I agree but if he won the FA Cup and we finished outside top 4 you wouldn't sack him for that surely?
United under LvG: verdict so far!
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Were you at the game tonight? The crowd anxious all game.
Does that mean we have to continue with a man who clearly hasn't done anything to improve us inspite of the 150m spent?
This is the only way to sum it up so far
Can only be the directors & Woody as i suspect everyone will be home by now.
Yeah, but I remember last season and Giggs wasn't exactly brilliant when he did takeover. No thanks. I honestly don't have much confidence in Giggs at all. What has he done to merit it? Sure, incredible player and club legend, but he's never managed anyone in his life (apart from an uninspiring spell after Moyes left) and great players aren't always great managers.
If he believes Valencia was the best player it says everything about his philosophy...
He has at least dared to change things as per his "way". Unfortunately for us change has not been a smooth process, it has been muddling than flowing through. We could do with a director of football or performance though, to help with evaluating any proposed transfers as his obvious stubbornness may end seeing us sign crocks like Strootman just because he likes him
This...pretty much! Especially the bolded bit.
This is all done with hindsight though. Falcao has been dreadful in nearly every game he's played. Januzaj may be inconsistent but the thing Arsenal were struggling with tonight was pace (Young in particular) it makes far more sense to bring on the quicker player than Falcao, especially when we weren't creating that much and Falcao isn't going to create much on his own.
I find watching us frustrating and I can see people's points. I'd say it's the least possible improvement from the Moyes "era" and we should be playing much better but I do believe you can't just go round aimlessly sacking managers. There has to be a point you take a risk and give 1 of them at least more than 1 season. What happens if we sack LVG and Mourinho, Ancelotti or whoever come in and struggle? We'll be sacking managers every year.
It takes time to get a balance and someone deserves that eventually, I'd give him at least next season to see how it goes. When watching the Newcastle game it seemed the players definitely trust and like him, he may not be endearing to fans but the players do like him. I won't say it's knee jerk because people make good points when they question him but you don't get success in any job overnight. The way people make out it's that they go in to every job they do and are an instant success.
I admire him for stepping up but in the long run and especially in games like these we need better options than him.
Why would anyone say that about Moyes? Anyone is better than him.
I reckon Van Gaal picks his subs using names from a hat.
Big Sam would have been as good as LVG. He has been as shit that 'anyone is better than him' could easily apply for him too.
THe only reason Valencia plays (terribly) at right back in the first place is because of Van Gaal taking a completely irrational disliking to the only right sided fullback in his squad.
So no, he doesn't get off that one, even if you do conveniently ignore his usual array of dumb substitutions and ignorance of the areas of the pitch in which we struggle or where one of our players is performing poorly.
Add to that, the player who scored the winning goal is a player who Van Gaal chose to dispose of in order to bring in a player who spent the entire game tonight sat on the bench because Van Gaal was more concerned with pissing around pointlessly with who was playing at left back.
More or less every game is a very obvious 90 minute display of why he's an idiot...yet it's only now and when we drop to fifth that people who blindly defend it will suddenly change their tune.
I said to my brother before the game, he'd have to take Bllind off for Carrick, and Fellaini and Valencia would stay on despite the fact it'd be obvious they should come off. Was right with 2 out of 3, and the only reason it wasn't a full house is because Van Gaal wouldn't sub off his pet so subbed off the guy next to him instead. This happens every fecking week. You can sit there before the game and correctly predict where the mistakes are in the team/tactics/etc...that's as clear a sign as you'll ever get that your manager is a moron...because you can guarantee opposition teams watch and notice the same things.
Well, that would have been randomly so there would have been some chance for subs to be the right ones. So far, every sub I can remember has been quite shit. If he only realizes that and picks the other three, then every sub would be the right one.
IMO all he has done is stumble through into the Top 4 positions with a lot of luck / De Gea. Which we will promptly now lose, and make absolute appalling man management decisions and substitutions.
Not sure those 2 things are related...dayum what a spin.Are they? Van Gaal certainly hasn't shown anything that would make me confident in stating that. I mean I guess I could make some strawman arguments.
The way most people are feeling about LVG right now, I don't think anyone cares who will replace him. He'a a charlatan and a lot of people just want him gone. We have had it with the philosophy. No doubt this could be an overreaction but a warranted one.
The only reason we're doing better than last year is because we've avoided all the big teams so far in the second half of the season, whereas they've been taking points off each other. On a game-for-game basis, he's doing worse than Moyes. And once we've played Spurs, Liverpool, Chelsea and City over the next few weeks, we'll probably be down in sixth or seventh once again.
Why did we step off the pace in the second half?
We were very good in the first half. Won the ball back high up the pitch, working between players well. That's how you play Arsenal. We played to their strengths in the second by slowing it down. Their players settled in. Less mistakes, more comfortable on the ball.
FFS Fergie even devoted a piece in his book on how to beat Arsenal. Moyes played that way and won. We were doing it well until half time until he changes it.
We were very good in the first half. Won the ball back high up the pitch, working between players well. That's how you play Arsenal. We played to their strengths in the second by slowing it down. Their players settled in. Less mistakes, more comfortable on the ball.
FFS Fergie even devoted a piece in his book on how to beat Arsenal. Moyes played that way and won. We were doing it well until half time until he changes it.
But whats the guarantee the person taking over is going to do better? If we are taking a chance with a new person, might as well take a chance, stick with a proven manager to see if things work out.
I see people having a go at him for picking Valencia,but think with same protection or lack of it,Rafa might be sent off at some point.
I think this might be the first time I agree with one of your post. And with each day passing, I think that you're right about him.
It is sad how easily is to predict how Van Gaal will feck things. His favorism for certain players, his dislike for a few others, his very negative football and his completely predictable and awful subs.
I really think that we are at the stage where the only possible way to get top 4 is by sacking him immediately. Not neccesarily the other manager would be better than him, but I think that it would be quite an achievement to be as shit as Van Gaal.
Proven manager, who has proved himself to be a total waste of space so far? I rather take a chance on someone else than let this catastrophic reign continue.
Also, if you take a deeper look at this "proven" record there are as many failures as successes.
Like I have said before, his past only mattered when we hired him. The only way to judge him now is what is in front of us. And lets be honest, it has been utterly shambolic.
I have actually been quite hopeful, but those substitution and the 2nd half performance did it for me tonight. I am losing hope.
How many people actually wanted Van Gaal after Ferguson retired, I bet I could count the number with 1 hand.
He's not the man to rebuild this club and you all know it. This was a knock out cup game at Old Trafford and it seemed like we were happy for a replay in the second half.
Tottenham game is absolutely massive now, they are going to smell some blood and we need every point we can get.
He's not the man to rebuild this club and you all know it. This was a knock out cup game at Old Trafford and it seemed like we were happy for a replay in the second half.
Tottenham game is absolutely massive now, they are going to smell some blood and we need every point we can get.
Honestly I doubt he will be here in the summer now.
Well every manager has failures but if you are trying to argue he is not proven, then you are ignorant.
Can't say I've read a post from you that I haven't agreed with.
I checked some old threads on here, and surprise, surprise he wasn't even a name on the poll.
If his past was anything to go by, well it's not. He had always won silverwear in his first season everywhere. But not here. Proven or not he's not won anything this year.
Apparently Ancellotti is facing the sack this Summer. He'd be perfect here.
Am I trying to argue that? Or because you did not have anything to dispute my post, so thought an easy way out will be to call me 'ignorant'?
He won the double didn't he?
Herrera isn't and the ninny took him off. I am so disappointed with all this.
With 1 game a week, no distractions this was our perfect opportunity and we've blown it.
tumescent crap, "philosophy", odd decisions. Could you imagine if we did have Europa League. No excuses.
tumescent crap, "philosophy", odd decisions. Could you imagine if we did have Europa League. No excuses.
Simply shocking 
Never gave him a 2nd thought, not a 1st thought actually.
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