Haven't you heard? Pereira and Wilson would be 1st team starters at any other decent club.
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Haven't you heard? Pereira and Wilson would be 1st team starters at any other decent club.
The only rational fans are the ones who dont go on to football forums.
This is a sweeping statement and speculative. Who is to say LvG would be leaving a team which in your opinion has a new spine. Nani is still a player who I felt it's a shame we got rid of. And Anderson was only bad when he became fat. No one can guarantee a team LvG leaves behind would not include a player or two who struggled with being overweight
It depends how much you value continuity. I think we'd have better success next season with RVP staying for instance; rather than a new striker who has probably never played under the system Van Gaal likes and has probably also never played in the Premier League. Likewise I'd have liked to have seen a season with Carrick being talked up as a key component: two injuries and people on here talk about him as if he's Gerrard.
If Di Maria leaves and gets replaced; again that's a choice for the club, if Van Gaal wanted to I'm sure he could persuade him to stay another year. Plus I would argue that Depay would be replacing his position anyway.
Leaving all that aside though; I am actually fine with not competing next year. If not being competitive for 2 seasons under Van Gaal leads to us having a team that'll have be built to compete consistently for the following 5-6 years, then the complete revamp will have been worth it. We are all aware what Van Gaal had to work with when he first arrived: years of under-spending and a previous Summer of complete and total ineptitude. The problem comes with fans' expectations; most people now expect us to compete, despite potentially fielding a team of 11 players against Tottenham that were not United players 14 months previous. That unbelievable level of change isn't conducive to a team competing.
Of course it hasn't helped that the 4 key players he signed last year that he probably intended to be fully integrated and key to our success going forward (Di Maria, Falcao, Herrera, Shaw) have all had their own huge problems. We can only prey he has better luck this time around.
Addressing your points could well be a waste of my time. You approach every single debate with a such a pro-Ferguson stance that it's practically impossible to hold reasoned debate. And many of your comments surrounding Van Gaal seem to be agenda-driven, at times verging on baseless. He doesn't give players an "honest chance?" Righto.
Januzaj had a tough second season because he didn't play enough games. Same applies to many young footballers at top clubs who sit on their arse for far too long.
This was partly to do with him not taking his chances, as well the pressing need for the manager to win lots of games. Last season was no season to bed in young players going through a bit of a rut. Every manager, whoever it was, would have likely encountered the same issues. Expect Ferguson, of course...
I agree that continuity is important, but these are unique cases. Van Persie is 32 and was earning over 200k a week. We play one up top, and the other striker is captain Rooney. We cant accommodate a squad player on those wages and we've absolutely done the right thing by letting him leave.
Di Maria, it appears, just never wanted to be here in the first place. Continuity is all well and good, but is it reasonable to keep a £60 million commodity who just isn't interested in what the club wants to achieve? If this is the case then we're better off rid.
Carrick is 34, plus all the senior bods at the club have watched the Scholes/Giggs replacement farce before their very eyes. We're replacing our oldie early this time and, again, I think we're right to do so.
I agree with the rest of what you say. Truth be told, I'm very sceptical of any success this season. A gut feeling, more than anything. Our squad turnover has been unprecedented in recent times and naturally things are going to take a little time to sort themselves out.
I like Benteke and Bony, especially the latter could be a good purchase imo.
Have you heard of the saying, "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything"? You don't like my approach, granted. But there is absolutely no need to get personal and offend others like you did. Agenda-driven and baseless? Last year's top 4 spot has probably been celebrated by you. For me I was simply feeling a sign of relief, that's all. We were struggling to stay top 4 in fact at times I almost had heart attack fearing the worst. Of course you can say my opinion is baseless probably I have felt that way thinking LvG had a reputation and I had been expecting him to deliver the impossible! Come on, who can deliver like Fergie at United?!!! No one. So I should have been over the moon when we got top 4, eh. Mission accomplished and I have been too harsh on LvG. Should have never compared him to Fergie. Me bad.
Okay, seriously though, I did not invent it when I said "honest chance". RvP has been with the club for three years and under three managers, and even Moyes had not got onto his nerve to publicly denouncing the manager. In a way, I do side with RvP who has some reason to feel bitter. He was feeling a sense of betrayal. LvG has only achieved top 4, and you lot are giving him so much respect as if he could do no wrong. Why?! Why was I being agenda driven when I said something negative about him. I would hold my hands up the day he's winning us many games. I wish by Christmas we would not be 12 points below top 4. I really do.
The only comment which makes sense. LOLThis was partly to do with him not taking his chances, as well the pressing need for the manager to win lots of games. Last season was no season to bed in young players going through a bit of a rut. Every manager, whoever it was, would have likely encountered the same issues. Expect Ferguson, of course...
It's very easy to say players are given chances, but they failed. How many times Ole cames off the bench to prove Fergie right? Too many times. Because of his man management skill, Ole refused to be sold and the rest is history. Ole wouldn't stand a chance with LvG if you ask me. So would't Giggsy. But I am going to waste my time here. We just feel very differently about United and its managers, so don't come here insulting other posters like this. Stop!
A bigger waste of my time than I thought.
But you keep responding! What a sad soul.
I hope Depay nails the spot down, then there's Januzaj if he can step up. Young doesn't deserve to be dropped either. But hopefully Pereira can make an impact too
Totally agreed!
Wilson wouldn't currently be a first choice starter at any Premier League club
That's unpopular opinion?
Norwich's main striker is Cameron Jermone.
Ha ha, forgot about them! Send him there on loan!
I dont get why Wilson is so nailed on to be a future star for us, he's a good talent but for me no better than Akpom, Afobe and certainly not than Iheanacho nor Solanke. Dont see them really getting the hype, he does. He has some good attributes and I hooe he'll continue to develop.
I think it'll be easier to determine how good he's going to be within a year or two, since he's still only 19. I don't think he's shown a lot yet which suggests he's going to be a top talent, as you say, but he could emerge and surprise us. You've definitely got a point though, and plenty of people probably agree.
If we don't buy at least one top CB, we'll end up potless again this year.
A top CB doesn't even guarantee us a trophy.
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It's not an anti-anyone opinion, dumdum. It's an anti-shit football opinion, which unfortunately won't change unless the football on the ground changes.
I am football fan, not some *********** trying to score points on a football forum or trying to pretend as some sagacious know-it-all. Football and United will always be about entertainment to me, always.
Solanke hasn't shown anything that suggest that he'll be better than Wilson.His all round game is average.He's an excellent finisher but so is Wilson.
Iheanacho hasn't got much hype because he only has played a few games for City after getting his work permit.Akpom is as much hyped up as Wilson.
If we continue to play shit football more than half of the time this season LVG needs to go regardless of result.
If United's football doesn't improve on what they played for a fair chunk of last season, he'd have few excuses if any. Not sure I fully agree with the bold.
Anyone expecting a pot this year is being very optimistic.
So if we are top of the table but playing ugly he should go? Seriously?
We will. Count on it.
Depends on what you want in a football club.It's unacceptable for me to play uninspiring football most of the time with such a talented squad.He had the excuse of transitional period last season.
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Most cases are unique. The fact of the matter is that keeping Van Persie, a player who knows Van Gaal and his system very well, at a cost of around £10m wouldn't have been a big deal for the club. Not only that I'd like to think the likes of Depay and Wilson would learn a lot from him, regardless of him being in his thirties (although only a year older than Schweinsteiger). The club is comfortably wealthy enough to accommodate a squad player for one season on those wages; we did it for half of last season with Falcao, Van Persie & Di Maria.
In terms of Di Maria he's a professional. If he's told to stay he'll knuckle down and do his best for the team. It would be in his own interests to turn his form around and attract the likes of Bayern/PSG to come back in for him (if as I suggested Van Gaal persuades him to give it one more season).
With Carrick I think there's a difference between relying on him to be fit every single game, and wanting him to be a key player. My belief is that if Carrick is fit he should play; but with two new signings in his position that'll be difficult. Although I could have it wrong and Van Gaal sees Schweinsteiger replacing Fellaini in midfield and Schneiderlin competing with Carrick (or vice versa).
Either way I'd just like to see us sign a top class central defender now, regardless of Di Maria.
He was due a pretty big bonus, it would have been for a lot more than 10m.
If the bonus he was due was that big he wouldn't have left. Even if it was £15m overall it is pretty irrelevant in the scheme of things (Falcao apparently cost £20m last season). Not to mention the fact that there is a terrible lack of strikers available this Summer; whereas next Summer you'd like to think the likes of Kane, Lacazette etc would have somewhat proven themselves capable of competing with/displacing Rooney (or proven incapable which would mean a bullet dodged).
I'm actually rather scared we'll be pretty weak again creating service for our forwards. As shit as RvP/Falcao/and even Rooney were last season, a large percentage of blame falls on the squad - the system - for not actually creating enough clear cut or half chances. People can estimate that Rooney will score x amount or y amount but if the system continues to be averse for strikers who aren't top, top tier then what's the point?
I am not the biggest fan of ADM but just for the sake of argument: 1. Last year was a write off yes. But why shouldn't we give him another chance to show he can make it. After all, it's hard to fathom why a world class player suddenly turns mediocre unless it's the English water that did the trick
2. There's no guarantee a new signing of another world class name would not turn into a disaster so why not treat him as a new signing and keep some faith? selling him at £45 would be bad business methinks
3. Your suggestion
, he doesn't want to live in Manchester and he isn't the best player for the system that is best for the rest of the team
is flawed because you are assuming the system is best for all players except him. There is no real basis for such assumption.
Gifted player should be allowed to play his football freely and if he does not fit in the system, question should be asked why! If we sign back CR7, and he couldn't fit in LvG's system does it mean the BPITW should be told to feck off? Players are not robot and we can't afford to replace expensive players just like that.
Just playing devils advocate here
Genuine question, open to anyone really. But just to pick up on this point:
Aside from being dropped (in my opinion, if he hadn't been benched, he'd probably have had one or two good games - that's just the nature of being inconsistent)...
...Was the form/wild inconsistency he showed last season closer to the Di Maria before 2013/14? If you take away 2013/14, was his 2014-15 form actually that drastically different from the Di Maria that many wouldn't have swapped for Nani?
You say 'World class player suddenly turns mediocre', but was he just returning to something like his old self, following a brilliant one-off season?
That is my fear.
Di Maria may have had one season where he was a truly world class, one of the best in the world, before and after he might just be a really good player.
I believe that a player's status (be that as a "World class player" or "the best in the World" or whatever label they receive) should be based on the previous 12 months and nothing else. Look at Falcao... I've heard so many people label him as "used to be a world class striker" but he's no longer this and should be judged on his most current form. ADM has shown sparks of brilliance last season (the start of the season he was fantastic) but over the course of the season (taking into account injuries and the well-documented problems even) he was just 'good'. He MAY become the World class ADM from his final season at Real Madrid again next season, but he might not. At the moment he's just a 'good' player IMO. We need him to get back to his very best form but if his heart's not in it then I believe he should be sold but only after he hands in a transfer request. Why should players who want to leave be given a 10% (or whatever it is) of the transfer fee if it's their choice to depart?
He's a striker and until now has just scored loads of goals at any level he plays, internationally or with Chelsea. He's scored over 40 goals this season for them, thats immense. With or without all round game.
I havent really seen Akpom named as the future of Arsenal, or the next Arsenal star of the academy. Dont get me wrong but the pressure and hype Wilson already carries, is over the top imo.
Because you're not in an Arsenal forum.
Every Chelsea youth striker scored shitloads of goals due to the system and quality they have.Goalscoring record at youth level doesn't always convert into senior level performance.Bojan used to break Messi's record.
I actually rate Abraham higher than Solanke.
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I am hoping no scout or players agent would be using this benchmark when they are considering taking ADM off from us. LOL We paid £60M last year. Anyway, I am really torn here because we are doing very bad business here.
Anyway, I just saw something about he's close to joining PSG for £46M. So this is a moot point here about him. The news is from Express quoting the French magazine "France Football"
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The position he played in has a massive impact on that. One thing is clear he is not a world class winger on form but is WC in the middle on form.
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The position he played in has a massive impact on that. One thing is clear he is not a world class winger on form but is WC in the middle on form.
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