Yeah ... with pics an' all to prove it!
Van Der Vaart On The Move
- Thread starter Drifter
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P.s. Ajax haven't been great for years.
What's your point? I know you're acting like a dick on here tonight whereas Lailiani hasn't the first clue about whether or not Rafael Van der Vaart is a 'proper prick'.
See the difference? I'm always annoyed by fans who feel they know players, and know them well enough to pass judgment on their personalities despite only watching them play a game for 90 minutes. I find it very immature.
Most likely the big holes at left back will mean it doesnt matter how good your midfield works, you'll still be dropping too many points.
Bale at left back is bad, Bale left of midfield is good
OK, let me re-phrase the question then: are you claiming that every single player in the Man. Utd squad, because they've ended up at Man. Utd, is a better player than VdV all things considered?
But I do think VdV is an average player - based on around 50 games over the course of his career that I've seen. Was I just unlucky in that I caught consistently average performances?
A bit like how a lot of Zlatan fans assured me that his continual failure, year on year, was just a case of me not tuning into the right games...
I think he's average, and that's an opinion that a fair few people share.
So wind your neck in mate.
Continual failure? Year on year? Serie A Footballer of the Year: 2008, 2009.
I don't see why everyone has to have the attitude that you're either the best player in the world, or a failure. Clearly Van der Vart and Imbrahimovic are quality players. Clearly.
Do I think O'Shea is a better player than VdV? Of course not. Does he perform a vital role in our squad that VdV couldn't? Absolutely. Having the right player is not the same as having the most talented player.
Do I think VdV would get into our starting eleven? He'd be no where near.
Sorry, I meant to say in Europe - the games that the majority of us saw him in.
The notion of Bale's defensive weakness at LB is greatly exaggerated. Trust me on this. Give it 2 more years and he'll be regarded as the best LB in the Prem.
On your second point - I've argued the same thing on the Caf this week. I've not said that VdV or Zlatan are failures/flops. I just don't buy into all the hype.
Maybe in the future he will be great in that position. But rumours of his struggles there are not exaggerated - he has generally had a rickety time there. Poor at OT when you lot came last season.
Yes, she's fine now. She's a huge household name in Germany and a judge on the German version of Britain's Got Talent.
Yes, she's fine now. She's a huge household name in Germany and a judge on the German version of Britain's Got Talent.
When was he at Valencia? Did really well there too, I'm guessing? Mmm, must have been another case of being managed poorly.
You've seen 50 games? Despite admitting to only seeing him play for Madrid and Holland?
Rafael van der Vaart is far from an average footballer, something you'd surely know if you'd even seen him play 5 games.
I'm still not seeing any evidence for Lailiani, with her trademark hate and anger, describing someone she doesn't know as a 'proper prick'.
Christ on a bike. It's the fecking football-police!
It was an estimation. Probably a bit on the high side, granted. I saw him play a few times this summer. Didn't really make much of an impression... because he was never considered a starter, because he's not all that great.
Good night
As opposed to describing someone you don't know as a phallus.
Anyway, I actually am off to bed now. I'll leave you to your VdV debate.
When was he at Valencia? Did really well there too, I'm guessing? Mmm, must have been another case of being managed poorly.
He wasn't there.
No, I'm sorry, but he hasn't "generally had a rickety time there". He's had a few rickety games here and there in that position, but in others he's been brilliant.
Give him that position to play in reguarly, rather than being switched back and forth to LW, and he'll soon settle down and make it his own. He's still "young n' learnin" after all, but he seems to learn pretty quickly.
Calling someone a 'phallus' in about the 15th post of a heated debate is clearly part of the banter on a football forum. How you manage to complain about this when people are incessantly called spastics and cnuts on here every day is beyond me...
In contrast, making yourself believe that anyone who plays for a rival team to United is a 'proper prick', and hating them intensely for it, when you're over the age of 15 is just retarded. It's also something Lailiani seems to want to excel at.
Correct. He posed with a Valencia shirt when he was a HSV player, trying to force a move against their will.
Gotta love this quote from Harry, regardless of opinions on here about VdV:
"I thought he was going to Bayern Munich yesterday for about £18m and suddenly he become an awful lot cheaper and the chairman came to me and said, 'Look, he's available for around about £8m'.
"I felt we'd already got a good squad, it wasn't a case of really being desperate to get anyone in. It was only when he rung me around at about four o'clock and told me there was an opportunity here and did I want to do something? I said, 'I don't really want to spend your money but if you feel you want to have a go then, well, let's push on and give it a crack and see if we can pull it off."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/au...l-van-der-vaart
"I thought he was going to Bayern Munich yesterday for about £18m and suddenly he become an awful lot cheaper and the chairman came to me and said, 'Look, he's available for around about £8m'.
"I felt we'd already got a good squad, it wasn't a case of really being desperate to get anyone in. It was only when he rung me around at about four o'clock and told me there was an opportunity here and did I want to do something? I said, 'I don't really want to spend your money but if you feel you want to have a go then, well, let's push on and give it a crack and see if we can pull it off."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/au...l-van-der-vaart
Very good signing for Spurs if they pull it off, though not sure where he will play. From looking at their squad they are stacked in attacking options, which is going to result in a few sad faces.
Suspect they'll line up as:
------------Sandro-------------
Lennon--------------------Bale
---------Modric------VDV------
--------------striker?-------------
They really should have sold two of their forwards and got someone of genuine quality, Fabiano? probably.
Suspect they'll line up as:
------------Sandro-------------
Lennon--------------------Bale
---------Modric------VDV------
--------------striker?-------------
They really should have sold two of their forwards and got someone of genuine quality, Fabiano? probably.
I'm off now, but I'd still like to point out that there's a fair chance that this deal may not go through, because it was touch and go apparently in terms of all the paper-work being lodged in time.
The authorities will decide tomorrow.
The authorities will decide tomorrow.
TBH I cant figure out how it was possible to sort it all out so late
Ibrahimovic is the most vastly over rated footballer in world football today.
That is clearly the fact on the table.
VdV, personally, I think 'arry has pulled one out of the bag and tat he will prove to be a huge success down in North London.
Spurs with VdV will pass the group stage in CL.
Have been hearing that Spurs have signed him, but was 10 minutes after the deadline. The deadline in spain is 12pm so the deal is valid, however as Spurs sign him after the premier league deadline he might not be able to play in any of the premier league games but only CL/FA/League cup games til Januray.
Have to disagree with this.
They won't pass the group stages because of their lack of a quality, mobile, defensive midfielder. Wilson P is great in the premiership but I have a feeling he will have a torrid time in europe and won't get away with half of what he does here.
They could have that in Sandro if he actually does play for them, of which there is no current evidence that he does.
These fecking yids with their proclaimed 'rags to riches' achievement.
Spurs finished 5th 2 seasons in a row and came a decent dinner away from nicking the Champions League spot off Arsenal in 2006. Then they get rid of their best manager in years and suffer the consequences by having a shite start to the season and ending up bottom of the league. Redknapp comes in and steadys the ship then yes they have a very good season and get the 4th spot but Liverpool having their worst domestic season for about 10 years did help.
It does my fecking head in when the yids say 'we were bottom of the league 2 years ago and now look at us'. You were under-achieving for years!
A season too early I'd think. He's yet to prove he's good enough for them let alone boss a Champions League midfield. I think it's the one position you need real experience in, more so than any other position, centre back included.
Here's a bet that he won't!
2 more seasons of making mistakes and gaining experience and he has a chance. But why would Spurs do that when he's their best offensive player at this point? If you want to be successful this season you'll keep him on the left wing. Its not like Ekotto is amazing either but this clearly works better.
i reckon spurs have managed to get themselves a very decent squad now. for £8m VdV could turn out to be this years Sneijder in my opinion, and then with Bale, Lennon and Modric they have a great set of attacking players. The only thing they really lack is a good striker, I wouldve thought they would have offloaded a couple of their strikers and get in someone like Huntelaar who was going fairly cheap.
After deciding before that, that it was Sneijder who was like that, who then made went on to make a fool of all of them at Inter. Talk of people never learning.
i expect him to fully prove you wrong like Sneijder did. After all alsts eoans he was a fixture in the Real Mardid XI that broke all sorts of club records last season.