Scholesy is playing out of his skin in this thread. 
Uniteds summer activity
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I've seen him a handful of times I admit, the first time I saw him he showed good movement and touch but was wasteful in the final third and I didnt know why people kept mentioning him in the thread as a great talent. Then I saw he was only 18..
Since then I've watched him a few more times, including against Bayern where he did an outstanding job tracking back and doubling up on Ribery and Bayern's left back. He showed absolutely everything in that game, same with Sahin, including good tracking back and getting tackles in
Why do people keep mentioning names like Gotze and Sahin. We want established players now, even though they might cost more. Bale and Modric I say. Gotze and Sahin would take at least a year to establish themselves in the PL, not to mention both are quite a few years away from their prime, especially Gotze.
Oh my God, this must one of the funniest posts I have read in a while now. Has Scholesy really outdone himself here?Sahin is about to lead his team to the bundasliga title. Modric isnt much more established and he definitely isnt as good. Bale and Modric wont be available, one or two of Dortmund's talents might be.
Its true that Goetze could take time but the fact is he could add something to what we have right now.
Sahin believe it or not has played 6 years at the top level 5 for Dortmund and 1 for Feyenoord, all as a first teamer. I am pretty sure he was only 16 when he done so...and was a mainstay in his debut season. Someone correct me if im wrong. Im sure he is pretty much established in a liga that contains the likes of Robben, Ribery, Muller, Podolski, Barrios, Klose and has had the likes of Van der Vaart and Dzeko.
Those credentials are established enough for me.
Though as for us all having a bukkake over Gotze and Sahin, and Kagawa and so on in other threads....realistically we aren't the only ones who have taken notice this year. The price will be pretty much more than we intend to pay/value them.
Remember the time we went for a certain Ronaldo instead of Ronaldinho? A young player instead of one of the best players in the world at that time? Maybe this could turn out to be similar. Obviously not 'Ronaldo' good but in any case, they could better the midfield we have right now.
They're already better than what we got, they make their team look amazing playing the best football along with Barcelona
Yes, but tracking back is what all MF's should do anyway ?
The most important thing for me as an 18 year old is your flair and creativity... The boy has it.
The defense is what I call a bonus imo. you can teach them all you want in tactical position, but in the final third, you can't teach attacking players how to attack, that's why he's highly rated... Anyway for me.
I do understand the point.
Definitely, thats why we're always linked with the best young prospects in the world...
Sahin's the main man behind Dortmund's success (along with manager Juergen Klopp of course), he would easily WALK into our midfield. And if there is any chance to sign Goetze, sign the feck him up. Brightest young player in the Bundesliga by a country mile.
My dream midfield:
Scholesy Scholesy
It's kinda like the Djemba twins, only better.
Scholesy Scholesy
It's kinda like the Djemba twins, only better.
Hate to say this, but Ronaldinho tunred United down to sign for Barca. Wasnt United or Fergie's choice.
Actually it was, Roanaldinho had agreed to join us, PSG wanted £25million, we'd offered £20. Kenyon hardballed them for some reason and PSG were pissed off with us. Barca came in with £25million and Kenyon fecked off to Chelsea with our transfer target dossier.
You might be right but as I remember it ronaldinho basically used us as a bargaining tool to get a great deal at barca, with psg doing the same.
He was all set to come, we just didn't match PSG's valuation.
How do you know? Id be pretty sure that he was just using us as a bargaining way to get a better deal with Barca. Its not often a South American star chooses and English club over Real and Barca and I sure enough every rag tabloid had their own wild version of why he never came!
Splitting hairs - the point I was making was that Fergie didn't decide not to sign him and move for another player instead. Had he had his way he would have signed him.
Add Taarabt to the list.
Well you are wrong. Kenyon fecked up that deal to the extent that PSG were so pissed off with us that the demanded a higher price from us than that which Barca were set to pay. Ronaldinho lost nothing moving to us or Barca, that is why he didn't kick up a fuss when his deal to come to OT fell through. But even after a while of playing for Barca he did say his heart was set to come but the deal fell though at board level.
rodwell. young. taarabt.
We dont really want Rodwell for some astronomical fee.
mvia. young. taarabt.
I think we could do with a goalkeeper to replace Van Der Sar, and a good creative midfielder, in the Modric mould. (I'm only using his name in terms of how he plays, not saying he should be the one we sign).
I think Rodwell has already signed, similarly to Valencia a couple of years back. Ashley Young will come in, and we will spend big on a top quality goal keeper. Tom Cleverly will come back from his loan with Wigan, and Welbeck has a 50/50 chance of coming back or remaining on loan. That will be our summer activity. We won't be buying any creative midfielders in the modric mold, nor will we be buying any strikers.
Yes please, either Rodders or M'Villa with Young & Taarabt and i'll tug all Summer.
IMO, I think we need:
Creative CM, Goalkeeper and Left Footed Left Winger in that order. Would complete our squad imo.
Creative CM, Goalkeeper and Left Footed Left Winger in that order. Would complete our squad imo.
Van Der Sar and Hargreaves moving on, so replace them.
Then replace Giggs and Scholes with established stars when they go.
Maintain quality player headcount while letting youngsters go as they don't fulfil promise.
It's kinda what we've been doing for years.
Then replace Giggs and Scholes with established stars when they go.
Maintain quality player headcount while letting youngsters go as they don't fulfil promise.
It's kinda what we've been doing for years.
Not really, before berbatov, the last established start we signed was hargreaves and before that rooney. Rarely do we go out and buy the big names.
United have always bought the big names in England - shattered various transfer records over the years.
Veron was a big name, Van Nistelrooy and Stam were records at the time as were Berg, Pallister, Ferdinand, Cole and Keane.
Rodwell
Neuer
Young
End the summer early.
Neuer
Young
End the summer early.
The problem with that is it doesn't really improve the 1st XI. Freshens the squad very well but we won't have addressed our immediate shortcomings in midfield at all. Unless you see Young as being what we have been lacking in midfield this year in which case you're completely wrong. 
Well, for a starter, Neuer is supposedly an improvement on the keepers department at that point (over PIG and Lindegaard), even though it's hard to say with 100% confidence.
If you want a list of players who can improve our XI, I can surely list the Messis and Xavis of this world, but it's hardly going to happen, is it? The names I chose are arguably available/affordable, and in Rodwell/Neuer's case, full of potential to be first teamers for years to come.
If you want a list of players who can improve our XI, I can surely list the Messis and Xavis of this world, but it's hardly going to happen, is it? The names I chose are arguably available/affordable, and in Rodwell/Neuer's case, full of potential to be first teamers for years to come.
Neuer isn't an improvement on VDS.
I'm talking about how we improve our first XI as it stands.
Do you honestly feel that we can only improve that midfield with the Xavis and Messis of this world?
Why do you mention VDS, when he's not going to be a part of our first XI, comes summer? At that point, surely either PIG or Lindegaard will be our first choice keeper, unless we sign someone else? Then Neuer would be an improvement on either.
An improvement on our first XI as it stands is irrelevant, because by the end of the season and beginning of the transfer window, it will not be the same first XI anymore.
And what are you on about Xavis and Messis improving our first XI? Of course they would. This shouldn't even be a debate.
And by the way, all of these are based on the premise that we have a first XI. Some say we don't. We rotate and play the best-suited players we have for each game.
not sure if anyone's seen the documentary:
BBC - Storyville - Barca
I really enjoyed it, there's boardroom footage of Barca securing the Ronaldinho deal. La Porta et al are dumbfounded that United didn't match their offer. You get the impression they were resigned to losing out to United. Kenyon's a tit.
I think Donkey's Ears is looking for a bit more risk, a few more foreign players etc...
Let's say, Buffon for VDS ?
Pastore for Rodwell
and Sanchez for Young...
But I agree on the point that we rotate, we just play the freshes players which suit the best tactics and SAF is the mastermind of all of it.
Again, I wouldn't mind if we go for Young but if he's gonna cost 25m, I'd say we should target other priorities.
Rodwell again is a risk with his niggling injuries so far and Neuer is very highly rated but as a GK, I'd look for experience and communication which Neuer still lacks both.
Just my opinion though.
Let's say, Buffon for VDS ?
Pastore for Rodwell
and Sanchez for Young...
But I agree on the point that we rotate, we just play the freshes players which suit the best tactics and SAF is the mastermind of all of it.
Again, I wouldn't mind if we go for Young but if he's gonna cost 25m, I'd say we should target other priorities.
Rodwell again is a risk with his niggling injuries so far and Neuer is very highly rated but as a GK, I'd look for experience and communication which Neuer still lacks both.
Just my opinion though.
Somehow I don't think that creative midfielder will be coming and in truth the options are in short supply.
My dream window would be:
Neuer (not fussed by any other option)
Sanchez
M'Vila
Rodwell
My dream window would be:
Neuer (not fussed by any other option)
Sanchez
M'Vila
Rodwell
Buffon, Pastore and Sanchez all in the same window. That's gonna be a lot of Kleenex
The problem with that is it doesn't really improve the 1st XI. Freshens the squad very well but we won't have addressed our immediate shortcomings in midfield at all. Unless you see Young as being what we have been lacking in midfield this year in which case you're completely wrong.
This is exactly what I have been thinking while reading some of these threads over the last few weeks. On the one hand, there are some people who appear to believe that we can only attract players from the conference, for some reason, and that anyone who plays at a higher level wouldn't possibly choose to sign for what is more than arguably the third most attractive club in world football, and on the other, you have people who have consistently complained about the lack of quality in certain areas of the first 16-18 players in the squad suggesting that we should buy at least two players -- Rodwell and Young -- and thus, essentially spend all of our transfer funds on them, when it is highly unlikely that either would actually improve anything other than the squad as a whole (and then only just).
To be fair, Rodwell would probably be a wise investment at some point, but not at the expense of players that could add genuine and immediate quality to the players that we already have, in my opinion. Unless Sir Alex either doesn't believe that we need to improve the center of midfield, or can't find or afford the player(s) that would achieve that goal, Rodwell should be, at best, an investment for the future alongside another player who is better than anything that we already have at the club.
As to Ashley Young, again, I just don't see how he can genuinely improve us as a team. He has certain qualities that would be useful, of course, but we would also lose a similar number of qualities if he was used instead of, for example, Valencia (and I would argue that we would lose far more if he was used instead of Nani). As much as I admire Valencia, the only reason that I would be in favor of signing a wide player would be if they either had the present or potential quality to impove what he already brings to the team. I understand that some believe that we need extra cover in those areas, but I am almost always in favor of doing that with players who can eventually become first choice and improve on what we already have.
Having said that, if Sir Alex simply wanted to find some cover and has decided that he will need to spend the bulk of his transfer money on other areas of the team, I could then understand him signing a player like Young, although I would still rather that he bought a younger player with the potential to improve dramatically. And Sir Alex has bought players before who I haven't been terribly keen on, such as Dwight Yorke, and they have improved tremendously while playing in a much better side.
I would, however, be majorly surprised if we spent £30m+ on two players who would not currently improve us as a team and who would not solve any of the issues that have been evident from watching United over the last few years. In fact, I would much rather that we bought nobody and waited until we can find the right players than spend that much money on two players, one of which is still very young and needs to fulfill their potential (and who still wouldn't solve our midfield problems even when that happens, in my opinion), and another who is at an age where he really should improve our first eleven, even if he is relatively cheap.