VAR, Refs and Linesmen | General Discussion

I don't think it even makes the top 3 for clearest pen's we've been denied this season!

He pushed him two seconds before(soft), and then stamped him while oressing him like a madman, it was clear as you can see. But yeah, we've been denied even worse probably.
 
I’m interested to know what are the rules and guidelines for overhead kicks. On one hand they’re lovely to watch and some of the best goals ever are overhead kicks, and you don’t want to get rid of them. On the other, how is kicking someone in the head not deemed as dangerous play

edit: not saying he should have been sent off btw, I would be furious if our players got sent off for it
 
I’m interested to know what are the rules and guidelines for overhead kicks. On one hand they’re lovely to watch and some of the best goals ever are overhead kicks, and you don’t want to get rid of them. On the other, how is kicking someone in the head not deemed as dangerous play

edit: not saying he should have been sent off btw, I would be furious if our players got sent off for it

They need to bring some sort of rule in.
That Villa sub dimwit managed to kick someone in the head trying an overhead kick that was never on.

Then Jota has just studded someone in the face who had to be subbed.

Makes you mad when remembering Nani sent off for waving his foot way less dangerously than either about a decade ago.
 
Since Howard Webb has come in he’s somehow managed to feck VAR up even more. People want the correct decisions, irrespective of how many checks there arw
 
I don’t understand football anymore.

Anfield.
Plus it was feet over both their heads. That may have rescued them.

Would be hilarious if Richarlison chose now to score his first prem Tott goal.
 
Only yellow for Klopp intimidating celebration against the fourth ref, too?
 
They deserve the abuse they get. Some refs came out a few seasons ago and said they enjoy his passion. He could spit in their face and they'd enjoy it. Arse-kissing cnuts.
The irony is that they gave controversial decision in favor of Liverpool, and yet they just took the abuse from Klopp.
 
I don't watch that many other leagues, occasionally Italian which I find less controversial but I'm also less emotionally engaged, but really the standard of refereeing in the PL is so terrible, I am appalled to see once again terrible decisions changing the result of the game. No one is even surprised at this point, terrible calls every week and zero accountability.
 


No red card for Jota and he scores the winner for the Bin Dippers.

But naturally the media narrative is ‘Jota scores stunning late winner’ rather than ‘Huge controversy over Jota winner after kick to head’, as it most certainly would be if United had won in this manner. Media narrative and dodgy biased refereeing are not unrelated factors here, and I don’t think that’s some loony conspiracy theory. Referees know they can get away with incredibly bad decisions in favour of Liverpool (and other teams), but they will be crucified for days on end for giving even 50:50s in favour of us.
 
No real surprise, Liverpool have been cheating for years. Even the one Covid title they won was riddled with one scandalous VAR decision after another. The FA are and always have been desperate for them to be relevant. This season they really want it to be a top 4 “race” between ourselves and them and the only way to have them keep pace with us is to give one awful decision after another against us and let them away with everything and anything. It’s sad really when you see what a once very proud club has become.
 
But naturally the media narrative is ‘Jota scores stunning late winner’ rather than ‘Huge controversy over Jota winner after kick to head’, as it most certainly would be if United had won in this manner. Media narrative and dodgy biased refereeing are not unrelated factors here, and I don’t think that’s some loony conspiracy theory. Referees know they can get away with incredibly bad decisions in favour of Liverpool (and other teams), but they will be crucified for days on end for giving even 50:50s in favour of us.
Years again in the past sure. Nowadays, if somebody sitting in the room away can't do VAR properly for this clear dangerous play, then there is no hope. Must be some pressure from within the referring committee to fix result.

TAA handball leading to goal against Leeds was bullshit too.
 
If you make a late challenge, miss the ball and go studs up on a player's shin, it's a red card.

But if you make a late challenge, miss the ball and go studs up on a player's head(!), it's not a red card.


Football is weird.
 
Why is there little to no attention on Skipp’s first half challenge which is most of the time a red card challenge? That wasn’t even given as a foul.
 


No red card for Jota and he scores the winner for the Bin Dippers.


Scandalous refereeing really. For the on field ref to be looking right at that and someone else to have a replay and also decide It's not a red.

Especially when you look back at how they deliberately slowed down and zoomed in on Casemiro twice to show the worst possible angles.

It's not corruption, just incompetence.
 
Why is there little to no attention on Skipp’s first half challenge which is most of the time a red card challenge? That wasn’t even given as a foul.
Not most of the time. Only Casemiro would be sent off for that. Just go back a bit and you see comparable accidental foul like this was not red worthy

Salah elbowed Ben Davies good. Dark art to took Davies out of the freekick that Richarlison scored. If everything is fair and game, the better outcome wouldn't go to you guys.
 
Souness and Redknapp both confirming it’s a clear red card. How in the world does a VAR ref not at least tell the ref to go and have a look at it?

I’d sack Howard Webb instantly and bring in someone with no connection with current referees to lead it - preferably an ex player.
 
If you make a late challenge, miss the ball and go studs up on a player's shin, it's a red card.

But if you make a late challenge, miss the ball and go studs up on a player's head(!), it's not a red card.


Football is weird.
Even getting the ball isn’t enough to prevent a red card sometimes.

Mental decision.
 
Spurs should have had a penalty and Jota should have been sent off. Crap refereeing again.
 
Scandalous refereeing really. For the on field ref to be looking right at that and someone else to have a replay and also decide It's not a red.

Especially when you look back at how they deliberately slowed down and zoomed in on Casemiro twice to show the worst possible angles.

It's not corruption, just incompetence.
It is not incompetence anymore, it is deliberate and selective refereeing, its borderline corruption now.
 
Why is there little to no attention on Skipp’s first half challenge which is most of the time a red card challenge? That wasn’t even given as a foul.

In fairness there was a lot of talk about it in the gameweek thread if we're referring to the Caf. Potential ankle breaker and a stonewall red too. Ref fecked just about every big decision today.
 
It is not incompetence anymore, it is deliberate and selective refereeing, its borderline corruption now.

I dunno.

I will say, with VAR now, they are in more control than ever to make decisions that can dictate the outcome of games.

How they utilise that power at times is questionable, sometimes it does feel like they intentionally ignore these big calls, or are very selective in what they choose to review and or not review.

Do they do it deliberately to increase the entertainment value or create talking points?

Is that corruption?
 
It is not incompetence anymore, it is deliberate and selective refereeing, its borderline corruption now.
I think I'd argue it's corrupting, but not corruption per se. I'm not sure it's the case that particular clubs or individuals are deliberately attempting to / are buying the judgement of officials in that classical sense. If that were so, then perhaps Skipp would not have been on the pitch after that first tackle. However there is little doubt that results are being affected, and the end league positions corrupted, by such poor and inconsistent officiating. In the past we might have been able to argue human error to at least console ourselves that it can happen to anyone, but now, with such opportunity to review and correct, to keep making such howlers? It's maddening and increasingly hard to accept as the outcome of professional decision making.
It's incredible it's been allowed to continue in this state without more severe intervention from both the clubs and the premier league.
 
I dunno.

I will say, with VAR now, they are in more control than ever to make decisions that can dictate the outcome of games.

How they utilise that power at times is questionable, sometimes it does feel like they intentionally ignore these big calls, or are very selective in what they choose to review and or not review.

Do they do it deliberately to increase the entertainment value or create talking points?

Is that corruption?
It's not corruption but biased and clear case of unfairness. And it's not just about games when it comes to red card decisions.

Our whole season was detailed because of the fake reds for Casemiro and we could easily be finishing 2nd ahead of the Arse if not given our form at the time.
 
I dunno.

I will say, with VAR now, they are in more control than ever to make decisions that can dictate the outcome of games.

How they utilise that power at times is questionable, sometimes it does feel like they intentionally ignore these big calls, or are very selective in what they choose to review and or not review.

Do they do it deliberately to increase the entertainment value or create talking points?

Is that corruption?
Maybe not corruption, because they are not being paid to do it, but bias will be the right word. The way the sent Casemiro against Palace and ignored at the same incident a similar offence tells you they are biased, they chose to look at only Casemiro. How do you explain not sending Jota off? because if the on field referee did not send him off what the feck was the VAR referee doing?