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Crazy stuff that. I've been in mild debates with people that can't grasp that the military has its internal malcontents. They can't believe the military has its share of criminals, psychopaths, and sociopaths.

Here's the initial reporting from the NYT as linked inside the article above.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/29/us/politics/navy-seals-team-6-strangle-green-beret-mali.html?_r=0

I can remember my grandpa saying that fratricide did happen occasionally in Vietnam though he never saw it firsthand. Granted, that was probably more due to other reasons not theft/criminal activity; although, with the drug trade gaining steam towards the end of the war perhaps there was a connection to some deaths/fratricide.
 
Posted it in the Trump thread earlier. No clue what it might be, but if its not a massive story then this guy is toast.

Bit of a damp squib. The NSA story from the NYT is a much more alarming and worrying story.
 
Crazy stuff that. I've been in mild debates with people that can't grasp that the military has its internal malcontents. They can't believe the military has its share of criminals, psychopaths, and sociopaths.

Here's the initial reporting from the NYT as linked inside the article above.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/29/us/politics/navy-seals-team-6-strangle-green-beret-mali.html?_r=0

I can remember my grandpa saying that fratricide did happen occasionally in Vietnam though he never saw it firsthand. Granted, that was probably more due to other reasons not theft/criminal activity; although, with the drug trade gaining steam towards the end of the war perhaps there was a connection to some deaths/fratricide.

But doesn't Seal Team 6 suppose to have extreme vetting?
 
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Ahh finally Gloria Allred gets involved. This should be good. I'll bet Lisa Bloom takes the next accuser.
 
They'll double down in their defence of Moore now that Gloria Allred is involved.
 
https://theintercept.com/2017/11/10...ues-for-years-but-could-never-nail-them-down/
REPUBLICAN STRATEGISTS IN Alabama have for years heard rumors that Roy Moore had “women issues” — a euphemism for sexual misconduct used in the politics business — according to four sources who ran various campaigns against Moore, but they were never able to get definitive proof.

“There’s been a rumor for a while,” said David Mowery, an independent political consultant who first heard the allegations in his role as campaign manager for Bob Vance, Moore’s opponent in a 2012 race for chief justice of the Alabama Supreme Court. “But I don’t know if anyone knew the extent of it, if you know what I mean,” Mowery added.
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One Republican strategist who declined to be named said Moore’s problematic history with women was common knowledge in political circles, but the specifics — that he preyed on and molested a 14-year-old girl, as the Washington Post reported Thursday — were unknown until this week. Part of the problem with chasing the story, the strategist added, is that rumors attach to so many men in power. “He’s got women issues going way back,” the strategist said he was told. “I feel like you hear that about everybody.”
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Those who have run against Moore, however, are pessimistic his voters will leave him over the molestation scandal. “Unless there is some sort of definitive proof that this is true, Roy Moore voters will be invigorated,” said Angi Stalnaker, a prominent strategist who has run multiple campaigns against Moore.
 
McConnell should come out and guarantee Luther Strange wont be contesting the seat as a write-in candidate. A lot of the Moore supporters who are still backing him think these allegations are a ploy to get Strange elected.
 
I've never heard a good word about Alabama. Sounds like an 18th-century shithole full of Christian nuts.
 
Watched her tell her account on CNN. It was chilling. If Moore survives this Alabama really has no hope

The dynamics haven't changed.

Moore is anti-establishment, and the likes of McConnell and co. not supporting him will just embolden the base. If the party allows Strange to be a ballot option then the timing will look suspicious. If Moore makes it to the Senate floor... Will they deny him his seat, giving the Democrats more of an advantage in the Senate?

Roy Moore has been a high profile figure in Alabama politics for years. It's intriguing that nothing has come out on this until now (even if that isn't politically correct to say).
 
The dynamics haven't changed.

Moore is anti-establishment, and the likes of McConnell and co. not supporting him will just embolden the base. If the party allows Strange to be a ballot option then the timing will look suspicious. If Moore makes it to the Senate floor... Will they deny him his seat, giving the Democrats more of an advantage in the Senate?

Roy Moore has been a high profile figure in Alabama politics for years. It's intriguing that nothing has come out on this until now (even if that isn't politically correct to say).
It had, but people weren't listening.



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"Him liking and dating young girls was never a secret in Gadsden when we were all in high school," said Sheryl Porter. "In our neighborhoods up by Noccalula Falls we heard it all the time. Even people at the courthouse know it was a well-known secret.

"It's just sad how these girls (who accused Moore) are getting hammered and called liars, especially Leigh (Corfman)."

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Teresa Jones, who said she worked at the Etowah County District Attorney's Office with Moore, took to Twitter on Friday to say it was "common knowledge" that he pursued teenage girls.

"As a Deputy DA in Gadsden when Roy Moore was there, it was common knowledge about Roy's propensity for teenage girls," she tweeted. "I'm appalled that these women are being skewered for the truth."

She later told CNN that Moore often went to local high school events and other hangouts: "It was common knowledge that Roy dated high school girls, everyone we knew thought it was weird...We wondered why someone his age would hang out at high school football games and the mall."
 
I've never heard a good word about Alabama. Sounds like an 18th-century shithole full of Christian nuts.

My mum used to live in the good part of Alabama called Alabaster, everything else was a dive but that place was okay, having travelled around Alabama by train and car i can duely say there is literally nothing to do other than get drunk or sit and look at Tree's (it admittedly does have a beautiful scenery) Mobile is a good place to drive through and probably the best place to go (funnily enough it's on the coast) and FloraBama is okay if you like the "broooooo" culture, however to sum up my time there.... it's boring as hell, the people are friendly unless you bump into the religious one's and everything looks like it hasn't been updated since the 80's. the 1880's that is.

Oh and if you ever goto Birmingham, Alabama... don't get out the car.

Pro's -

Good Beer - Try "Good People Brewery"

Con's

Everthing Else
 
It had, but people weren't listening.



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He's been a conservative nutjob in Alabama politics for decades. You can't equate rumors around town to regional coverage.

And for the record, I think there is this much uncertainty over whether you pursued sexual relations with minors you should resign from office (or running for it).
 
The dynamics haven't changed.

Moore is anti-establishment, and the likes of McConnell and co. not supporting him will just embolden the base. If the party allows Strange to be a ballot option then the timing will look suspicious. If Moore makes it to the Senate floor... Will they deny him his seat, giving the Democrats more of an advantage in the Senate?

Roy Moore has been a high profile figure in Alabama politics for years. It's intriguing that nothing has come out on this until now (even if that isn't politically correct to say).

They'll probably do what they did with Trump: get behind him, say the result has to be respected, and only come out with vague, occasional murmurings of disapproval when he does something wrong while taking no actual action.
 
They'll probably do what they did with Trump: get behind him, say the result has to be respected, and only come out with vague, occasional murmurings of disapproval when he does something wrong while taking no actual action.

Rachel Maddow brings up a very good point; if the Republican caucus are serious about barring Moore from the Senate, they'll come out and categorically state that if he gets elected by Alabama voters, they will vote to disbar him. Seeing that they haven't done so, I think you're right. Trump's noncommittal will give them enough space to hide behind.
 
My prediction: Trump will come back to the U.S. He will wait 24 hours or so "to learn the facts", and then will call for Moore to step aside. That way 1) he will look like a decisive man against sexual misconduct, 2) will say "I didn't endorse Moore in the primary elections... I told you so", and 3) he may get rid of Sessions-- get him leaving the Justice Department, appoint a new AG who will oversee the Mueller investigation, and maybe even dissolve the committee.
 
He's been a conservative nutjob in Alabama politics for decades. You can't equate rumors around town to regional coverage.

And for the record, I think there is this much uncertainty over whether you pursued sexual relations with minors you should resign from office (or running for it).

A friendly guy even back in the days...

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Lover and supporter of young lives.
 


I think the GOP will be saving this one so it’s active during the mid-terms.

They wont be certain that it will lead to anything but leaks, suggestions, misinformation and downright lies at carefully selected moments will be damaging for the Dems.

You can picture the scene right now. Hannity, if he survives and Brietbart will be running with all sorts of crap. “Just how deep into the Democrats did this go? Reports are suggesting today that 16 Democrats that are up for re-election were all complicit in Hillary’s corrupt selling the US’s Uranium”
 
What I don't understand is how much damage they think an investigation into Clinton can cause.
 
What I don't understand is how much damage they think an investigation into Clinton can cause.

It doesn't need to find a single factual piece of evidence of any wrongdoing. All it needs to do it become a staple news story on FOX News and Brietbart every fecking day for the next year or two, with particular speculation on any day when Mueller's investigation has anything important to report. It would be the pinnacle of whataboutism, and could quite possibly make the GOP base tune out on Mueller.
 
Interesting tax study.

https://itep.org/the-35-percent-corporate-tax-myth/#taxratesbyindustry
It’s important to note a key piece of this report’s methodology. The report only includes corporations that were consistently profitable over the eight-year period from 2008 to 2015. In other words, if a firm had a loss in even one year, it is excluded from this report. By leaving out corporations that had losses (which means they wouldn’t pay any tax), this report provides a straightforward picture of average effective tax rates paid by our nation’s biggest and consistently profitable companies. Two hundred and fifty-eight Fortune 500 companies were consistently profitable in each of the eight years between 2008 and 2015.

As a group, the 258 corporations paid an effective federal income tax rate of 21.2 percent over the eight-year period, slightly over half the statutory 35 percent tax rate.

Eighteen of the corporations, including General Electric, International Paper, Priceline.com and PG&E, paid no federal income tax at all over the eight-year period. A fifth of the corporations (48) paid an effective tax rate of less than 10 percent over that period.

Of those corporations in our sample with significant offshore profits, more than half paid higher corporate tax rates to foreign governments where they operate than they paid in the United States on their U.S. profits.

One hundred of the 258 companies (39 percent of them) paid zero or less in federal income taxes in at least one year from 2008 to 2015.

The sectors with the lowest effective corporate tax rates over the eight-year period were Utilities, Gas and Electric (3.1 percent), Industrial Machinery (11.4 percent), Telecommunications (11.5 percent), Oil, Gas, and Pipelines (11.6 percent), and Internet Services and Retailing (15.6 percent). Each of these industries paid, as a group, less than half the statutory 35 percent tax rate over this eight-year period.

The tax breaks claimed by these companies are highly concentrated in the hands of a few very large corporations. Just 25 companies claimed $286 billion in tax breaks over the eight years between 2008 and 2015. That’s more than half the $527 billion in tax subsidies claimed by all of the 258 companies in our sample.

Five companies — AT&T, Wells Fargo, J.P. Morgan Chase, Verizon, and IBM — enjoyed more than $130 billion in tax breaks during the eight-year period.

30 companies paid effective eight-year tax rates between zero and 10 percent. Their average effective tax rate was 6.9 percent.

Even worse is that 18 companies paid less than 0 percent over the eight-year period. Their effective tax rate averaged -4 percent.

66 companies (about a quarter of the companies in this report), paid effective eight-year tax rates of more than 30 percent. Their average effective tax rate was 33.6 percent