Van Der Vaart On The Move

[Feed Me]

No, I'm sorry, but he hasn't "generally had a rickety time there". He's had a few rickety games here and there in that position, but in others he's been brilliant.

Give him that position to play in reguarly, rather than being switched back and forth to LW, and he'll soon settle down and make it his own. He's still "young n' learnin" after all, but he seems to learn pretty quickly.

You're preaching to the coverted. I think Bale is a phenomenal prospect. I've been more impressed by his left wing peformances than his left full back ones though. We'll see how he develops but it strikes me as strange that Redknapp even talks about moving him back, such has been his form in the attacking role.

Calling someone a 'phallus' in about the 15th post of a heated debate is clearly part of the banter on a football forum. How you manage to complain about this when people are incessantly called spastics and cnuts on here every day is beyond me...

In contrast, making yourself believe that anyone who plays for a rival team to United is a 'proper prick', and hating them intensely for it, when you're over the age of 15 is just retarded. It's also something Lailiani seems to want to excel at.

Did I call him a "proper prick"? Or indicate that I hated him? No, I merely stated that I think he's a fairly average player. Don't put words into my mouth to suit your agenda.

Also, I may call people spastics (always deserved, by the way), but I'm not the one who in the very next post derides other posters as being immature for using similar language.

You called me a phallus and then in your next post, you railed against Lailiani calling VdV a prick. You got on your high horse about Lailiani being judgemental of a player's personality, despite not knowing him, yet you did exactly the same thing about me. If I am in a nice mood, which I am, I would call you a hypocrite. If I were in a bad mood, which I am not, I would call you a spastic. Or a cnut.

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

Van der Vaart was actually pretty good, and consistently so for Hamburg. I don't know why he has this shoddy reputation on here... If he turns up for Spurs desperate to actually play and put Real behind him then Spurs have got themselves a brilliant deal...

Indeed. The biggest irony of all is he had consistent season at Real last year. But it's been lost on many in here.

 

[Feed Me]

He'd be nowhere near to getting into our starting eleven?

Where's he getting in then?

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

Spurs will have the best midfield in the league.

 

[Feed Me]

Indeed. The biggest irony of all is he had consistent season at Real last year. But it's been lost on many in here.

What seems to be lost on the advocates on opposing side of the argument is that, for whatever reason, this is a player who doesn't seem to be suited to being at a very top club. I think it's a fair reaction to say he thrives in an environment where he is considered one of the very top players. It would explain why his best form came at Hamburg.

The reason he couldn't get in the side at Real regularly is because they had better options than him.

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

What seems to be lost on the advocates on opposing side of the argument is that, for whatever reason, this is a player who doesn't seem to be suited to being at a very top club. I think it's a fair reaction to say he thrives in an environment where he is considered one of the very top players. It would explain why his best form came at Hamburg.

Last season he was at his best form at Real and playing very well. So your point is rather moot really. That is why most Real fans didn't expect to see him leave.

The reason he couldn't get in the side at Real regularly is because they had better options than him.

No way. People like Guti used to get games out of plain favoritism. The fact is the arguments being used against him now are the same that were leveled against Sneijder before he went to Inter. Stints at Real Madrid are no way to judge any player.

 

[Feed Me]

Last season he was at his best form at Real and playing very well. So your point is rather moot really. That is why most Real fans didn't expect to see him leave.

No way. People like Guti used to get games out of plain favortism.

Guti wasn't the only reason. After all, Guti ended up leaving himself, as well.

And that's kinda besides the point anyway, because Guti was a player with smashing ability - better than VdV imo - but a pretty poor attitude. There were times when Guti played last season and was the stand out player.

 

[Feed Me]

Last season he was at his best form at Real and playing very well. So your point is rather moot really. That is why most Real fans didn't expect to see him leave.

No way. People like Guti used to get games out of plain favoritism. The fact is the arguments being used against him now are the same that were leveled against Sneijder before he went to Inter. Stints at Real Madrid are no way to judge any player.

I knew someone would say Sneijder. But he has now done it at a big club. Before this season, I don't think anyone could have called him a world class player. If VdV has the same sort of season, then I'll retract my statement - he's not going to though.

 

[peterstorey]

The notion of Bale's defensive weakness at LB is greatly exaggerated. Trust me on this. Give it 2 more years and he'll be regarded as the best LB in the Prem.

He's already the best winger in the league and now he's going to be better than Ashley Cole and Evra at LB? I wouldn't trust you to tie your own shoelaces.

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

I knew someone would say Sneijder. But he has now done it at a big club. Before this season, I don't think anyone could have called him a world class player.

I did time and time again. I told people he often that he was of of the most underrated midfield generals in world football. I was also proven 100% correct.

He had already done big things at Ajax when they were silil big.

If VdV has the same sort of season, then I'll retract my statement - he's not going to thoughc

Trust me. You will retract your statement because RVDV will be very good for Spurs, if they do secure him. He is a far better player than most on here actually understand. For he can do everything Snejider does and more.

 

[BaldwinLegend]

RVDV will be very good for Spurs, if they do secure him. He is a far better player than most on here actually understand. For he can do everything Snejider does and more.

Not sure I agree with that last bit. Strange, as you've probably seen more of VdV than anyone on here...

 

[Feed Me]

I did time and time again. I told people he often that he was of of the most underrated midfield generals in world football. I was also proven 100% correct.

He had already done big things at Ajax when they were silil big.

Trust me. You will retract your statement because RVDV will be very good for Spurs, if they do secure him. He is a far better player than most on here actually understand. For he can do everything Snejider does and more.

Big statement.

It'll be interesting watching it unfold - talking to a Spurs fan in the office this morning, and he's not sure where they'll all fit.

 

[sincher]

Really good player. Doesn't really have a position.

Will be fun if the move is approved though. Would love to see Spurs stay in the top 4, and would be even more fun if at the expense of Arsenal. Don't really see that happening unless Arsenal have an injury crisis but who knows?

 

[gaffs]

I think scoring the goal may be more of a problem for Spurs than creating them.

I think they should have gone for a striker.

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

Guti wasn't the only reason. After all, Guti ended up leaving himself, as well.

After years of favortism towards him.

And that's kinda besides the point anyway, because Guti was a player with smashing ability - better than VdV imo - but a pretty poor attitude. There were times when Guti played last season and was the stand out player.

Vander vaart is better player than Guti. Always has been.

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

I think scoring the goal may be more of a problem for Spurs than creating them.

I think they should have gone for a striker.

Defoe & Crouch can knock them in regularly enough. Pavyluchenko is no slouch either. I don't get why people think their strike force is lacking. It's not like Spurs have problems scoring goals.

 

[kouroux]

VDV was good for Madrid.When he was needed he delivered impressively in a context full of pressure but to say he's always been better than Guti is laughable Chief

 

[GlastonSpur]

He's already the best winger in the league and now he's going to be better than Ashley Cole and Evra at LB? I wouldn't trust you to tie your own shoelaces.

In 2 years time both Evra and Cole will be 31, whilst Bale will be 23 and have another 2 years experience under his belt.

Harry sees Bale's long-term future as a LB and I'd regard Harry as (a) a decent judge of a footballer and (b) best-placed to know Bale, since he sees him training or playing day in and day out.

So yes, IMO in around 2 years from now Bale may well be regarded as the best LB in the Prem.

 

[sincher]

Or at least the one that most resembles an ape.

 

[Dan]

As this deal was done so late on, was there time to have a medical?

 

[Ekeke]

In 2 years time both Evra and Cole will be 31, whilst Bale will be 23 and have another 2 years experience under his belt.

Harry sees Bale's long-term future as a LB and I'd regard Harry as (a) a decent judge of a footballer and (b) best-placed to know Bale, since he sees him training or playing day in and day out.

So yes, IMO in around 2 years from now Bale may well be regarded as the best LB in the Prem.

At 31 both Cole and Evra are likely to be at the height of their powers, with more experience and even more developed skills. Another 2 years (33) and we should be seeing the start of their decline. But unless they are unlucky with injury they should be firing on all cylinders at 31 years of age.

 

[GlastonSpur]

These fecking yids with their proclaimed 'rags to riches' achievement.

Spurs finished 5th 2 seasons in a row and came a decent dinner away from nicking the Champions League spot off Arsenal in 2006. Then they get rid of their best manager in years and suffer the consequences by having a shite start to the season and ending up bottom of the league. Redknapp comes in and steadys the ship then yes they have a very good season and get the 4th spot but Liverpool having their worst domestic season for about 10 years did help.

It does my fecking head in when the yids say 'we were bottom of the league 2 years ago and now look at us'. You were under-achieving for years!

Actually, I agree with what you've said about Spurs finishing 5th etc etc. I've said it before myself on here.

In mentioning the move from bottom of the league to CL, I was merely responding to peterstorey's post and its attempt to disguise his obvious displeasure that Spurs appear to have bagged VdV.

 

[Team Brian GB]

The notion of Bale's defensive weakness at LB is greatly exaggerated. Trust me on this. Give it 2 more years and he'll be regarded as the best LB in the Prem.

That is a very optimistic comment, Bale would have to get much better, Cole and Evra must go into decline, then you'd have to assume that the likes of Clichy, Gibbs, Zhirkov won't progress either and Man United and Chelsea if Cole and Evra decline will have to not replace them - a sequence of events that is not at all likely.

If Bale was to become the best left back in England I doubt he'd still be at Tottenham.

 

[CnutOfAllCnuts]

Bale will be playing for United, Chelsea or Liverpool (if they sort out their moneys) in a season or two.

 

[Ish]

Defoe & Crouch can knock them in regularly enough. Pavyluchenko is no slouch either. I don't get why people think their strike force is lacking. It's not like Spurs have problems scoring goals.

Yeah, IMO, i think Spurs' biggest weakness is not scoring or creating, but CM/DM positions - they are void of any "worldly" talent in those positions and maybe they are a bit weak in defence aswell.

It would be interesting to see how their performances are affected if they started playing 4-5-1 more regularly, or albeit especially against the top teams.

 

[sincher]

Bale will be playing for United, Chelsea or Liverpool (if they sort out their moneys) in a season or two.

No, can't see that happening.

 

[Sarni]

Yeah, IMO, i think Spurs' biggest weakness is not scoring or creating, but CM/DM positions - they are void of any "worldly" talent in those positions and maybe they are a bit weak in defence aswell

Huddlestone and Palacios are both very good players.

 

[FranklyVulgar]

Huddlestone and Palacios are both very good players.

lovely passer with nice technique but he has the turning circle of a double decker bus and the pace of a tortoise underneath one.

 

[RonaldoVII]

Sounds like the move has a hitch and Spurs need special dispensation from the PL for the move to go through.

Sky Sports | Football News | Premier League | Tottenham Hotspur | Spurs hit Van der Vaart hitch

 

[red2deadboy]

In 2 years time both Evra and Cole will be 31, whilst Bale will be 23 and have another 2 years experience under his belt.

Harry sees Bale's long-term future as a LB and I'd regard Harry as (a) a decent judge of a footballer and (b) best-placed to know Bale, since he sees him training or playing day in and day out.

So yes, IMO in around 2 years from now Bale may well be regarded as the best LB in the Prem.

I like old Harry, though if Bale continues to improve out on the left-wing it would be stupid to move him back to LB and potentially replace LW with inferior player. IMO it would make more sense to find a half decent attacking LB who could compliment Bale and have one of the best Left-sides in the league.

 

[red2deadboy]

I still think Spurs are somewhat lacking in the defense department, though their midfield is shaping up to look half decent. Hopefully Harry will work out that he needs to play 5 accross the middle against the bigger teams and in Europe.

----------Pal
Bale-----Modric----Lennon
------VDV-----Palac


Looks a half decent mid/attack to me!

 

[Sparky_Hughes]

I fully expect us to sign Vdv from spurs for at least £30 million in two years......fecking levy

 

[SharkyMcShark]

I still think Spurs are somewhat lacking in the defense department, though their midfield is shaping up to look half decent. Hopefully Harry will work out that he needs to play 5 accross the middle against the bigger teams and in Europe.

----------Pal
Bale-----Modric----Lennon
------VDV-----Palac


Looks a half decent mid/attack to me!

Surely VDV and Scholesy, er Modric have to be in swapped positions here.

 

[davisjw]

I still think Spurs are somewhat lacking in the defense department, though their midfield is shaping up to look half decent. Hopefully Harry will work out that he needs to play 5 accross the middle against the bigger teams and in Europe.

----------Pal
Bale-----Modric----Lennon
------VDV-----Palac


Looks a half decent mid/attack to me!

I quite like their midfield, very mobile.

Interesting you put Pal over Crouch (can score in the CL) or Defoe (mobility). Seems no one likes Keane anymore

I think a lot of people are forgetting about Dos Santos who had a great WC and an impressive preseason. I would expect him to step up this season.

 

[Mitch Conor]

Mixed reports slipping about - Mirror indicating deal won't be ratified.Guardian saying (again on twitter) that spurs are confident it will go through

 

[charleysurf]

The Premier League loses this:

But gains this

 

[Blair]

The Premier League loses this:

But gains this

Who are they?

 

[charleysurf]

Who are they?

Tsk tsk, not knowing your WAGs. Aquilani's on top, and Van Der Vaarts below.

 

[Kinky Melinky]

Deal Done

From official Tottenham Website

The fecking Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime I'm working with (Spurs fan) is going mental with excitement

 

[ha_rooney]

Looks a good team when Harry goes 4-5-1, but he rarely does so. More of a luxury signing in my opinion considering they have Modric and Krancjar who can offer creativity from midfield. Will make a good CL signing though.