Ridiculous.
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Ridiculous.
Was an awful decision. Should have been overturned on the pitch!
It's hilarious that calls get overturned in the var era. But not surprising. The amount of horrific decisions we've had in the prem in just 2 weeks is crazy. And then you have guys like Dermot Gallagher trying to defend the non Romero handball call as well. The whole system needs a reset.
Casemiro was sent off for less. Had to serve a 3 match ban.
Also last season Fabinho almost broke someone's leg, wasn't sent off and couldn't be retrospectively punished because "ref and VAR saw it and didn't think it was a red". Well ref and VAR thought this one was a red card so why on earth are they allowed to retrospectively overturn it?
So they’ve set the bar so high that BAR can’t even overturn decisions so obvious that the FA themselves have to step in?
Tomiyasu next then? Or is it only possible to overturn straight red cards? The poor guy got two wrongful yellow cards! 
Nobody is surprised.
Our club need to be stronger and appeal decisions and mostly go out with hard fact statement about how we are being treated. Pretty much every of our rivals are getting decisions for them. It is like we want everybody to bully us.
Cue Liverpool getting soft penalties and no bookings for the rest of the season.
oh, wait…
oh, wait…
There was a consensus that Casemiro’s ban would be increased if United appealed
It was a ridiculous decision to begin with. Right decision to overturn it.
"We have VAR now so no overturns"
I mean he came in late and fairly high and his studs made contact high up on the shin. I wouldn't have given a red card for it since the leg of the other player wasn't planted, but given that it was given as red and VAR checked and didn't overturn it, what exactly is the rationale for overturning the ban?
They threatened to extend it (and thus missing the cup final) if we appealed.
They didn't do that. The frivolous appeal thing hasn't been a thing for the last decade. It's just something that's still stuck in the collective consciousness of football fans due to Rio Ferdinand's ban being extended in, what, 2011?
The argument for the extension was that the process was much slower back then, so clubs could use that process to avoid players getting banned until later on (in our case, allowing Ferdinand to take part in the next game against City). Nowadays, an appeal is handled much quicker so clubs can't delay bans by appealing, thus no need for the threat of extending the ban.
Linekar and the rest of the MOTD mob would never have disputed the red card handed to Mac Allister had it been a Utd player! They almost set the narrative and the 'independent FA' always obliges the following week!
Yet they wouldn’t do anything about Casemiro’s wrongful dismissal because it was a second yellow and they can’t be overruled for…reasons?
It’s about time United put a reel together of all the dodgy decisions and penalties denied ever since Klopp had his rant about United.
Can you imagine a United manager singling Liverpool out for similar criticism? It’s a disgrace
Can you imagine a United manager singling Liverpool out for similar criticism? It’s a disgrace
Wasn't there something about a red only being overturned if it was deemed to not even be a yellow?
Not getting 2 extra games for violent conduct and limiting it to 1 game is one thing.. they have started overturning it?
Not getting 2 extra games for violent conduct and limiting it to 1 game is one thing.. they have started overturning it?
Yea I thought this was a thing. Hardly surprising Liverpool being treated more favourably to anyone. Plus klopp will use this as further evidence they are always the victims
Where was this consensus? Please don't say "on this forum" and claim that's why we didn't appeal!
If we were convinced we were right, we should've appealed instead of wimping out, finals be damned.
I'm starting to hate how RAWKish our fans are becoming with this sob story about Utd being victimized and Liverpool being favoured by the refs.
Only if it is applied across all clubs.
You can’t blame Klopp for trying to get the red overturned by complaining. united used to do it but now they don’t. Mgrs need to be vocal like Klopp if they intend to bring attention to the absolute ineptness off the current state of refereeing.
The refereeing have been abysmal so far. It's really quite hard to enjoy the game these days.
I do sort of miss the old days before VAR. Yup there were bad calls back then but the game didn't evolve around the referee. I kind of feel like their presence is too much.
I do sort of miss the old days before VAR. Yup there were bad calls back then but the game didn't evolve around the referee. I kind of feel like their presence is too much.
We do complain, it’s just that they change rules when we finally get a decision so how can we win?
Our captain gets booked for approaching the ref when the rules state he should approach the ref on behalf of his teammates.
What’s the point? You don’t undermine your own refs when the chance is there to publicly back their decisions with the publicity United brings
It's even more frustrating when two refs with video technology can't get a simple decision right.
The ref should be sent to the monitor to check both the Liverpool pen and red card. If he's standing by his original calls he shouldn't be a PL ref and gets demoted.
The ref should be sent to the monitor to check both the Liverpool pen and red card. If he's standing by his original calls he shouldn't be a PL ref and gets demoted.
Your management needs to get involved. Not the players. Instead of fans thinking of bringing posters looking for apologies, bring banners demanding your club get more involved. ETH seems ruthless enough with the players so he needs to speak up like the rest of the moaning managers( including our Klopp).
There's no point, anything the manager would complain about the entire football community would push back and call United deluded etc. Literally no point.
At least you knew it was pretty much incompetence when they made bad calls. But now when you get proof infront of you and you still see them doing that, it is just speachless.
I don’t know why we are being treated like we have for a very long time. It is unreal. I put a bit blame on our club for this. For not speaking out publicly about this treatment.
Ref and VAR will be suspended no doubt. I mean why wouldn’t they be if they got the decision so horribly wrong.
Two officials are in agreement but that’s not good enough.
Every team who have someone red carded for similar offences, now have the evidence to assist an appeal.
Yep, the issue with it is that I'm quite happy to accept the on field ref will make mistakes, they get a split second sometimes with a compromised view from a compleatly different angle to everyone else and the 80 cameras or whatever there is these days.
But if we now have a VAR who shoud be able to make an informed decision then who gives a damn about clear and obvious. The on field ref making a mistake isn't an issue, getting the right decision is the issue.
Yeah for sure. Goes without saying.
But he has. He started calling out the lack of penalty decisions and Casemiro reds but feck all happens.
VAR is under enough pressure that they need cheap wins and it easier to play to the gallery against United.
For instance I literally can’t remember the last on pitch penalty we’ve received. We get the odd one from VAR when it’s impossible to refuse but refs simply go for safe options and I can’t blame them with the outcry that comes otherwise.
Zero logic in both appealing and having a decision overturned in this VAR generation. They 'supposedly' deal with fact. Clear and obvious. End of conversation.
Why can't we appeal all cards as a club policy?
Overturning the Mac Allister red card has opened up a can of worms.
Literally everything is going to get appealed now, all to appease Lord Klopp.
Tackles will get harder and cards appealed until we get a leg breaker.
The gall of Klopp after Fabinho got away with everything is scandalous.
Literally everything is going to get appealed now, all to appease Lord Klopp.
Tackles will get harder and cards appealed until we get a leg breaker.
The gall of Klopp after Fabinho got away with everything is scandalous.
Also the media was for Casemiro’s ban, it plays a massive role.
But we all know it won’t be.
Absolute madness that they have withdrawn the Mac Alister challenge. He’s gone in high, over the ball. Dermot Gallagher says it only looks worse because the defender raised his foot too but again he’s talking out his arse. It would have been a hell of a lot worse if he hadn’t raised his foot, Max Alister would have gone through his knee had he not.
They’re setting a hell of a precedent ruling that the referee and VAR have both got it wrong on that one, are they going ti be suspended next week?
They’re setting a hell of a precedent ruling that the referee and VAR have both got it wrong on that one, are they going ti be suspended next week?
Liverpool only need to fart in the direction of the EPL and they get what they want