I see Liverpool going for and getting him.
Van Der Vaart On The Move
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Another FM legend. This time, though, he's legendary hard to get to work in a team.
Not entirely sure where he'd fit into the Liverpool team, unless they've almost no faith in Aquilani? Could be that they'd go VDV-Mascherano-Aquilani in a midfield three, and it gives a nice balance to it, it's just where Gerrard fits in.
And I'm just not sure he'd be offered much first team football at Chelsea. Having VDV and Lampard in the midfield three together seems a bit strange, could work with Essien though.
And I'm just not sure he'd be offered much first team football at Chelsea. Having VDV and Lampard in the midfield three together seems a bit strange, could work with Essien though.
Stranger than Ballack, Lampard and Malouda in a midfield 3?
Well yeah, kind of when you bare in mind it was a back-up formation. I actually thought Ballack's better games in the last season were when he played as the holding midfielder, spreading it about and breaking up the play. Meant he didn't try too much. Then you had Lampard being the goal-getting midfielder who forced the play and you had Malouda as the dribbling playmaker of sorts.
What type of player is Van Der Vaart though, I struggle to get my head around his game. At Hamburg he looked like a lazy midfielder who was there mainly to get goals from deep and force the play, much like how I see Lampard but with less defensive responsibility. He looked a different player last season though, he covered ground aplenty and he was linking play with plenty of flair, but I'm still not sure about him in this league with just the one midfielder behind him.
What type of player is Van Der Vaart though, I struggle to get my head around his game. At Hamburg he looked like a lazy midfielder who was there mainly to get goals from deep and force the play, much like how I see Lampard but with less defensive responsibility. He looked a different player last season though, he covered ground aplenty and he was linking play with plenty of flair, but I'm still not sure about him in this league with just the one midfielder behind him.
Gerrard would play just behind Torres, I'd have thought.
I thought Malouda strictly played out wide like a winger or forward. I don't recall ever seeing him in the middle.
Christmas tree formation?
Aquaman-Foulmachine-VDfaart
----StevieMe----Forehead----
----------Fannyboy----------
Ancelotti picked it a few times at the end of the season. I believe due to injuries, Drogba and Obi Mikel in particular. Didnt stop them scoring bucket loads anyway.
That's like a fecked up version of the justice league of America.
Yes, but how do you stick Gerrard in behind Torres if you're playing a midfield three, is what I meant.
Basically, how do you play Gerrard in behind Torres and then fit VDV in the team? Only way I see it is by sticking him out wide, or going 4-2-2-2.
Yeah maybe, how often do we see that work out well in this league, never mind under an English manager?
He did very well playing just there for Madrid last season though, surprisingly well I thought.
Off to Spurs it seems....
You just know he'll have a couple of flashy moments to start off with, people will be using this as proof that there is 'value' and how we really have no money, and then he'll drift in and out of the team with inconsistent performances and that'll get swept under the rug for them to move on to the next 'value' signing to complain about our transfers.
You just know he'll have a couple of flashy moments to start off with, people will be using this as proof that there is 'value' and how we really have no money, and then he'll drift in and out of the team with inconsistent performances and that'll get swept under the rug for them to move on to the next 'value' signing to complain about our transfers.
Spurs don't need him. Modric with Kranjcar as back up is adequate
I think that's a bit negative. I guess he'll not have worked with a manager like Harry before and it will be interesting to see what Harry can inspire out of him over the long term. I don't think he's destined to follow the path you've outlined there - I can see him doing a fair bit better actually once he's settled in.
I see him as a different player to Modric. If they want to stay in the CL as long as possible while competing for the top 4/top 6 in the PL then there's no harm in having both. They'll play potentially as many matches as United do this season and still don't have the depth we have. Why shouldn't they add depth to their squad?
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I just don't see the point when Kranjcar is happy to warm the bench as back up. I find it similar to Real having Kaka and Canales and then buying Ozil which is unnecessary.
Van der Vaart was actually pretty good, and consistently so for Hamburg. I don't know why he has this shoddy reputation on here... If he turns up for Spurs desperate to actually play and put Real behind him then Spurs have got themselves a brilliant deal...
I don't think they're identical players... Even if they were it's no different to the myriad options we have in midfield or on the wings...
I don't get why United fans always get so arsey when Villa or Spurs buy a 2nd or 3rd player for the same position - we've no right to really as our own club as at least as many options...
they obviously heard about my league winning Spurs team on fm, with VDV as my main man, and decided to go for him!
seriously though, i reckon he would be a good signing for them. adds quality in their squad depth.
seriously though, i reckon he would be a good signing for them. adds quality in their squad depth.
The one really annoying thing about this signing is the fact his fee is so similar to what we paid for Bebe. I doubt we'll see Bebe make any sort of meaningful contribution for at least another 2 or 3 years. Meanwhile, the resident transfer muppets will go into fecking meltdown, with every half-decent performance from VdV.
That will get very old, very quickly.
That will get very old, very quickly.
Jesus christ, how is it being arsey when I say my opinion that they don't need a player? Just because you don't agree doesn't mean I'm being "arsey" or whatever.
They are similar types of player, creative midfielders who can play on the wing when required.
I think he would have been a useful addition to our squad, especially at £8m or something, but seems like if he does well at Spurs we'll just buy him in a years time for £30m.
Well there's always two sides to every strory. There's "value" signings and then there's value signings. Just for argument sake, don't you think that Sneijder would've been a good enough signing for us last year, let alone a "value" signing ?
I personally had always felt that Fergie wasn't telling us the whole story about our transfer budget when he kept spouting off this talk of "value". However, signing a player as unknown as Bebe, who he admitted to having never seen him play, not even once, for the amount we did made me think that maybe Fergie's telling the truth when he says that the Glazers never denied him the cash anytime he requested it for a player.
But then again their policy could've changed slightly since last year. I still can't figure out how we never went in for Sneijder last year. What a perfect long-term replacement for Scholsey he would've been!
Will be a quality signing for Spurs if it goes through, he was good enough for Madrid and was excellent in the Bundesliga so I'm sure he will do well here. I'm not sure where he'll fit in the the Spurs line up though...I don't think he would be much use a part of a midfield pair but if they do indeed play the diamond formation then he could play as the furthest forward and it's not like they'd lack width what with the full backs bombing on. It will be interesting anyway and players like him can only continue to strengthen this league.
Point is, you hardly risk anything buying a player like van der Vaart for £8m because even if he fails to deliver you'll still be able to move him for a similar fee in a year or two because he's got the reputation. If a player like Bebe struggles you'll be lucky to claim £3m for him.
Spurs will have the best midfield in the league.
I think Sneijder restricts versatility of tactics and is too big a name not to play every week, so where does that leave Berbatov? Surely we couldn't fit him, Rooney and Berbatov in the same team?
I personally don't see him as a similar player to Scholes, the Scholes of old yes, but then he'd have been playing in a three man midfield every week when he was the Scholes of old. Sneijder just doesn't fit into a midfield two, which in the end forces us to either drop him - which he surely wouldn't react kindly to - or play a 433, which in the end means dropping Berbatov. It leaves us in a very difficult position and is a big part of the reason we don't go for big names very often, I feel, because they restrict the team in many ways.
I think our Bebe signing proves beyond any doubt that the value comments were a smokescreen, so in essence people taking the piss out of Sir Alex's value comments are just taking the piss out of themselves, because he never really meant it. There's no possible way signing Bebe for a big fee represents value, on any level, so it's obviously not the deciding factor in signing players.
Hunger(mentality/character), suitability, quality, versatility, value. They're some of the factors, with Sneijder certainly ticking the box on two accounts, he's got quality and he was good value, but you'd assume he didn't tick some of the others in Sir Alex's view. We do go for players who are on the up, who have achieved relatively little in their career and have that hunger to reach the top, even with our most expensive signings - RVN, Rooney, Rio, Veron, Berbatov, they're our five most expensive signings, and they had one Serie A and two Eredivise titles between them, despite costing around £130m between them.
It made even less sense with the talk about Sneijder coming this summer, when you think about it - he'd have won a league title in Holland, Spain and Italy already, as many titles as those 5 combined!
Sneijder was leaving Real Madrid because he was getting kicked out, not because he had a hunger to player for any other certain club. VDV is likewise. Would Sneijder have disrupted the dressing room somewhat, upset the wage structure, shown a lack of appreciation for much of what makes Manchester United the club it is? We've no idea, but chances are there was a little of that and a little of him just not fitting in the current team, because in terms of quality and value I think anyone can see he was right up there with the best of them.
We often have a very short-sighted view with it comes to team development and transfers in general - could you honestly have seen Rooney excelling up front on his own 4 years ago? Sir Alex could. Could you honestly see Ronaldo becoming a player who does as much of his best work off the ball as on it, and become essentially a one man attack, back when you saw him on his debut against Bolton? Could you have seen Scholes and Giggs play on until they're 36 with the quality they're still showing, with Giggs as a withdrawn winger doing as much creating through passing as dribbling and Scholes acting as a deep-lying playmaker just 5 years ago? I'd bet Sir Alex could.
It makes it very hard to speculate about transfers as they're often long-term decisions and we have very little knowledge of the vision Sir Alex has for that period, so we just look at it their short-term benefits and miss the bigger picture.
K'inell Brwned. You're really gettin into the habit of these mega posts recently!
Van der Vaart has consistently failed to live up the any hype surrounding him. Hope this helps.
And to think I feel for you when people liken you to a 'tard.
Examples of this being...?
He has the CL experience, but I can't see him adding much except the need to be played in a certain formation (for the premiership). I guess he'll be saved for the CL then.
2005/06 Hamburger SV 19 9 Bundesliga
2006/07 Hamburger SV 26 8 Bundesliga
2007/08 Hamburger SV 29 12 Bundesliga
2008/09 Real Madrid 32 5 Primera Division
2009/10 Real Madrid 26 6 Primera Division
Not to bad for a midfielder.
2006/07 Hamburger SV 26 8 Bundesliga
2007/08 Hamburger SV 29 12 Bundesliga
2008/09 Real Madrid 32 5 Primera Division
2009/10 Real Madrid 26 6 Primera Division
Not to bad for a midfielder.
Djimi Traore has CL experience.
with essien fully fit like he is now, chelsea would shit all over spuds midfield. ffs.
we would take apart their midfield as well. its spurs, and 'arry. they only know how to play one way.
Yeah, I thought I'd try and cut down on posting so much so I've balanced that by just attempting to make the posts a bit more worthwhile in general, that one just kept going and going though...not really sure it makes sense as I wasn't even arsed reading it over. I'm sure there's a general point in there amongst the pointless gibberish!
In my opinion we haven't signed big name signings for 2 main reasons.
A) The wage structure. Nowadays the biggest expenditure is not the transfer fee but the salaries. Just do some simple maths and see for yourself how much a 100 grand a week player would cost a club in 5 years time. No wonder why estabilished players like Sneijder/VDV/Ibra who had failed to make an impact with their clubs are allowed to leave on relatively small fees.
B) Thanks to UEFA's financial fair play rules football is destined to change. Clubs will be ordered to spend what they earn and the fees will therefore go down. Its not Gill who is saying that but owners who tend to love dipping their fingers in the transfer market (ex Moratti)
Next season the squad should, on paper, pass from major changes with at least some of the old guard retiring from football. I also believe that this will be Hargo/Carrick/Anderson's make or break season so if they fail to perform this year then I doubt that they will remain at OT for the season 2011-2012. All these players are on decent salaries so their departure should allow us to get more estabilished names if needed. Thanks to the financial fair player which (Correct me if Im wrong) should kick in next season we would be able to find the right talent at the right prices.
A) The wage structure. Nowadays the biggest expenditure is not the transfer fee but the salaries. Just do some simple maths and see for yourself how much a 100 grand a week player would cost a club in 5 years time. No wonder why estabilished players like Sneijder/VDV/Ibra who had failed to make an impact with their clubs are allowed to leave on relatively small fees.
B) Thanks to UEFA's financial fair play rules football is destined to change. Clubs will be ordered to spend what they earn and the fees will therefore go down. Its not Gill who is saying that but owners who tend to love dipping their fingers in the transfer market (ex Moratti)
Next season the squad should, on paper, pass from major changes with at least some of the old guard retiring from football. I also believe that this will be Hargo/Carrick/Anderson's make or break season so if they fail to perform this year then I doubt that they will remain at OT for the season 2011-2012. All these players are on decent salaries so their departure should allow us to get more estabilished names if needed. Thanks to the financial fair player which (Correct me if Im wrong) should kick in next season we would be able to find the right talent at the right prices.
i'm convinced you're a Spurs fan