What a stupid comment.
Edit: Now I understand why its a stupid comment seeing which club you support.
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Edit: Now I understand why its a stupid comment seeing which club you support.
For me the reason Saka's wasn't a red was because it wasn't incredibly high, wasn't at full force and he was in the process of being fouled as he committed the offence. He did stick his foot out in a reckless manner but the fact he was getting bundled to the floor exacerbated it. I think the ref was right to take that into account and a yellow was the right decision.
Every team that hasn’t had success in a while feels the same way. Incompetent reffing always gets magnified by supporters of teams that aren’t doing well. ETH might speak out about it but he hasn’t learned to be a prick yet. He needs to make headlines by being over the top to make a difference. Its not right but that’s the way it goes in this league.
You're aware that this charge could simply be reversed and directed at you, no? It always amazes me how people are highly adept at identifying cognitive bias in others, and can't seemingly acknowledge that they themselves might be doing the same.
The issue in this case is that post he's quoting is, objectively, idiotic.
My issue with VAR is they say they dont want to re-referee a game. Erm why not? The officials want players to be calm no matter what happens even if they make obvious bad decisions. Its an impossible situation from a players perspective.
Last week Rashford gets booked for getting angry AFTER the ref makes an obvious bad decision against him. In that moment, why couldn't the VAR official radio in to the ref and say "Hey mate, you made a mistake there. Rashford didn't foul anyone, the Notts players run into each other so maybe you should take the card back, because he is right to feel hard done by". Why shouldn't Rashford feel hard done by in that situation, and why should he get punished for the refs mistake?
VAR should be there to correct EVERY wrong/bad decision from the ref.
Last week Rashford gets booked for getting angry AFTER the ref makes an obvious bad decision against him. In that moment, why couldn't the VAR official radio in to the ref and say "Hey mate, you made a mistake there. Rashford didn't foul anyone, the Notts players run into each other so maybe you should take the card back, because he is right to feel hard done by". Why shouldn't Rashford feel hard done by in that situation, and why should he get punished for the refs mistake?
VAR should be there to correct EVERY wrong/bad decision from the ref.
Ok. Then you lost because of the refs. Not because of your defending. Which one is it?
At this point the "outrage" at VAR is just tiring. The job is impossible. Almost every decision splits fans. The media is horrendous and it feels like they are only interested in perpetuating animosity.
The fact that there were so many close decisions and all, but one, went against us, adds to an incredibly frustrating day. Add in the garbage apology after wolves, the handball at Spurs and the Forest complaints, it's hard not to feel aggrieved. That said, there were no clear "wrong" decisions against us yesterday.
The offside lines aren't 100% accurate, but it's the best system we have and it's a lot more accurate than a linesman.
The fact that there were so many close decisions and all, but one, went against us, adds to an incredibly frustrating day. Add in the garbage apology after wolves, the handball at Spurs and the Forest complaints, it's hard not to feel aggrieved. That said, there were no clear "wrong" decisions against us yesterday.
The offside lines aren't 100% accurate, but it's the best system we have and it's a lot more accurate than a linesman.
Came across an article on VAR (ABU), just noticed why EtH was so pissed.
Better positioning than the lines man.
Better positioning than the lines man.
It’s a mess though, it’s tiring. It’s not definitively offside, they could’ve redrawn the lines from multiple frames and multiple angles and half of them would’ve said onside and half would’ve said off. So why is it decided to be offside? The view that’s parallel to it sure looks onside. They really need to rethink this.
Maybe have three officials looking independently and they vote on it. Don’t even draw lines, just show a parallel angle and say yes or no. Cause the way it is now, I’d almost rather they just went back to letting the on-field linesman decide whether to put his flag up or not.
Not even worthy of a VAR review? I mean what's the point of referee and VAR when they can't even get the basic right?
12 years old school boy could easily get this right.
We used to have this. It was called “linesmen”. Sure, they got it wrong sometimes but if the flag was down the goal stood. No endless replays and one could celebrate a goal instead of waiting for it to be disallowed for whatever reason. I honestly cannot fathom why any football fan would like to keep VAR.
Surprise, surprise. All the media somehow state that it was a right offside call without any shadow of doubt. For me, it looks 100% onsite.
Saka is England's golden boy. He gets the same benefit of the doubt that Shearer and Kane got.
He’s got to be taking the piss. He’s happy to call this but not the Hojlund one?
We still used to have instances of celebrating a goal before anyone realised the flag was up.
Don't let perfect be the enemy of good. With VAR and lines, players don't get awarded for being a yard offside. They also don't get penalised for being a yard onside. That is more accurate than what we had before.
Same same. VAR has made football a much less enjoyable sport to watch. Even when you’re watching on TV and get to see the actual replays. Infinitely more annoying for those in the stadium. I find it utterly bizarre that so many fans would defend a change that makes a sport they follow because they enjoy watching it, less enjoyable to watch. WTF?
Changes nothing.
All I see is him drawing the line straight through Gabriel's head then over the ambiguous arm/shoulder area of Garnacho. To say nothing of the ambiguity of when the ball actually leaves Case's foot, which is impossible to tell with the resolution used.
Point is, with the angles and resolutions they have available, there's no way to make a definitive call with potential marginal offsides like that. It's not a problem unique to United, but that doesn't make it any less frustrating.
Great work. However. Try now doing it correctly when ball is actually released and not when it is already under way.
It is no offside. Everybody knows that.
They did when it happened, can't remember who was commentating but they both said it should have been a pen to Luton
Maybe I'm wrong (it's a pretty blurry image) but the ball looks to have already left the passer's boot in that frame.
It’s definitely not the frame where his foot makes contact. That’s for sure. The fact they have chosen that frame rather than the actual frame tells you all you need to know.
Nah I mean since the final whistle
Carragher and Neville insisted it should have been given post match, Neville in particular.
https://www.skysports.com/watch/vid...746/neville-its-an-absolute-stonewall-penalty
Let’s not pretend that the linesmen were any better or didn’t give their fair share of nightmare calls as well. I am not advocating for no VAR. It’s still a net positive, but some rules need to be looked at.
I'll check that out. I watched the Sky Sports highlights after the match and read the BBC report and it wasn't on either.
Regardless, we would have missed the penalty anyway
Is it a net positive?
I thought it was until this season started. We're barely a month in and we've had a ridiculous number of VAR controversies, as well as former VAR official and PL referee Mike Dean admitting that he has deliberately made incorrect decisions.
At least without it you could just chalk it up to human error not seeing it as it happened. Now we're being asked to chalk it up to human error despite them having unlimited slow motion replays and freeze frames to help them make the correct call.
I'll check that out. I watched the Sky Sports highlights after the match and read the BBC report and it wasn't on either.
Regardless, we would have missed the penalty anyway
Yes there definitely wasn't much of a fuss in general in the media, but fair play to those two who spoke out about it.
Sky also asked Rob Edwards about it in their post match interview with him but he wasn't even aware of the incident.
Yeah I thought he would be livid but he only saw a frame.
And we’re supposed to accept all the delays and general bollockology that comes with VAR without the big decisions being consistently fair/correct.
I couldn’t give a shite if they are more often correct than they were before VAR (they probably are) because of the the way VAR has a) spoiled the experience of watching live sport and b) ongoing refereeing errors are much less forgivable than they were before VAR.
I get it, the people with the lawnmower are perfect at lines and they are the perfect indicators of trigonometry?
I feel it’s sad that I didn’t even celebrate garnachos goal as I knew there was a 5 minute check coming. Gone are the days of glancing to see where the linesman’s flag is then going ape shit with joy. VAR has killed it and the only thing people can say for it is some kind of ‘net’ positive. feck that.
I never watch after the match TBH
Luton are not often in the PL so I literally try to watch and read everything after the games
Except it wasn't a head kick, close maybe but no contact to his head
Fair enough but I'm watching the US feed and there's no way you wanna listen to that shite!Luton are not often in the PL so I literally try to watch and read everything after the games