of the easiest jobs you can get in football, you basically just need to watch something back on a screen and make a decision. Sometimes the issue will be subjective, but most of the time it will be a black or white decision and there’s really no excuse for an error like there was yesterday. Just fecking get rid of it if that’s how it’s going to end up.
Lino flag does not matter, its the ref who decides.
Ofcourse they are. When it comes to decisions going against us, referees are rewarded with new games. This is how rules are applied different when it comes to us.
I can't speak.
Some of the stuff coming out about the refereeing team being over in UAE to referee on a Thursday evening game is insanity.
Surely that's a conflict of interest? At best, you've got to question their condition to be involved again so soon after.
Surely that's a conflict of interest? At best, you've got to question their condition to be involved again so soon after.
God knows why any league would headhunt our referees, given they're renowned as being so bad they didn't even get asked to the world cup not so long ago.
I totally agree with you on this and I have been saying something very similar.
It is important to remember that the offside law completely predates VAR. And it was never intended to come down to millimetres of accuracy. So VAR is one of those unintended consequences.
And it is completely ruining the spontaneous celebrations of scoring and goal.
In my opinion (which counts for bugger all), there should be a Confidence Factor implemented. And if the VAR line that is drawn shows an offside of less than a specific value, say 50mm or something like that, then the goal should stand.
Because whatever they claim, it can not be guaranteed to be 100% accurate.
The clubs should pull together and submit a letter to the FA that they have no confidence in PGMOL’s capability in officiating a game and refuse to play unless they either remove VAR from games, or replace the cohort of referees running it. The whole system needs to be looked at and reset.
Spot on.
Before VAR, when offside was being decided by human eye of the linesman and referee, the benefit of doubt should have gone to the attacking team.
Now with VAR, the benefit of doubt has swung to the defending team.
The offside law was originally intended to stop goal poaching. Not that I could really see a problem with that.
It was most certainly never intended to become what it has become. An inaccurate way of cancelling out a goal.
This is the Serie A match I mentioned on page 207. Four minutes had passed by before replay changed everything. I don't buy into the "well, Spurs had taken the free kick, so can't change it now." Maybe it's in the rules but that should be changed going forward if so.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/8446354/fiorentina-penalty-var-spal-serie-a-italy/
--Luca Pairetto's decision to award a penalty for the foul automatically rendered everything that followed in the next four minutes, including the goal, null and void.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...L-goal-award-Fiorentina-penalty-decision.html
--The decision, which came more than four minutes after the foul, made everything that had followed null and void, including Valoti's goal.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/8446354/fiorentina-penalty-var-spal-serie-a-italy/
--Luca Pairetto's decision to award a penalty for the foul automatically rendered everything that followed in the next four minutes, including the goal, null and void.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...L-goal-award-Fiorentina-penalty-decision.html
--The decision, which came more than four minutes after the foul, made everything that had followed null and void, including Valoti's goal.
Yep, totally agree. I don’t even celebrate our goals anymore because I know they’ll find an excuse to check it no matter what. And once they check it, the purpose is to find a reason to disallow it.
That's a good point. I also don't trust them to be good enough to re-calibrate for the level and pace of the PL if they're regularly refereeing in a low quality league before a PL game.
Difficult if you're tired from all the world-wide refereeing you're paid to do.
That option would be insanity. At least with VAR around they've to invent new ways of screwing up like "I wasn't watching the one thing I'm paid to watch". Plus with VAR, they're grown more complacent and even sloppier than before because there's some kind of safety net. If you remove the safety net suddenly, these clowns would wreak even more havoc.
That's already in place. Right now if the lines they draw show a player is offside but the lines overlap, benefit of the doubt is given to the attacker.
That's what it means when the image they show has a single green, like the below, instead of the two red and blue lines.
I for one was perfectly comfortable with Saudi owned Newcastle fan Michael Oliver being paid a premium to referee in the Saudi league last season. I also thought it was perfectly normal that Saudi owned Newcastle fan Michael Oliver was selected to referee the Top 4 rival’s Manchester United’s match during the run in last season.
In football, any debatable calls are greeted with demands for sackings and screams of corruption so they can't just say boo hoo
lt shouldn't be allowed but it's a bit flattering to Liverpool to think that they'd be such a threat to City they'd need to pay refs to look the other way.
And then they'd repeat the process in a year when they don't like the new system/batch of referees and again the year after that.
Definitely a conflict of interest.
So then what? They just don't give a damn?
Agree, as you see those given all the time
What is?
I never believed that City's illegal activities just stopped at financial doping.
So city bribing the officials ?
Saw that in the Wolves game. United have been screwed on several occations this season and now Liverpool
Mistake admitted before the day was done. Yet no mistake has been acknowledged over romeo hand ball. Or the garnacho offside where the wrong camera angle was used and defenders head not taken into account for us.
Yet Klopp has mentioned us yet again when a decision goes against him. I dunno how we can be screwed more than we are being currently since wolves but no doubt the klopp effect will happen
An increasing amount of conspiracy-thought has unfortunately bled into football, with fans convinced that referees are biased against their club specifically. Allowing this sort of conflict of interest only helps fuel that. It's also unfair on the officials themselves, who then have their integrity questioned.
Oh boy, the amount of decisions Liverpool are going to get in their favour for the rest of the season.
This is just getting bigger and bigger. So now you got referees going over and refereeing games playing in countries that actually owns football clubs in England?
There are so many questions now that Premier League needs to handle when it comes to referees and VAR. People need transparency. People needs answers.
This is like the media outcry the other week when United got robbed. Who doesn't remember the noice??
Exactly. That is why it is important to mention our games and never leave them out of discussion.
Let’s not forget that VAR is pouring fuel on this dumpster fire. It’s a technology that was rolled out as a way to remove human error from officiating, which means that the cause for unfair/incorrect decisions inevitably ends up being attributed to corruption instead.
I laughed out loud at a thing on the internet. Bravo.
That's already in place. Right now if the lines they draw show a player is offside but the lines overlap, benefit of the doubt is given to the attacker.
That's what it means when the image they show has a single green, like the below, instead of the two red and blue lines.
Ok thanks for this.
I must have missed this because it normally shows a single white line. But take your point.
I couldn't see this level of media reaction had this happened to any other club. Everyone must cry for Liverpool.
It's the power of the media. If Semedo had been Maguire handling a goalbound Wolves effort, and Jose Sa had done what Onana did, we'd be hearing about how Sa 'had been a bit clumsy' in a 'coming together' but how Maguire 'had got away with murder denying a certain Wolves goal'.
No-one focusses on the fact that Semedo saved a Rashford header because he's some nondescript Wolves player and Onana is a big name.
Ever since that controversy, which lasted a week, we've been screwed every which way by the refs because no-one wants to be seen to be favouring us.
I've maintained the use of var has been worse especially since Howard Webb took control.
And it's either the refs are so inept that they are making obvious mistakes or they are doing it on purpose to try and make people want var abolished.
The latter is obvious conspiracy theory territory. But the first option is more like it.
And it doesn't help that you have ex refs spinning in circles to try and cover for them when they are hired to give their thoughts.
That one bt sport hired who would always agree with a refs decision and then when it was over turned, try and say oh yeah that's correct.
Dermot Gallagher another useless one and it doesn't help when they aren't pressed by hosts for the obvious bollocks
Var was never meant to eliminate every single error but it should have helped reduce it.
The arrogance of the premier league to not have the technology used in the world cup says a lot (if this was voted by the league clubs then they have to accept it).
And it's either the refs are so inept that they are making obvious mistakes or they are doing it on purpose to try and make people want var abolished.
The latter is obvious conspiracy theory territory. But the first option is more like it.
And it doesn't help that you have ex refs spinning in circles to try and cover for them when they are hired to give their thoughts.
That one bt sport hired who would always agree with a refs decision and then when it was over turned, try and say oh yeah that's correct.
Dermot Gallagher another useless one and it doesn't help when they aren't pressed by hosts for the obvious bollocks
Var was never meant to eliminate every single error but it should have helped reduce it.
The arrogance of the premier league to not have the technology used in the world cup says a lot (if this was voted by the league clubs then they have to accept it).