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Because you're not in an Arsenal forum.

Every Chelsea youth striker scored shitloads of goals due to the system and quality they have.Goalscoring record at youth level doesn't always convert into senior level performance.Bojan used to break Messi's record.

I actually rate Abraham higher than Solanke.
Abraham plays on the flank often, thats why I didnt mention him. But even that, Solanke has performed for the respective English youth levels too, top scorer of the youth league with scoring in every round. And even he isnt really getting hyped up.
 
"So you think you know better than LVG?" is one of the most irritating and stupid lines of argument you see here. It's a classic case of someone appealing to authority when they're not able to properly oppose whatever argument/evidence/facts they've come up against.

Obviously none of us know more about football than LVG or SAF before him. We also don't know as much about football as Moyes, Hodgson, Allardyce or pretty much any other manager we slag off. The reality is an average PL manager knows far, far more about the realities of football than the entire caf combined.

That doesn't mean they've never been wrong though, or that posters who argued against various things they did were never proven right. If we followed the "X is a top class manager, X must be right" line of thought then we wouldn't be able to give our opinion on anything that happens to the team.
 
"So you think you know better than LVG?" is one of the most irritating and stupid lines of argument you see here. It's a classic case of someone appealing to authority when they're not able to properly oppose whatever argument/evidence/facts they've come up against.

Obviously none of us know more about football than LVG or SAF before him. We also don't know as much about football as Moyes, Hodgson, Allardyce or pretty much any other manager we slag off. The reality is an average PL manager knows far, far more about the realities of football than the entire caf combined.

That doesn't mean they've never been wrong though, or that posters who argued against various things they did were never proven right. If we followed the "X is a top class manager, X must be right" line of thought then we wouldn't be able to give our opinion on anything that happens to the team.

I agree.
 
I believe that a player's status (be that as a "World class player" or "the best in the World" or whatever label they receive) should be based on the previous 12 months and nothing else. Look at Falcao... I've heard so many people label him as "used to be a world class striker" but he's no longer this and should be judged on his most current form. ADM has shown sparks of brilliance last season (the start of the season he was fantastic) but over the course of the season (taking into account injuries and the well-documented problems even) he was just 'good'. He MAY become the World class ADM from his final season at Real Madrid again next season, but he might not. At the moment he's just a 'good' player IMO. We need him to get back to his very best form but if his heart's not in it then I believe he should be sold but only after he hands in a transfer request. Why should players who want to leave be given a 10% (or whatever it is) of the transfer fee if it's their choice to depart?
Is Harry Kane world class?
 
I am hoping no scout or players agent would be using this benchmark when they are considering taking ADM off from us. LOL We paid £60M last year. Anyway, I am really torn here because we are doing very bad business here.

Anyway, I just saw something about he's close to joining PSG for £46M. So this is a moot point here about him. The news is from Express quoting the French magazine "France Football"
Is Harry Kane world class?

I wouldn't say Harry Kane's performances last year put him in the "World class" bracket of players to be fair, but he was one of the best strikers in England. What i'm trying to say is that a player should be judged on where he currently resides. To me, Di Maria's form from last season suggests that he's currently not one of the best attacking players in Europe. Just like Falcao. Harry Kane, on the other hand, could (and should) be classed as one of the best based on his last 12 months
 
Unless we sign a world class forward we should never have sold RVP this season.
 
Having a great defence and a good set of strikers is more important than having good midfielders. That's why I fear we might not see a lot of improvement on last season as we haven't really strenghtened our defence and we rely on Depay settling fast and Rooney finding his old self.
 
Having a great defence and a good set of strikers is more important than having good midfielders. That's why I fear we might not see a lot of improvement on last season as we haven't really strenghtened our defence and we rely on Depay settling fast and Rooney finding his old self.

SAF, is that you?
 
I agree! Some people on here would point finger at those who are asking a few questions and making observation and then label them anti LvG. Granted every United fan should stand behind the manager thick and thin but as cliche goes: no one is bigger than the club (unless you are Fergie of course:))

The way the manager is going, is to work hard to keep his job. We all want him to be successful for the sake of our club of course but to him it's a personal challenge and goal.

His intention is to go down in history to be a successful manager in Holland, in Spain, in Germany and eventually in England. He doesn't think he owes us a duty to see us thrive in the future after him. That's the sad part!


That bolded part what does that mean? Do you mean LVG is building a team for short term success and not planning for the future?
 
That bolded part what does that mean? Do you mean LVG is building a team for short term success and not planning for the future?
Van Gaal gets credited with laying the foundation for the success Rijkaard, Pep had at Barça, along with Heynckes and Pep at Bayern so what you've bolded in the post you quoted is a bit bizarre.
 
Van Gaal gets credited with laying the foundation for the success Rijkaard, Pep had at Barça, along with Heynckes and Pep at Bayern so what you've bolded in the post you quoted is a bit bizarre.

Well yeah thats what i was thinking also mate to an extent.

But even if he was planning on short term success could we blame him?. This is his last rodeo we know that.

A lot of us United fans are used to Fergusons methods of planning team building years in advance, but the vast majority of managers don't have the 100% job security Ferguson knew he had to do that. But even Ferguson bought RVP in his last year that was hardly one for the future.
 
Well yeah thats what i was thinking also mate to an extent.

But even if he was planning on short term success could we blame him?. This is his last rodeo we know that.

A lot of us United fans are used to Fergusons methods of planning team building years in advance, but the vast majority of managers don't have the 100% job security Ferguson knew he had to do that. But even Ferguson bought RVP in his last year that was hardly one for the future.

And we have a very young team, bringing more youth would have been completely stupid, we needed players to tutor our young team.
 
Well yeah thats what i was thinking also mate to an extent.

But even if he was planning on short term success could we blame him?. This is his last rodeo we know that.

A lot of us United fans are used to Fergusons methods of planning team building years in advance, but the vast majority of managers don't have the 100% job security Ferguson knew he had to do that. But even Ferguson bought RVP in his last year that was hardly one for the future.

Not to mention he preferred to bring back scholes
 
Messi is cut more slack than Ronaldo. If Messi does something he would be critiscized but Ronaldo would be crucified
 
And we have a very young team, bringing more youth would have been completely stupid, we needed players to tutor our young team.

Yeah too many of our experienced players Giggs/Rio etc. were allowed to get too old and weren't properly replaced. We missed that last season big time.

I think LVG is trying to transplant some top level experience back into the side with Schweinsteiger and potentially Ramos/Pedro.

Not to mention he preferred to bring back scholes

Well yeah theres that also, those 6 months after Scholes came out of retirement were amazing. But it should have been left at that.
 
Unless we sign a world class forward we should never have sold RVP this season.
How true! It is really bad business selling one of the best strikers around (not just in England). RvP can always pull off some magic to make a difference (a difference that not many players are able to make). He also had good attitude and is always positive about our club.
 
How true! It is really bad business selling one of the best strikers around (not just in England). RvP can always pull off some magic to make a difference (a difference that not many players are able to make). He also had good attitude and is always positive about our club.
The old RVP definitely. The RVP of last season? No way.
 
The old RVP definitely. The RVP of last season? No way.
Only time will tell! If he excels in Turkey some fans like you on here will have to eat the humble pies. And God forbid he won't come back to haunt us if he plays us in the future. Of course I wish him well when not playing us as I really like him.
 
I wouldn't say Harry Kane's performances last year put him in the "World class" bracket of players to be fair, but he was one of the best strikers in England. What i'm trying to say is that a player should be judged on where he currently resides. To me, Di Maria's form from last season suggests that he's currently not one of the best attacking players in Europe. Just like Falcao. Harry Kane, on the other hand, could (and should) be classed as one of the best based on his last 12 months

However, even world class players can have a bad year or two.

Form is temporary, class is permanent! :-)
 
Tyler Blackett > Paddy McNair

That's not a dig at McNair, just think Blackett has more of a chance at making it.
 
The old RVP definitely. The RVP of last season? No way.

He is only 31 and had just came back after a World Cup and looked jaded. None of our strikers excelled or even looked decent last year (Falcao could really hammer home this point next season). RVP should have been given a rest (close season) and a chance to be our main striker this season in a more settled team. Unless the club have signed someone or been given assurances about a target I think it's a big mistake on our part.
 
If the 11 against Barca is an indication of how we'll line up next season (minus Blind at CB)...It's gonna take him another half season to realize Herrera should be a starter, and if he persists with that 4-4-1-1 with Memphis as a 10 he's gonna change it before the end of the season as well. I don't think the quality of our football will be much better than last season, at least not until deep into the season.
 
If the 11 against Barca is an indication of how we'll line up next season (minus Blind at CB)...It's gonna take him another half season to realize Herrera should be a starter, and if he persists with that 4-4-1-1 with Memphis as a 10 he's gonna change it before the end of the season as well. I don't think the quality of our football will be much better than last season, at least not until deep into the season.

This.
 
Unless we sign a striker it doesn't matter what formation LvG plays, we're going to struggle like last season and everyone is going to blame his tinkering rather than the real problem of us having nobody to spearhead the attack during the 30 games a season Rooney isn't playing well.
 
I've got a few I want to get out there
  • There was nothing wrong with Fergie's transfer policy in his last years - the team was good enough to win the league comfortably and would've beaten Madrid if not for the referee being a cnut. I'm sure Fergie was aware of the gaps in the team and the need to bring in new players, as I'm sure he would've done if he didn't retire. The blame is on Moyes for fecking up the transfer window. He spent the whole time trying to sign Baines, Fellaini and Fabregas and Bale instead of going for better and obtainable targets. The reason we spent so much last season was catching up on Moyes' failure to address the gaps at the end of 12/13.
  • People will realise how crap Valencia is now that we've signed Darmian. I expect LvG to inexplicably rotate both of them, until something forces him to stop experimenting. I reckon our defence will be must more secure now we've got a proper RB. Valencia is fast and strong but his ball watching and lack of awareness causes a lot of panic at the back. That and he has no confidence or urgency going forward. It was good to see Darmian actually put a cross into a dangerous area yesterday.
  • Mata has been a disappointment for us. Tidy player and very clinical but his lack of athleticism and killer instinct passing wise really does hold us back.
  • Rojo is a poor signing. If you add in the Nani loan and wages, he cost us somewhere upwards of £20m. He's rash and not particularly good at anything and very expensive for a player we only got because he's left footed and missed our on Vermalaen. Gets a free ride though because it's more fashionable to criticise Smalling/Evans/Jones who aren't at the level expected of them. I hope we don't sell Evans to keep him.
  • We shouldn't have sold Welbeck. His goal record for us was never as bad as suggested. When he started up front he normally scored 1 in 2 starts roughly and was a very useful player for his movement and energy (e.g. vs Real Madrid and Bayern he scared the hell out of them). Would still be here under Fergie IMO.
 
We should have signed Vidal instead of Schneiderlin, he would have complemented Herrera and the formation we were operating with alot better.
Now we are changing to a 2 holding midfielder system and Herrera who cost us £30m will be left out alot.
 
1. Our defence is good enough, fitness permitting.

2. So long as Wayne Rooney is our first choice striker our attack will no longer be good enough.
 
I've got a few I want to get out there
  • There was nothing wrong with Fergie's transfer policy in his last years - the team was good enough to win the league comfortably and would've beaten Madrid if not for the referee being a cnut. I'm sure Fergie was aware of the gaps in the team and the need to bring in new players, as I'm sure he would've done if he didn't retire. The blame is on Moyes for fecking up the transfer window. He spent the whole time trying to sign Baines, Fellaini and Fabregas and Bale instead of going for better and obtainable targets. The reason we spent so much last season was catching up on Moyes' failure to address the gaps at the end of 12/13.
  • People will realise how crap Valencia is now that we've signed Darmian. I expect LvG to inexplicably rotate both of them, until something forces him to stop experimenting. I reckon our defence will be must more secure now we've got a proper RB. Valencia is fast and strong but his ball watching and lack of awareness causes a lot of panic at the back. That and he has no confidence or urgency going forward. It was good to see Darmian actually put a cross into a dangerous area yesterday.
  • Mata has been a disappointment for us. Tidy player and very clinical but his lack of athleticism and killer instinct passing wise really does hold us back.
  • Rojo is a poor signing. If you add in the Nani loan and wages, he cost us somewhere upwards of £20m. He's rash and not particularly good at anything and very expensive for a player we only got because he's left footed and missed our on Vermalaen. Gets a free ride though because it's more fashionable to criticise Smalling/Evans/Jones who aren't at the level expected of them. I hope we don't sell Evans to keep him.
  • We shouldn't have sold Welbeck. His goal record for us was never as bad as suggested. When he started up front he normally scored 1 in 2 starts roughly and was a very useful player for his movement and energy (e.g. vs Real Madrid and Bayern he scared the hell out of them). Would still be here under Fergie IMO.

Think it's a bit harsh to give out to Moyes for targeting "unobtainable" players in that transfer window given we've since signed the likes of Mata, Di Maria, Schweinsteiger and are currently pursuing Sergio Ramos. I'm sure he was told that those targets weren't actually unobtainable, which really shifts the blame elsewhere. Plus in hindsight you can see why they might have thought Cesc was gettable given he did leave Barca the very next year.
 
1. Memphis Depay is neither a #9 nor a #10 and needs to be played instead of Ashley Young.

2. We will struggle again for fourth place if we do not sign a world-class centre-back.

3. We are lacking a creative player in the mould of Hazard, David Silva or Agüero.

4. Arsenal will win the League this season.
 
I've got a few I want to get out there
  • There was nothing wrong with Fergie's transfer policy in his last years - the team was good enough to win the league comfortably and would've beaten Madrid if not for the referee being a cnut. I'm sure Fergie was aware of the gaps in the team and the need to bring in new players, as I'm sure he would've done if he didn't retire. The blame is on Moyes for fecking up the transfer window. He spent the whole time trying to sign Baines, Fellaini and Fabregas and Bale instead of going for better and obtainable targets. The reason we spent so much last season was catching up on Moyes' failure to address the gaps at the end of 12/13.
  • People will realise how crap Valencia is now that we've signed Darmian. I expect LvG to inexplicably rotate both of them, until something forces him to stop experimenting. I reckon our defence will be must more secure now we've got a proper RB. Valencia is fast and strong but his ball watching and lack of awareness causes a lot of panic at the back. That and he has no confidence or urgency going forward. It was good to see Darmian actually put a cross into a dangerous area yesterday.
  • Mata has been a disappointment for us. Tidy player and very clinical but his lack of athleticism and killer instinct passing wise really does hold us back.
  • Rojo is a poor signing. If you add in the Nani loan and wages, he cost us somewhere upwards of £20m. He's rash and not particularly good at anything and very expensive for a player we only got because he's left footed and missed our on Vermalaen. Gets a free ride though because it's more fashionable to criticise Smalling/Evans/Jones who aren't at the level expected of them. I hope we don't sell Evans to keep him.
  • We shouldn't have sold Welbeck. His goal record for us was never as bad as suggested. When he started up front he normally scored 1 in 2 starts roughly and was a very useful player for his movement and energy (e.g. vs Real Madrid and Bayern he scared the hell out of them). Would still be here under Fergie IMO.

Agree with all of this, barring I'd prefer Rojo over Evans. Mata for me is a bench player and nothing more. He's too slow for my liking.


1. Memphis Depay is neither a #9 nor a #10 and needs to be played instead of Ashley Young.

2. We will struggle again for fourth place if we do not sign a world-class centre-back.

3. We are lacking a creative player in the mould of Hazard, David Silva or Agüero.

4. Arsenal will win the League this season.

Agree with the first three points, the second especially. Although, number 1, for me, depends on if we sign a Di Maria replacement.
 
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