The Rasmus incident. You seen them given plenty of times and if the roles had of been reversed yesterday there'd have been a meltdown from the usual suspects in the media and would be banging on about it for most of the international break
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They're very different challenges.
I think we could have had a penalty but it wasn't stonewall one imo. It's not a criticism of the team but some times I think appealing a decision more vocally or visibly might have made the VAR take a longer look at it. From what I remember on the commentary, the VAR check was rapid.
For the offside why don't they have a special pitch side camera? Why do they use the fecking broadcast angle? Seems ludicrous to me.
It's not the angle that's different here, it's the frame at which we've assumed Casemiro released the ball.
But I do think we need a margin of error that gives the benefit of the doubt to the attacker. This either means a thicker pair of lines, or a wider range of frames, or both.
Which makes VAR even more pointless. It has taken away the emotions of watching the game and there are still discussions after each game. Just admit you were wrong and get rid of the f..ing thing!
VAR masterclass once again. Managed to get every big decision wrong. No red for Saka. Not booking Havertz for a dive. Using the wrong camera angle for an offside check for Garnacho's goal. Not reviewing Gabriel's tactical foul on Hojlund. Missing Gabriel's foul on Evans which led to Rice's goal. It's quite impressive to get that much wrong.
The angle is different to the one VAR used to draw the lines. They drew the lines from the defender's shoulder (because of the bad angle) even though the better angle would show that his head is the closest part to the goal. It's impossible to lean forward like the defender did and have his shoulder be in front of his head.
When football has got to the stage where a perfectly good goal like yesterdays pre VAR is being ruled out for an attackers shoulder or knee being offside. Then we've lost sight of the reason Offside was introduced in the first place, it was to stop goal hanging not to rule out goals like yesterdays. There should be clear daylight between the attacker and defender and the attacker should get the advantage.
And even those lines are not clear. From that angle it looks like Gabriel's shoulder is the furtherest part of his body, but from the other angle his head is further and playing Garnacho onside. Plus it could be argued they've went off Garnacho's elbow instead of his shoulder.
I mean on what fecking planet is this an offside?
Bah! I fecking hate VAR it hasn't improved the game at all. It's just added another layer of incompetence.
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cnuts know what they're at, just like the Casemiro reds last season they know which angle to use to get the desired decision.
He'll be just like dopey Dermot, he'll rarely disagree with his Ref mates. As you say pointless to have either of them on.
Already so over fecking VAR and the seasons only 4 matches in.
Looked like a Pen to me too but I don't bother even getting upset any more or expecting us to get awarded Penalties, as we're denied so many stonewalls every season. The odd time we do get one it's a surprise bonus.
Shirt pulling during corner kick get whistled all the time, even for the slight contact.
But ref must spot it, VAR rarely calls for it.
When football has got to the stage where a perfectly good goal like yesterdays pre VAR is being ruled out for an attackers shoulder or knee being offside. Then we've lost sight of the reason Offside was introduced in the first place, it was to stop goal hanging not to rule out goals like yesterdays. There should be clear daylight between the attacker and defender and the attacker should get the advantage.
And even those lines are not clear. From that angle it looks like Gabriel's shoulder is the furtherest part of his body, but from the other angle his head is further and playing Garnacho onside. Plus it could be argued they've went off Garnacho's elbow instead of his shoulder.
I mean on what fecking planet is this an offside?
Bah! I fecking hate VAR it hasn't improved the game at all. It's just added another layer of incompetence.
The more I see this, the angrier I get. Complete and utter bullshit. If, in any other profession, you make these mistakes, you're losing your job.
I cant look at the offside, Saka red and Hojlund penalty without getting mad. Its like its one rule for one and another for others.
Reffing in the country is worse than ever.
Reffing in the country is worse than ever.
Not true
Saka red card. Same Ref. But players treated differently.
And the whole world doesn't shut up about how unjust it is.
So are the FA going to apologise to ten Hag or fine him? The silence is deafening.
Penalty all day long I don't know how anyone can say otherwise.
Ten Hag needs to call this out even if it results in a touchline ban. These cnuts are just taking the p**s now. All because of ABU cnuts in the media pushing a false narrative about us getting decesions
Ten Hag needs to call this out even if it results in a touchline ban. These cnuts are just taking the p**s now. All because of ABU cnuts in the media pushing a false narrative about us getting decesions
Zero attempt to play the ball while taking the person who was in possession completely out of the game. If that isn't a foul then I don't know what is anymore.
The refs haven't got a fecking clue, they need replacing with AI so there's consistency in the game and no bias
It wasn't a red card, it wasn't a foul on Evans, the offside law is infuriating bollocks that everyone has to deal with but it does look like Hojlund maybe should've had a penalty. If ref gives it it certainly doesn't get overturned.
One bad decision, one bad law.
That's my shite take anyway.
One bad decision, one bad law.
That's my shite take anyway.
The penalty incident is nowhere near as egregious than having a goal chalked off because of where they decided to draw lines on a blurred image. To be honest i think it's a bit annoying they're even being spoken of in the same breath. It muddies the water between something that's a clear outrage and something that's an objective decision.
Slowing down instances of contact that happen in real time and deciding to act based on how it looks in superslow motion is just another way VAR is shit.
Focus needs to be on the offside. The usual fan thing of not having watched a game in 30 years where we don't think we should won a penalty and had an opposition player sent off is letting VAR off the hook. The grievance is clear and strong with the offside and it needs to lead to change to how the rules are implemented
"I thinks..." based on replays of other instances in the game aren’t even of the same order of importance.
Slowing down instances of contact that happen in real time and deciding to act based on how it looks in superslow motion is just another way VAR is shit.
Focus needs to be on the offside. The usual fan thing of not having watched a game in 30 years where we don't think we should won a penalty and had an opposition player sent off is letting VAR off the hook. The grievance is clear and strong with the offside and it needs to lead to change to how the rules are implemented
"I thinks..." based on replays of other instances in the game aren’t even of the same order of importance.
Agree with all of your shite take. Not a red card because contact is with his foot, rather than higher up his leg.
Shock horror, Dermot Gallagher and co on Sky Sports saying all decisions were correct yesterday 
'Gabriel stands his ground'
INCIDENT: Rasmus Hojlund goes down in the area under a challenge from Gabriel. Should a penalty have been awarded?
DERMOT SAYS: There's physical contact but the defender is just too strong. Hojlund pushes the ball too far and Gabriel holds his ground, he doesn't do anything wrong.
You see this all the time and I'd have been stunned if Anthony Taylor had given anything for it.
This man is seriously deluded...
INCIDENT: Rasmus Hojlund goes down in the area under a challenge from Gabriel. Should a penalty have been awarded?
DERMOT SAYS: There's physical contact but the defender is just too strong. Hojlund pushes the ball too far and Gabriel holds his ground, he doesn't do anything wrong.
You see this all the time and I'd have been stunned if Anthony Taylor had given anything for it.
This man is seriously deluded...
That show infuriates me, you've got a former ref and a die hard scouser chuckling away at how the decisions were "correct"Shock horror, Dermot Gallagher and co on Sky Sports saying all decisions were correct yesterday
The worst thing about that is they just take his word as gospel and never ever push back or interrogate it even when what he’s saying is obviously completely illogical or inconsistent with what he said the week before.Shock horror, Dermot Gallagher and co on Sky Sports saying all decisions were correct yesterday
It amazes me that Sky and BT pay these people for their opinions. Who actually gets anything from watching them just agree with everything the ref does?
Especially that ape-faced loser Martin Keown. He would have thrown feces all over the BBC studio for the second time in 8 days if the penalty was given.
This is where the proposal for amending the offside rule would make things clearer through the notion of a definite daylight between striker and last defender. I read that is it being tested in Italy, Netherlands and Sweden. But at the same time, I swear that the Premier League must upgrade its VAR support software to match FIFA's 3D scan of the entire pitch used in 2 World Cups now. You can't rely on an obsolete program time and time again.
cnuts know what they're at, just like the Casemiro reds last season they know which angle to use to get the desired decision.
One set of English-speaking commentators even said straight away that Gabriel's head was the bit that kept Garnacho onside. Seeing it now makes me feel even angrier.
As for Saka, that was worse than Casemiro's red card against So'ton last season.
After making the rounds on various social media, I agree with one thing in particular: United needs to be far more ferocious in publicly calling out shit officiating in the same manner that Pep and Klopp have done for years now.
But fortunately for the Refs they are in one of the very few industries where the people who decide whether or not they're doing their job properly. Is other members of their private little chum club that all stick up for each other.
Something has to change, with the amount of money at stake these days results of matches can't come down to some feckwit deciding where to place lines. VAR was supposed to make the standards of officiating better, help the referees, make the game fairer and have less decisions come down to refereeing mistakes. But in my eyes all it's done is make things worse, because the Refs are not using it with the good of the game in mind, they are only begrudgingly using it. But doing so in a way to protect their mates from embarassment.
The whole thing needs stripped down and rebuilt from the ground up. The refs on VAR should have no connection or interactions with the refs on the pitch.
Silence in media tells you everything about ABUism. How we are treated by VAR and refs tells you everything about ABUism.
I still can't believe that our club is so afraid of making official complaint about anti ManUtd refereeing we are all seeing. There is no club in the world who would accept this. This is beyond tactics, players and everything else and will keep going because our club is just letting itself being bullied. Club needs to protect its name. It needs to protect manager. It needs to proctect players.
I still can't believe that our club is so afraid of making official complaint about anti ManUtd refereeing we are all seeing. There is no club in the world who would accept this. This is beyond tactics, players and everything else and will keep going because our club is just letting itself being bullied. Club needs to protect its name. It needs to protect manager. It needs to proctect players.
cnuts know what they're at, just like the Casemiro reds last season they know which angle to use to get the desired decision.
It’s pretty clear he’s onside. We got robbed.
If this result was reversed and Arsenal got the offside and penalty shout denied and then we won the game, there would be a media meltdown. PGMOL would have already issued a written apology to Arsenal. As it is, crickets.
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Yeah god forbid United get the benefit of a decision correct or otherwise.
Kinda unlucky that Saka slipped tbh. Not a red
But It's Anthony Taylor, he loves controversion. Last UEL final he got plenty of it, without British mates defending him. More of a joke ABU media saying he's United fan because he's from Manchester but ignore the fact, that United gotten most red cards from him
