United aiming to sell Harry Maguire next summer according to Jamie Jackson

buckooo1978 said:
Maguire will start for England and - mark my words/Quote me or whatever - he will have a good tournament

England will play in a low block, probably with Harry as part of a 3, probably behind Rice and Phillips

England will concede about 2/3 goals and go out in knockout stage.

Maguire will look solid, might score a goal and January/Summer will be ideal time to sell him

He's not a starting Manchester United CB and certainly not a Ten Hag CB
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I should just start a thread on ideal outcomes from the World Cup, but it surely involves France going out in the groups so lots of Varane rest and Pellistri and Maguire being great. Not sure Fred being good leads to him going in January unless Ten Hag is ready to trust Iqbal. Not much sense in loaning in a midfielder for 6 months to replace Fred even if wins the World Cup as a starter for Brazil, which isn't out of the realm of possibility. I don't think we'll sign an expensive midfielder in January with Frenkie and Bellingham pursuits still possible in the summer, and while we may be out of the Bellingham race, it's not really in his or Dortmund's interests to let us know that. As we've seen with Zakaria and Arthur, it's not easy to bring in a veteran midfielder on a loan who is being loaned out for a reason.

No need to replace Pellistri assuming Amad comes back, but even if we got 25M for Maguire from a Prem team and 10M from someone with a midfield crisis for Fred that would pay for a very highly rated young CB as long as we don't identify another Lindelof this time.
 
It’s going to be difficult finding a buyer who’ll offer him terms anything like he’s used to. Most likely outcome will be an ambitious Championship side or a SPL club will sign him. Can see interest from other clubs for Fred, VdB and Telles. P.Jones may as well retire.
 
Messier1994 said:
Was JJ first with this report?

This was published on Thursday:
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Another with keen insider insight at Old Trafford eh.

This story writes itself. And they are profiting from all of your desperate clicks.
 
He’s not going to be playing SPL, he’s still a decent player and with the right club could do well again maybe Chelsea will come back for him or Everton even Leeds who need a centre back..
 
Messier1994 said:
This is talked about so much, but it’s not really correct.

This is how it works:
1. We bought Maguire for 80m. Simplified, this means that we take 80m from the item including cash in our balance sheet and add 80m to Intangible Assets.

Buying Maguire does not impact our Profit&Loss, we just move value from one item to another in our balance sheet.

2. During the course of Maguire's contract, his value — 80m — is amortized over the length of his contract in a straight line.

Maguire's contract is 6 years right. Hence 80m / 6y = app. 13m is amortized per year. We are 4 years into his contract, meaning that of the 80m we spent on Maguire, only 80m - 13m * 4y = 28m is still in the balance sheet.

So if we sell Maguire for 30m, it’s a 2m profit.

From Note 16, page 150, of the 2022 Annual Report (https://ir.manutd.com/~/media/Files/M/Manutd-IR/documents/Man Utd-20f-2022-09-24.pdf):
“Registrations costs are fully amortized using the straight-line method over the period covered by the player’s and key football management staff contract. Where a contract is extended, any costs associated with securing the extension are added to the unamortized balance (at the date of the amendment) and the revised book value is amortized over the remaining revised contract life.”

*”Registration costs” refers to transfer fees etc. You don’t pay to buy a player/person, you only acquire the right to register someone as your football player in competitions.
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Yeah, I know how it works, I’m a chartered accountant :lol: To be honest, I hadn’t realised it was 4 years!
 
Deery said:
He’s not going to be playing SPL, he’s still a decent player and with the right club could do well again maybe Chelsea will come back for him or Everton even Leeds who need a centre back..
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I think he's still good enough to play for a top 6 team, but only if they play with a back 3/5.

I can see him finding his groove at Chelsea or Spurs, under their current managers.
 
He can go anywhere, dont care who or for what price. Just get him out of the club. Useless.
 
Surprised so many think Maguire is a tough sell. Ask for £60m and sure there won't be any takers but he's a decent player on high but not ridiculous wages who still has a decent reputation in the PL and England.

He's slow but that's always been the case and is relatively injury free.

Could be wrong but I don't think Maguire would be the type to either stay where he's not wanted in hope he will play and secondly I have the feeling he is the type of player that might be willing to take a player to be the main main. He'll still demand a big wage wherever he goes but £150k / week for some of the smaller sides is not as crazy as it once was.
 
saivet said:
Surprised so many think Maguire is a tough sell. Ask for £60m and sure there won't be any takers but he's a decent player on high but not ridiculous wages who still has a decent reputation in the PL and England.

He's slow but that's always been the case and is relatively injury free.

Could be wrong but I don't think Maguire would be the type to either stay where he's not wanted in hope he will play and secondly I have the feeling he is the type of player that might be willing to take a player to be the main main. He'll still demand a big wage wherever he goes but £150k / week for some of the smaller sides is not as crazy as it once was.
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Where are you getting the reputation thing from?
 
Herman Toothrot said:
Probably for the best. Hopefully he can finish here and leave without Manchester United fans further dragging their reputations through the sewers.

Leave him the feck alone and have some fecking pride in yourselves.

The bullying needs to end and that can start here.
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Good morning daisy
 
saivet said:
Surprised so many think Maguire is a tough sell. Ask for £60m. He'll still demand a big wage wherever he goes but £150k / week for some of the smaller sides is not as crazy as it once was.
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A club and it’s supporters have a right to assess whether they’re getting value for money out of an expensive signing. Maguire isn’t worth £150k p/w.
 
If anything he's underpaid, can do better than this team. Don't blame him for wanting to leave.
 
He won't leave. He achieved nothing at United and became a meme, this is his last big contract. He is going to ride that out.
 
Shane88 said:
He won't leave. He achieved nothing at United and became a meme, this is his last big contract. He is going to ride that out.
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Neither ETH nor Maguire is stupid. Ten Hag knows he cannot depend on two CB whom he trusts. So he will want to buy another CB. In such case Maguire becomes 5th choice and gets 500 minutes across whole season. Since Maguire’s stock is high with England he cannot afford to be 5th choice.
 
Isotope said:
So why do we extend contracts to "preserve value", then? If players are expected to have zero value by the end anyway.
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Good question!

I imagine it’s because a club buying a player with a year or so left on his contract is going to need to compensate United (i.e.pay us a fee); whereas with no time remaining on the contact the player can just walk away into his new club’s warm embrace.

The major problem with this way of thinking is that it only works if there is a market for the player. Which, in the case of all United’s duds and crocks, there invariably isn’t. So we get stuck with paying wages to a discontented sidelined player for another year or whatever.
 
Messier1994 said:
This is talked about so much, but it’s not really correct.

This is how it works:
1. We bought Maguire for 80m. Simplified, this means that we take 80m from the item including cash in our balance sheet and add 80m to Intangible Assets.

Buying Maguire does not impact our Profit&Loss, we just move value from one item to another in our balance sheet.

2. During the course of Maguire's contract, his value — 80m — is amortized over the length of his contract in a straight line.

Maguire's contract is 6 years right. Hence 80m / 6y = app. 13m is amortized per year. We are 4 years into his contract, meaning that of the 80m we spent on Maguire, only 80m - 13m * 4y = 28m is still in the balance sheet.

So if we sell Maguire for 30m, it’s a 2m profit.

From Note 16, page 150, of the 2022 Annual Report (https://ir.manutd.com/~/media/Files/M/Manutd-IR/documents/Man Utd-20f-2022-09-24.pdf):
“Registrations costs are fully amortized using the straight-line method over the period covered by the player’s and key football management staff contract. Where a contract is extended, any costs associated with securing the extension are added to the unamortized balance (at the date of the amendment) and the revised book value is amortized over the remaining revised contract life.”

*”Registration costs” refers to transfer fees etc. You don’t pay to buy a player/person, you only acquire the right to register someone as your football player in competitions.
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Never knew, cheers.
 
Alemar said:
To be frank, it is the first time in God knows how many years, when the manager agrees in general with the forum sentiment (I.e., we at the Caf consider a certain player to be shit, and the manager plans to sell him).
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Well..you find me..heh
 
Shane88 said:
He won't leave. He achieved nothing at United and became a meme, this is his last big contract. He is going to ride that out.
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It depends if he ends up being dropped by Southgate for not playing. He could still get half decent wages elsewhere
 
Messier1994 said:
This is talked about so much, but it’s not really correct.

This is how it works:
1. We bought Maguire for 80m. Simplified, this means that we take 80m from the item including cash in our balance sheet and add 80m to Intangible Assets.

Buying Maguire does not impact our Profit&Loss, we just move value from one item to another in our balance sheet.

2. During the course of Maguire's contract, his value — 80m — is amortized over the length of his contract in a straight line.

Maguire's contract is 6 years right. Hence 80m / 6y = app. 13m is amortized per year. We are 4 years into his contract, meaning that of the 80m we spent on Maguire, only 80m - 13m * 4y = 28m is still in the balance sheet.

So if we sell Maguire for 30m, it’s a 2m profit.

From Note 16, page 150, of the 2022 Annual Report (https://ir.manutd.com/~/media/Files/M/Manutd-IR/documents/Man Utd-20f-2022-09-24.pdf):
“Registrations costs are fully amortized using the straight-line method over the period covered by the player’s and key football management staff contract. Where a contract is extended, any costs associated with securing the extension are added to the unamortized balance (at the date of the amendment) and the revised book value is amortized over the remaining revised contract life.”

*”Registration costs” refers to transfer fees etc. You don’t pay to buy a player/person, you only acquire the right to register someone as your football player in competitions.
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If we sell him for £30m we blew £50m. Especially considering his performances, never mind his wages. No amount of accounting wizardry can account otherwise.
 
Shane88 said:
He won't leave. He achieved nothing at United and became a meme, this is his last big contract. He is going to ride that out.
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That thing for Maguire could work under Ole, but seriously doubt it will work with EtH who refreshed Ajax in just about year by signing almost in one go Antony, Haller, Kudus, Klaasen and on top of that promoted Timber to 1st squad.

Things could accelerate, especially if United will remain stuck in 5th-6th place for longer.
 
I am really puzzled as to why Steve Bruce was able to work out so well for us even with slower pace than Maguire.

is it because Brucey’s reading of the game was better than Maguire’s? It was it because Brucey had Pally to bail him out, whereas Maguire doesn’t have a fast defender paired with him.
 
devilish said:
Bad move. The Serie A clubs don't pay the money the EPL do, there's no bias towards Maguire as in England and pretty soon he'd be forgotten at home just like Smalling, Abraham and Tomori did. In England he'll always be cuddled and protected by pundits and journalists who think that the manager's sole reason for living is to turn Harry Maguire in the next Bobby Moore. Maguire's best option is to return to a club like Leicester.
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Isn’t there a lower top rate of tax for high earning foreign workers in Italy? The law was brought in to attract foreign engineers and the like, but also applies to footballers too. Even with a lower salary, the reduced tax burden would diminish the impact on take home pay.
 
There will be lots of interest from clubs like Newcastle, Villa and West Ham if we are willing to let him go for 35-40m. In the right set up he can still be a very good player.
 
Hopefully true. One thing that's bothered me for years is that we hold on to mediocre players for too long, instead of simply accepting they aren't good enough and selling them. Other clubs constantly move players on for decent money, no reason we can't do the same
 
Could be some huge changes over the next few windows....

Hard to see any of Ronaldo, Maguire, Bailly, Jones, or Williams here next season. Highly likely we can include Wan-Bissaka and Fred in that list as well by the sound of things?

Probably a fair few changes in the goalkeeping department with Henderson, Heaton, and Dubravka too.

We must be in the market to sign 4-5 players. Maybe six depending on the goalkeepers. It will be interesting as that makes me think we are spending 200m+. Can't see us raising half of what we spend from sales either.

Interesting transfer windows ahead!
 
AndySmith1990 said:
Hopefully true. One thing that's bothered me for years is that we hold on to mediocre players for too long, instead of simply accepting they aren't good enough and selling them. Other clubs constantly move players on for decent money, no reason we can't do the same
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It’s a bit more complicated than that.

We’ve had no difficulty moving on some players that haven’t worked out quickly and for decent fees. And it’s not just been glamorous ones like Di Maria either; we managed to offload Schneiderlin after 18 months for nearly what we paid for him, and he was a disaster of Donny magnitude.

I think in some cases we simply sign unmotivated players at overinflated wages, who would rather waste away on the sidelines at United than take a pay cut to become a regular elsewhere. Maguire doesn’t seem the brightest, but I don’t think he’s devoid of professional pride and am sure he’s not going to be content with fourth choice.

He also has one major USP that potential buyers are going to love: his injury record. Any player who can sign for United and remain injury-free is an extreme rarity!
 
the hea said:
There will be lots of interest from clubs like Newcastle, Villa and West Ham if we are willing to let him go for 35-40m. In the right set up he can still be a very good player.
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No chance. Very few 30+ players have ever sold for £35-40m or more and the list is guys like Cristiano, Lewandowski, Bonucci, Koulibaly not walking memes like Maguire coming off seasons where they hardly played.

United will do very well if they find a buyer willing to pay £15-20 million for a 30-year-old Maguire on 200k per week.

Newcastle is far too smartly run to buy Maguire and he doesn't fit how Howe wants to play any better than he fits ETH.

Villa have Diego Carlos and Konsa contracted until 2026 plus Mings until 2024, and both Diego Carlos and Mings are the same age as Maguire. They do some dumb stuff in the market but I doubt they will be looking to add another 30-year-old CB on big wages, its just not a high priority position. Maybe if they sold Mings they could buy Maguire but the much more obvious thing would be to stick with what they have.

I bet Moyes likes Maguire as a player but West Ham have invested big in Aguerd, Zouma, and Kehrer in recent years and all are in their prime and contracted long term. They may be able to give Dawson a one year contract extension if they need a 4th CB. Spending significant money and breaking their wage structure to bring in a 30-year-old Maguire who could end up their 4th best option at the position really doesn't make much sense.
 
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