But Nketiah already finished before Ederson hit him. The ball would never go into goal and Nketiah was on his way over the backline. It should never be a penalty. Or rather yes maybe its a pen but not when its normally never given.
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But Nketiah already finished before Ederson hit him. The ball would never go into goal and Nketiah was on his way over the backline. It should never be a penalty. Or rather yes maybe its a pen but not when its normally never given.
Well when you've figured it out let me know
To me it's a foul all over the pitch and therefore should be a pen.
Well when you've figured it out let me know
To me it's a foul all over the pitch and therefore should be a pen.
But then they should at least consistently give it
I'm not sure, but that's given as a foul to the keeper 9 times out of 10 these days.
Well obviously but I don't think that's relevant with regard to whether this particular incident is a pen or not. I'm not sure it happens all too often anyway.
This exact same ref deemed the Bruno situation to be not a penalty, that's why I think it's relevant here.
I don't think they're really comparable. Bruno just about got a touch on the ball and that was more of a coming together. He seemed to be looking for contact as well. I think that would have been a much softer penalty to give.
Either way even if the same ref hadn't given one for the exact same incident the week before that would have been a mistake and it's still a pen imo.
Feck off.
This cnut is losing it.
The officials never do themselves any favours when you try to dismiss the idea that Barcelona are favoured by them, 'VARcelona' indeed
Scared to make a decision. Easy to leave it for VAR decide.
Hope EtH lays into him post-match. At 2-1 up, them going down to ten men completely changes the game even if it was outside and not a penalty.
Hope Xavi lays into him post-match. At 2-2 late on, giving a penalty completely changes the game.
I think the Fred handball can put this to bed, no?
Yes because getting a ball headed at your arm from 10cm away is as blatant a decision as the Kounde foul on Rashford
Yes because getting a ball headed at your arm from 10cm away is as blatant a decision as the Kounde foul on Rashford
I never compared it to any other decision in the game so no idea what your point is
It wasn't from "10cm away" nor was it headed at his arm. He sticks his arm out. It's not a natural position. It was a penalty. It's okay to admit it.
The referee was rather crap today, but we got away with the Fred handball shout. When played in slow motion for VAR it looked so much worse than it really was
I never compared it to any other decision in the game so no idea what your point is
It wasn't from "10cm away" nor was it headed at his arm. He sticks his arm out. It's not a natural position. It was a penalty. It's okay to admit it.
What are you guys on about. That wasn’t a handball by fred. The ball hit him on the sleeves near the crest and that is deemed as not handball iirc.
I never compared it to any other decision in the game so no idea what your point is
It wasn't from "10cm away" nor was it headed at his arm. He sticks his arm out. It's not a natural position. It was a penalty. It's okay to admit it.
Never a pen.Not when the arm is in an unnatural position as his was.
There's also an argument that it was an intentional handball too given he quite clearly sticks his arm out towards the ball.
Both of those counts would make it an automatic penalty.
And yes, for the avoidance of whataboutery and handwringing, United definitely should've been given a free kick for the Kounde foul on Rashford.
In an ideal world that all football fans would love to see? I totally agree.
In accordance with the rules per IFAB? It was a stonewall penalty.
Think it was a poor performance by the ref but for both teams in hindsight. Terrible against us but the Fred handball was definitely a penalty. Arm in a unnatural position. Very easy yellows branded tonight additionally. Even with his decisions still feels a league above the standards in the prem.
Called out the ref said its a red. Good to see
In accordance with the rules it wasn’t a stonewall penalty. The ball was hit at him from a close range. The ball hit him on his sleeves near the logo(that is considered as an extension of the shoulder). There is nothing in the rules which say that if the arm is an unnatural position then the shoulder becomes an arm.
Firstly, there's nothing in the rules any more about proximity so that's not a valid defence although it absolutely should be (within reason, of course).
Secondly, it didn't hit him anywhere near where the leeway is given to be considered shoulder. I mean look at it ffs:
Sending Kounde off at 2-1 could’ve made a bigger difference.
Why ignore the refereeing against United? Seems odd.
Isn't it more ok to admit that had the red card been given, Barca would have been pinned in their own half and the Fred thing wouldn't have even happened?I never compared it to any other decision in the game so no idea what your point is
It wasn't from "10cm away" nor was it headed at his arm. He sticks his arm out. It's not a natural position. It was a penalty. It's okay to admit it.
It’s not a pen the header is too close to Fred feck sake
That would be quite ironic considering how much ref favored Barca in this game.
Of course, you're here talking about this and ignoring the clear red card the other way.
3-1 and red card would make this game over but sure.
VAR was once again not our friend and that never surprises.
The proximity of the player whose hand or arm makes contact with the ball to where the ball was struck from will still be an important consideration for officials when making a decision to award handball or not.Firstly, there's nothing in the rules any more about proximity so that's not a valid defence although it absolutely should be (within reason, of course).
Secondly, it didn't hit him anywhere near where the leeway is given to be considered shoulder. I mean look at it ffs:
Clearly in the rules it says proximity of the player from where the ball is hit at him will be taken into consideration while deciding on handball.
If we want to play that game then giving Lewandowski a penalty for Varane manhandling him early in the first half would change the game too.
Why ignore the refereeing against Barca? Seems odd.
And for what it's worth, I didn't ignore the refereeing against United. I said I thought Kounde fouled Rashford.
Yes. And if the ref had penalised Varane for his foul on Lewandowski then the entire landscape changes again so it's always pointless going down that route.
There's nothing in the rules about proximity overruling unnatural motions or deliberate handballs.
Favoured them so much he denied them two stonewall penalties.
Of course, you're here talking about this and ignoring the clear red card the other way.
I didn't ignore it. I literally commented on it and said the ref missed it. Jesus christ
3-1? It was outside the box.
And if we're going down the hypothetical routes then the game would've been totally different if Barcelona had scored the penalty they should've been given for Varane manhandling Lewandowski.
No one can bring up the whole 'the game would be different if this happened' crap without sounding like an utter hypocrite given Barcelona should've been given a penalty before any refereeing slight on United.
He’s taking this more personally than a Barca fan. No way is it a pen or even comes close to clear and obvious anyway
If we want to play that game then giving Lewandowski a penalty for Varane manhandling him early in the first half would change the game too.
Why ignore the refereeing against Barca? Seems odd.
And for what it's worth, I didn't ignore the refereeing against United. I said I thought Kounde fouled Rashford.
Yes. And if the ref had penalised Varane for his foul on Lewandowski then the entire landscape changes again so it's always pointless going down that route.
There's nothing in the rules about proximity overruling unnatural motions or deliberate handballs.
Favoured them so much he denied them two stonewall penalties.
I didn't ignore it. I literally commented on it and said the ref missed it. Jesus christ
3-1? It was outside the box.
And if we're going down the hypothetical routes then the game would've been totally different if Barcelona had scored the penalty they should've been given for Varane manhandling Lewandowski.
No one can bring up the whole 'the game would be different if this happened' crap without sounding like an utter hypocrite given Barcelona should've been given a penalty before any refereeing slight on United.
Ahh so you’re here to wind people up.
Interesting life you have.
I'm not taking anything personally mate. I've merely stated my opinion and defended it when people have responded
He is a Barca fan. One of the worst. Most of his posts are about Barca and Messi.
If we want to play that game then giving Lewandowski a penalty for Varane manhandling him early in the first half would change the game too.
Why ignore the refereeing against Barca? Seems odd.
And for what it's worth, I didn't ignore the refereeing against United. I said I thought Kounde fouled Rashford.
Yes. And if the ref had penalised Varane for his foul on Lewandowski then the entire landscape changes again so it's always pointless going down that route.
There's nothing in the rules about proximity overruling unnatural motions or deliberate handballs.
Favoured them so much he denied them two stonewall penalties.
I didn't ignore it. I literally commented on it and said the ref missed it. Jesus christ
3-1? It was outside the box.
And if we're going down the hypothetical routes then the game would've been totally different if Barcelona had scored the penalty they should've been given for Varane manhandling Lewandowski.
No one can bring up the whole 'the game would be different if this happened' crap without sounding like an utter hypocrite given Barcelona should've been given a penalty before any refereeing slight on United.
Go to bed you clown, these blatant penalties for Barca only happened in your head.
You’ve gone in a bit here when the decision isn’t as clear cut as you’re making out.I'm not taking anything personally mate. I've merely stated my opinion and defended it when people have responded
Let’s just call it strange.