I couldn't agree more. If we are at this time next season with no progress in terms of points and performances then I will start asking questions. But give him time to make it his squad, with his player and time to gel it before criticising him for not being miles ahead of teams that have spent not much less than us without a fraction of the upheaval.
United under LvG: verdict so far!
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I couldn't agree more. If we are at this time next season with no progress in terms of points and performances then I will start asking questions. But give him time to make it his squad, with his player and time to gel it before criticising him for not being miles ahead of teams that have spent not much less than us without a fraction of the upheaval.
one concern i do have is formation. if next yr he's still deciding - toing and froing - between 4 at the back or 3 would be when i would say "coat , door , get the lights". get the "balance" right from the start. do you formistas think we'll be looking at 5-6 maybe more being sold or just not asked back so to speak?
I do go to games for excitement, a weekly fix if you will. I fully understand it won't always be that way despite having witnessed some of the best players in the World at Old Trafford for over 40 years. Van Gaal's team has yet to convince. I just don't think he has a plan. It's been constant formation changes, square pegs in round holes, blame games galore from the man. I do hope he changes swiftly. He can't have lost his vast knowledge of the game having been managing mostly successfully for many years.
If results were my only concern in favour of United, I'd just get score updates and that would be the sum of my support.
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Some of you need to be realistic, that's all I have to say.
the scary thing is some of the things being said in support of LvG are the exact same stuff said about Moyes with a little variation in time like
Why is it scary? If he doesn't achieve a top 4 finish he will be sacked, same as Moyes.
I honestly do not think it is that black and white.
Well if someone like Ancellotti becomes available in the summer, then I'd say it's a pretty safe bet LVG will be sacked if he doesn't achieve top 4.
Do you reckon that would be a good thing for the club though? Another managerial change would be hell IMO. I'm not sure if I could cope with another season of squad assessment and formation tinkering.
He won't be.
Depends mate, If we continue to see no improvements made within the next 10 games then we are taking the same risk by keeping LVG here imo. What guarantee would be have that LVG will get it right next season?
However if we do see significant improvement by the end of the season then we can have something positive to hold onto for next season, maybe with a few more additions we might be challenging, in that case we may as well stick it out wit LVG for another season.
Personally I didn't want LVG here to begin with and I have no confidence we will win the league under him with his "Philosophy". I'm basing this on the fact that I've seen very little improvement since pre season, but I would love nothing more than to be proved wrong.
We'll see.
So true.
Louis van Gaal is not David Moyes. The man didn't have a fecking clue to what he was doing and completely lost the dressing room.
The two of them are simply not comparable.
We all know that's not going to happen, so LVG will stay.
Moyes, a nobody and van Gaal, a proven winner. How can you even make any comparison?
If Real don't win the league Ancelotti will get sacked surely?
I personally think he'd resign before being pushed. Besides, United will not have the will to sack a second manager within a year.
After bringing them La Decima last year? He'll definitely be given one more year to get the league title - he's been praised by the president for bringing calm and stability to the club. Something that they haven't exactly been known for!
One was a mistake, a second would cast serious doubt over Woodward. And I don't see him taking that decision lightly. I agree with you. The will to actually grasp the nettle won't be there. They won't be able to hide behind this manager being a Fergie pick.
He's got another season unless United go into free fall. But had this been the season after Fergie...all the knives would've been out and Woodward would've been looking for another manager in the summer.
Yeah, perhaps. I think we'd have kept him had he finished top 4. But as things stand I reckon that even if we miss out on top 4 he'll get another year or so. I think Woody will prefer to take his risks in player recruitment in the summer rather than on the manager.
let's see what the feeling is after this huge double coming up.
I meant an outside top four finish...first season post Fergie. I actually think we'll miss out on a top four, this season.
I see, and they're still very much still in the title race.
If Woody and LvG get this wrong United could be in free fall for many years. We pay premium transfer fees and give out best financial packages to players. LvG has a knack of falling out with players, which may end up being massive financial liabilities if they become surplus to his requirements. It already seems we'll end up taking big hits on Di Maria, Fellaini, Mata, Herrera, Rafael if he doesn't get them playing to the standards they have proved in the past. Falcao has already been a waste of money to the tune of around 10 Million.
If we don't get into Europe the clubs business plan will also be in trouble. Giving him a smaller budget for the summer.
Who are the hanger on though? Young, Fellaini and Valencia are somewhat rejuvenated under LVG. I'd like to see Nani back here. Hernandez and Cleverley are the only ones I can see being shifted permanently
Yes, but what other options do we have? I think LVG is too long in the tooth and probably a decade past his sell by date, I wouldn't exactly be unhappy if he were given the nudge. It's great being an optimist but I'm not sure there's anything whatsoever to base any optimism on.
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cough cough - jon q evans is nailed on to be gone. i'd see off young , wiggy and tony v. he'll chop mata and raffa plus lindy. falcao won't be kept. rvp should be sold as well.
Need to be careful about another high turnover of players again, I'd keep all the main guys we have except for Falcao, Evans, and sadly Rafael, then add 3-4 players + Nani, the last thing we need is 6-7 new signings to settle in again.
Being able to hold the ball is a good platform. I certainly wouldn't compare the situations, but look at Barca in 2007/08 - They could hold the ball for ages, but be totally toothless when it came to doing something with it. Then Pep was appointed, made some changes and turned the team lethal. Not saying it's gonna happen but being able to actually hold the ball could lead to good things.
The main current problem is timing. Performances such as recent matches would have been good in October, show promise, some improvement, and leave time to progress. Now it's a little late if we're hoping for massive improvement until the end of the season. And without at least some improvement, we might end the season without either the football we're hoping for or a CL spot.
The main current problem is timing. Performances such as recent matches would have been good in October, show promise, some improvement, and leave time to progress. Now it's a little late if we're hoping for massive improvement until the end of the season. And without at least some improvement, we might end the season without either the football we're hoping for or a CL spot.
I'd be tempted to call that fearmongering.....every manager falls out with players (Van Gaal actually seems to be willing to give everybody an opportunity to prove themselves), I don't think he falls out with players more or less than most managers. We were never realistically going to see a return on Fellaini or Mata, Di Maria will definitely be given more time to adjust and the only thing we lose with Rafael is the time that was put into him. Falcao was a mistake but atleast we're only losing the deposit....
I don't have a clue on the financial aspect beyond knowing we will take a hit in match day revenue and in our Adidas deal.
Steady on...he's done some top notch saying-things-in-the-media.
True. He deserves our blind faith based solely on his top-notch-talking-saying-things-in-the-media. And we shouldn't moan or show concern about our on pitch performances. Not even on the internet.
Patience.
Lately, I've been reading let's wait, give him time. Basically "It's our year next season"
Sound familiar?
Calm down.
Did a Scouse accent come to mind when you wrote that?
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Any possibility that LVG's tactics are to cover up the cracks of an average and injury decimated back four, often playing players out of position to compensate for, and thus using a more cautious approach tactically?
This in addition to obvious dysfunction in midfield and a terrible performances by the forwards, all of which is partially due to tactics and partially due to form.
I for one hope he can address the glaring need in defense this summer. Perhaps then things may change in other areas. I know some will roll out the defensive record yet this is clearly a very limited defense. De Gea has won many points for this club this season, reminds me of Schmeichel circa 96, and without him this defense would be sorely exposed even more so than it has.
And if a striker can find some form, points will be won. I can't recall the last time United had all strikers available incur bad form the majority of a season (granted, perhaps last season was similar but I've practically erased last season from my memory).
I'd give LVG at least two full seasons - his track record proves such.
This in addition to obvious dysfunction in midfield and a terrible performances by the forwards, all of which is partially due to tactics and partially due to form.
I for one hope he can address the glaring need in defense this summer. Perhaps then things may change in other areas. I know some will roll out the defensive record yet this is clearly a very limited defense. De Gea has won many points for this club this season, reminds me of Schmeichel circa 96, and without him this defense would be sorely exposed even more so than it has.
And if a striker can find some form, points will be won. I can't recall the last time United had all strikers available incur bad form the majority of a season (granted, perhaps last season was similar but I've practically erased last season from my memory).
I'd give LVG at least two full seasons - his track record proves such.
Watching United vs arsenal game now, way too many passes to de gea, quick search in google gave this: http://www1.skysports.com/football/...most-backpasses-in-premier-league-this-season
We have most backpasses in the whole league
We have most backpasses in the whole league
Moyes success: won Community Shield, finished higher than Southampton.
van Gaal predicted success: finished higher than Everton and maybe Southampton.
Clear verdict. That's wum in case you don't know.
van Gaal predicted success: finished higher than Everton and maybe Southampton.
Clear verdict. That's wum in case you don't know.
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