United aiming to sell Harry Maguire next summer according to Jamie Jackson

EtH said:
Another with keen insider insight at Old Trafford eh.

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As always, for sure, but that report from Galetti caught my attention for a few reasons:
-Maguire and Fred are playing at the WC. Letting teams around the world know that they are available, the timing of it makes sense.
-If Man Utd let’s teams in the PL and across Europe know that Maguire can be had, the percentages for where a leak is most likely to come from isn’t necessarily that low for “abroad”.
-In a way, when ETH really built “his” team in Ajax, he literary put a CDM (Martinez) and a RB (Timber) at CB — because of their abilities on the ball. Playing out from the back is a core part of his game, and (a) when it works you don’t have to defend while (b) when it does not work, you are screwed (4-0 against Brentford after 45’). Its just that, if a coach with ETHs abilities take over a squad built for more ‘traditional’ play, the first thing you got to do is substitute your Maguires (along side you GK, if he can’t play the ball).

Hence, it does seem like this could have legs.
 
Powderfinger said:
No chance. Very few 30+ players have ever sold for £35-40m or more and the list is guys like Cristiano, Lewandowski, Bonucci, Koulibaly not walking memes like Maguire coming off seasons where they hardly played.

United will do very well if they find a buyer willing to pay £15-20 million for a 30-year-old Maguire on 200k per week.

Newcastle is far too smartly run to buy Maguire and he doesn't fit how Howe wants to play any better than he fits ETH.

Villa have Diego Carlos and Konsa contracted until 2026 plus Mings until 2024, and both Diego Carlos and Mings are the same age as Maguire. They do some dumb stuff in the market but I doubt they will be looking to add another 30-year-old CB on big wages, its just not a high priority position. Maybe if they sold Mings they could buy Maguire but the much more obvious thing would be to stick with what they have.

I bet Moyes likes Maguire as a player but West Ham have invested big in Aguerd, Zouma, and Kehrer in recent years and all are in their prime and contracted long term. They may be able to give Dawson a one year contract extension if they need a 4th CB. Spending significant money and breaking their wage structure to bring in a 30-year-old Maguire who could end up their 4th best option at the position really doesn't make much sense.
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Could Wolves be an option? It’s wishful thinking I am sure, but they have been so “soft”.
 
It's obvious we'll try to ship him out next summer, I think he'll want to go as well. He's obviously not a player ten Hag considera good enough for the starting XI, currently he's clearly behind Lisandro and Varane and arguably behind Lindelof as well. So I doubt he'll want to spend his last years as a squad player.

Something around 20-25M should do it.
 
saivet said:
Surprised so many think Maguire is a tough sell. Ask for £60m and sure there won't be any takers but he's a decent player on high but not ridiculous wages who still has a decent reputation in the PL and England.

He's slow but that's always been the case and is relatively injury free.

Could be wrong but I don't think Maguire would be the type to either stay where he's not wanted in hope he will play and secondly I have the feeling he is the type of player that might be willing to take a player to be the main main. He'll still demand a big wage wherever he goes but £150k / week for some of the smaller sides is not as crazy as it once was.
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Agree. I also think he will be a very good player for a club that plays a more defensive style of football. His confidence is shattered right now but at his normal self, he is a good defender with some outstanding qualities, like air dominance and good on the ball for his size. Plus he is very professional and this season apart, rarely gets injured.

A PL team that plays a lower block or a Serie A team would love him. I'm sure we can get 40mil+ for him.
 
sifi36 said:
Isn’t there a lower top rate of tax for high earning foreign workers in Italy? The law was brought in to attract foreign engineers and the like, but also applies to footballers too. Even with a lower salary, the reduced tax burden would diminish the impact on take home pay.
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Italian clubs aren't very rich. Dusan Vlahovic is the most paid player in the Serie A and he's on around 249k a week (euros). That's less to what Martial is being paid. Now I am aware that there had been some tax cuts introduced for players. However Italy is a volatile country politically wise and policies tend to change quickly. There's also the case that Italians tend to love a good bargain and would try to exploit someone whose on his knees. Finally the Serie A is the birthplace of defending and while its seen better times they know exactly what a good defender is. I watched the Euros in Italian and the journalists were as brutal at Maguire as most people are on Redcafe. As said Maguire's best options are in England. No one loves him and rates him more then in the UK simply because in mainland Europe.....very few rate him at all.
 
This will be the barometer to judge Murtough and the leaches on whether they’re truly going to back ten Hag. We are going to suffer an embarrassing loss on the sale of Maguire, no fault of Murtough, but the leaches may be hesitant to off load an English international (really not that great of a compliment) for such a massive loss. Ten Hag needs to be backed if he’s not prepared to keep our 4th choice CB.

For Maguire‘s sake he should seek a club outside of the PL. Serie A would be a good fit and I’m certain Jose would love him at Roma. Inter or Milan could be other viable options.
 
Giggsy13 said:
This will be the barometer to judge Murtough and the leaches on whether they’re truly going to back ten Hag. We are going to suffer an embarrassing loss on the sale of Maguire, no fault of Murtough, but the leaches may be hesitant to off load an English international (really not that great of a compliment) for such a massive loss. Ten Hag needs to be backed if he’s not prepared to keep our 4th choice CB.

For Maguire‘s sake he should seek a club outside of the PL. Serie A would be a good fit and I’m certain Jose would love him at Roma. Inter or Milan could be other viable options.
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Yeh it really doesn’t make business sense. But it does in football. Let’s see if it will be Commercial United or Football United.
 
Giggsy13 said:
For Maguire‘s sake he should seek a club outside of the PL. Serie A would be a good fit and I’m certain Jose would love him at Roma. Inter or Milan could be other viable options.
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Jose loved him a bit of Maguire. I think if we secure a CB in January then a 6 month loan with cheap option would be a good way to go if Roma feel like they can get anything out of him.
 
Leftback99 said:
It's a pretty safe bet no doubt but take early transfer window predictions with a huge pinch of salt. They didn't have a clue we were going to sign Casemiro, Eriksen and Martinez last summer, all the stories were about other players.
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It was widely reported we were in for Eriksen weeks in advance.
Our top guy was filmed saying we were working on FDJ, so its unsurprising they werent on Casemiro.
 
dabronxolivera said:
I mean he's still dogshite in his time here but it doesnt take a rocket scientist to know these players are crap and dont belong to United (except Woodward and Ole ?)
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Then those who opposed it must have been a minority, a very very loud one. All summer 7-8 new players was a meme. The way they took it so personal you'd think it was the players family members posting.
 
VanDeBank said:
It was widely reported we were in for Eriksen weeks in advance.
Our top guy was filmed saying we were working on FDJ, so its unsurprising they werent on Casemiro.
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Not before late May/June they weren't. The most common stories were about the likes of Phillips, De Jong, Kamara, Timber, Nunez, Tchouameni, Rice, Neves, Torres, Antony. We signed one of them at a massively inflated price in the last week of the window.

Jackson said Eriksen had rejected us for Spurs/Brentford on the 20th June:
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...leads-first-transfer-window-manchester-united

We probably will sell Maguire. It's a pretty safe prediction. But stories linking us with players this early are almost always wrong.
 
Just getting Maguire off the books doesn't seem very appealing really, Ronaldo and Fred going will free up enough wages already.

We maybe need to sell a proper saleable assest if we want to raise some funds, not someone we have made clear we want out the door beforehand.
 
Getting him off the books would be a good move - not for the money saved but to ensure we don't even have the option of picking him
 
When we bought him in 2019, I was arguing with my mate that I am disappointed at this signing, overpaid flop and my mate said he is a good transfer, English homegrown. It's only 3 years but feels like he's been with us forever. Before Lingard left, he was the next player I wanted rid most. Great. Next Rashford please.
 
Greck said:
Then those who opposed it must have been a minority, a very very loud one. All summer 7-8 new players was a meme. The way they took it so personal you'd think it was the players family members posting.
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You still get it even now. Whenever we get a decent result and a couple of “legacy” players do well, Ralf is roundly mocked for saying we needed ten new players in one window. Even if he never said that.
 
Take whatever we can get. We don’t need this Transit van, we can get something back from a government scrappage scheme.

Okay, that was mean.
 
I honestly hope Lindelof goes too and doesnt survive the ETH tenure. He has really been riding the luck train of the Maguire hatred movement and as much as he cant hide behind it now I really dont want the club to ship any more goals because he is spineless
 
norm87cro said:
I honestly hope Lindelof goes too and doesnt survive the ETH tenure. He has really been riding the luck train of the Maguire hatred movement and as much as he cant hide behind it now I really dont want the club to ship any more goals because he is spineless
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It would actually be ironic if he ends up outliving Maguire. Lindelof was originially the one getting pelted for not covering Maguire's limitations, that's how we got Varane to partner him. At least that was the misguided belief, that he could unlock Maguire or something.
 
Longlivekeano said:
I am really puzzled as to why Steve Bruce was able to work out so well for us even with slower pace than Maguire.

is it because Brucey’s reading of the game was better than Maguire’s? It was it because Brucey had Pally to bail him out, whereas Maguire doesn’t have a fast defender paired with him.
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JFC, mentioning Maguire and Bruce in the same sentence. Bruce was 10x the player Maguire is, in every metric.
 
He’d fit right into Conte’s spurs set up. Park the bus football in a back 3. Made for Spurs.
 
EtH said:
If we sell him for £30m we blew £50m. Especially considering his performances, never mind his wages. No amount of accounting wizardry can account otherwise.
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If you buy a car for £50,000 and then drive it for 5 years, you’ve had 5 years of using that asset. If you then go to sell it, do you really expect to get the £50,000 back? If you get only £25,000 for it, you haven’t blown the difference. It’s not accounting jujitsu.
 
Revaulx said:
Good question!

I imagine it’s because a club buying a player with a year or so left on his contract is going to need to compensate United (i.e.pay us a fee); whereas with no time remaining on the contact the player can just walk away into his new club’s warm embrace.

The major problem with this way of thinking is that it only works if there is a market for the player. Which, in the case of all United’s duds and crocks, there invariably isn’t. So we get stuck with paying wages to a discontented sidelined player for another year or whatever.
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So this player valuation (whatever the price) goes into the book? Then that diminishing player value assumption is not correct then.
 
Greck said:
It would actually be ironic if he ends up outliving Maguire. Lindelof was originially the one getting pelted for not covering Maguire's limitations, that's how we got Varane to partner him. At least that was the misguided belief, that he could unlock Maguire or something.
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I think it’s a mistake to compare Lindelof with Maguire.

Honestly, Lindelof was a mistake signing who we have invested — a ton in — for a long time that now is entering his prime, at a level where he IMO is a pretty OK No 4 CB. He wasn’t physically good enough for the PL, but has improved some there, and he didn’t even remotely possess enough speed and skill on the ball to be good enough to be a starter for Manchester United.

There are so many that are going like, Lindelof has been such a mess in the past that I really hope he fails going forward because he doesn’t deserve it.

But that is not good at all for this team. We need to get one more CB, getting two is too expensive.
 
Yeah, I hope he goes. I think he was excellent until the Greece thing. After that he was inconsistent. Our change of style at the start of last season didn’t suit him at all; the team wasn’t equipped for it and he definitely wasn’t. And it’s been downhill all the way since then.

I don’t think he is anywhere near as bad as some people think he is. As many have said, if hegoes to the right club he will be great again. But we need to cut him loose asap. Along with Ronaldo, hey hey! And a few others.

I think we can get £15m for him or include him in a swap somewhere.
 
OrcaFat said:
Yeah, I hope he goes. I think he was excellent until the Greece thing. After that he was inconsistent. Our change of style at the start of last season didn’t suit him at all; the team wasn’t equipped for it and he definitely wasn’t. And it’s been downhill all the way since then.

I don’t think he is anywhere near as bad as some people think he is. As many have said, if hegoes to the right club he will be great again. But we need to cut him loose asap. Along with Ronaldo, hey hey! And a few others.

I think we can get £15m for him or include him in a swap somewhere.
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He actually had his best period for us after the Greece thing, once he shook it off. He was very, very convincing for the rest of that season, including the Euros. It was last season things started to nosedive.
 
Messier1994 said:
I think it’s a mistake to compare Lindelof with Maguire.

Honestly, Lindelof was a mistake signing who we have invested — a ton in — for a long time that now is entering his prime, at a level where he IMO is a pretty OK No 4 CB. He wasn’t physically good enough for the PL, but has improved some there, and he didn’t even remotely possess enough speed and skill on the ball to be good enough to be a starter for Manchester United.

There are so many that are going like, Lindelof has been such a mess in the past that I really hope he fails going forward because he doesn’t deserve it.

But that is not good at all for this team. We need to get one more CB, getting two is too expensive.
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I don't think we need to sell Lindelof. If a lesser player is content to provide depth then there's nothing wrong with keeping them to do just that. It would be kind of silly to put ourselves in the unnecessary position of needing to buy a 3rd choice CB. Maguire is leaving because low compatibility and high status make him just as pointless in a back up role.
 
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Jev said:
He actually had his best period for us after the Greece thing, once he shook it off. He was very, very convincing for the rest of that season, including the Euros. It was last season things started to nosedive.
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Yeah, perhaps it was just the immediate aftermath of Greece where he was shaky. The change of tactics did for him then - exposed the weaker aspects of his game.

It’s strange to say it but it’s not his fault. He belongs in a different “philosophy”.
 
Isotope said:
So this player valuation (whatever the price) goes into the book? Then that diminishing player value assumption is not correct then.
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I’m not sure but I very much doubt it. You certainly can’t revalue players based on Transfermarkt or anything like that; They have to be at cost, amortised over the expected life of their contract. If the contract is 4+1, the prudent expected life would be four years.

The “value” that’s “preserved” by extending a contract will only crystallise once the player is sold. Which in United’s case usually doesn’t happen and they end up leaving on a free anyway, but after being paid a load more in wages.
 
Thing is, he could go somewhere with a deep line and probably look class again. I genuinely don't think he's a bad defender, just can't exist in a high-line system, which is what we want to play.
 
He's not a 1st choice for ten Hag and you don't keep 80M pounds signing on the bench as a backup. Either he makes it into first 11 over this season or is sold in the summer. I think we could get decent money for him. It's a shame as he was very good in his first 2 seasons with us, then last year everything started to collapse and so did his form.
 
BorisManUtd said:
He's not a 1st choice for ten Hag and you don't keep 80M pounds signing on the bench as a backup. Either he makes it into first 11 over this season or is sold in the summer. I think we could get decent money for him. It's a shame as he was very good in his first 2 seasons with us, then last year everything started to collapse and so did his form.
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I think he's going to struggle at a top 4 side really, he dithers too much on the ball. I think he's worth 30-40 million maybe with his age. He's a good passer of the ball but he just gets caught too much, I lose count of the times he gets pressed and the ball is stolen and his response is to just sweep his hand through his fringe and look dejected.
 
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