United’s next manager

I hate the attitude of this fanbase sometimes, we deserve everything we get. Nagelsmann is "sexy" because he's an incredible manager despite his relative inexperience and is making waves everywhere he's gone, not because one of the world's best managers just happens to be German and has made all German managers "flavours of the month" now. No doubt you turned your nose up at Klopp the first time declaring him a hipster manager as well. Nagelsmann is and will be 10x the manager Nuno is I'm sorry to say and will be at one of the biggest clubs in the world before long, but of course we're too good for such a hipster manager, aren't we?

I would have loved to have Klopp here and at the time of his appointment I was afraid he would do exactly what he has done at Liverpool. To clarify, I think Nagelsmann would be a very good coach and have no issues with the idea of hiring him I just cannot believe that some of the names on that list are even in the running and yet Nuno is not even mentioned. I don't watch too many Bundesliga games so I am really only going on other peoples opinions when it comes to German managers but I watch an insane amount of Premier League games and so I am happy to stand by my opinion that Nuno would be an excellent hire, doesn't mean someone else wouldn't be better.
 
Hypothetically, pretending that Woodward is out of the picture, what are the major obstacles to Nagelsman joining?

I get the usual German/wants to manage Bayern stuff.

Our fastest way out of this is now him/him-Rangnick.
 
We really need to get an attacking coach. We have wasted 6-7 years of our life watching Moyes, LVG, Jose and Ole boring football weekly.
 
We really need to get an attacking coach. We have wasted 6-7 years of our life watching Moyes, LVG, Jose and Ole boring football weekly.

Honestly all I've wanted over the past 6 years is for us to play quickly, pass and move, be creative. Why do we play like 00s Bolton?
 
If Ole fails we gotta get Bielsa. No ifs, no buts.
 
Most seem to want Pochettino if Solskjaer is axed. Would that change if Julian Nagglesman was to win the Bundesliga and make the last 8 of the Champions League?
 
Most seem to want Pochettino if Solskjaer is axed. Would that change if Julian Nagglesman was to win the Bundesliga and make the last 8 of the Champions League?

The question is would Nagelsman move that early after joining Leipzig? It's not that common for a manager to sign a four year contract and leave after one year.
 
We really need to get an attacking coach. We have wasted 6-7 years of our life watching Moyes, LVG, Jose and Ole boring football weekly.

I think Ole is an "attacking" coach. So is the former youth guy McKenna. They just don't seem to be good at it, at PL level at any rate.

Perhaps one factor to consider is how much the coach emphasises - and trains - other things like positional play. I think Ole wants our team to attack, but in a largely freestyle manner that doesn't work against the organised tactics employed by other teams these days. (In fact that sounds reminiscent of Mourinho's attacking "plans".)
 
Most seem to want Pochettino if Solskjaer is axed. Would that change if Julian Nagglesman was to win the Bundesliga and make the last 8 of the Champions League?
I want Nagelsmann even if he doesn't win the Buli and if not i'm hoping for Marco Rose.
 
The previous failings of our past and current managers have given me mild ptsd that I feel any manager we get right now is high risk. The best thing to do to lower the risk is to honestly go out and get the 'perfect manager' or close to at least because there is no perfect manager just a less risky one. By this I mean what are the criterias we're looking for in a new manager.

I'm sure I'm speaking for the Caf when I say the perfect manager or close enough at least is the one that plays attractive attacking football, promotes youth/can work with youth, knows how to carry out a rebuild and is a serial winner. I think a manager that has some experience in carrying trophies is important and should not be overlooked. While this was the main criteria for appointing LVG and Mourinho they didn't meet the criterias that I've mentioned except LVG that uses youth. But even though these two didn't tick all the boxes they've been our best managers since Ferguson left and that's because of the trophies they won for us regardless of how shit out football was at that time. That's why they are serial winners. It's their experience of winning trophies that has made them capable of winning more trophies even with bad football.

Add this serial winner characteristic to a manager that promotes youth, coaches attacking football and knows how to carry a rebuild and I would say that our future is in the right hands.

Is there any manager out there that ticks all these boxes.
 
Marco Rose, Julian Nagelsmann, Thomas Tuchel, Mauricio Pochettino, Adi Hutter, Ten Hag, Brendan Rodgers and Marcelo Gallardo etc should be some of the options we consider due to their profile and style of play.

I'm hoping we stay away from the likes of Allegri, Simeone and Nuno due to their negative mindset/tactics. I don't want to see more mind numbingly shite football for the next few years.
 
Marco Rose, Julian Nagelsmann, Thomas Tuchel, Mauricio Pochettino, Adi Hutter, Ten Hag, Brendan Rodgers and Marcelo Gallardo etc should be some of the options we consider due to their profile and style of play.

I'm hoping we stay away from the likes of Allegri, Simeone and Nuno due to their negative mindset/tactics. I don't want to see more mind numbingly shite football for the next few years.

Yeah and I also get very bored of people beating Pochettino with the hasn't won anything stick constantly. Maybe if he had a bigger budget at Spurs they might have got over the line and won a trophy.

Any of the guys with an attacking philosophy mentioned should be considered by the club.

My biggest worry is that some of the names will be off the table by the time we realise Ole isn't the right guy.

We simply have to be in regular contact with the reps of these guys otherwise it's just negligent.
 
I think it would be very tough to attract talented managers like Ten Haag & Nagelsmann to the club with Woody there.

My gut feeling is that the clown will end up selling us as a Mickey Mouse organisation like he famously did with Klopp and they will rightly run a mile.

He simply has to be miles away from the football side of things in order to get the right next manager. There has to be some progress on appointing a DOF.
 
Yeah and I also get very bored of people beating Pochettino with the hasn't won anything stick constantly. Maybe if he had a bigger budget at Spurs they might have got over the line and won a trophy.

Any of the guys with an attacking philosophy mentioned should be considered by the club.

My biggest worry is that some of the names will be off the table by the time we realise Ole isn't the right guy.

We simply have to be in regular contact with the reps of these guys otherwise it's just negligent.

If only Poch had won the last CL, he would have been regarded as a great coach by most of people.
And this would have prevented the Liverpool dominance as their confidence would have been badly hurt.
For me Poch did a fantastic job with the squad he had at Tottenham and getting them to CL finals after beating city is terrific.

Nagelsmann, Marco Rose would not fancy to come to United as they have signed to new clubs recently.
Apart from these two Tuchel and Poch are the two candidates I would like to have at OT.
 
Most seem to want Pochettino if Solskjaer is axed. Would that change if Julian Nagglesman was to win the Bundesliga and make the last 8 of the Champions League?

I think most ManUtd fans would take Nagglesmann but I don't think he will leave Leipzig after just one season, especially if he wins Bundesliga.
 
I need nagglesmann at the club because he can build his tactics depending on the players he has here. He is so damn flexible.

Pochettino is good but has his preferences & tactics that he doesn't change that will turn this in to just another rebuild.

Nagelsmann 352 is literally insane playing with a target man who brings a wider striker in to finish off chances - sounds familiar?

Nagglesmann is the key to the 352 because he defends with a 6-2-2 & attacks with a 2-3-5.

He will also play 442 as well so will change his tactics.

Agreed. People are afraid of "missing out" on Poch, but personally i am much more concerned about missing out on this guy. He will no doubt be at a big club in a couple of years and we have to make sure its us
 
I prefer Nagelsmann's style over Poch, but us just going for the latter seems very obvious doesn't it. We don't seem like a club who thinks outside the box.
 
Marco Rose, Julian Nagelsmann, Thomas Tuchel, Mauricio Pochettino, Adi Hutter, Ten Hag, Brendan Rodgers and Marcelo Gallardo etc should be some of the options we consider due to their profile and style of play.

I'm hoping we stay away from the likes of Allegri, Simeone and Nuno due to their negative mindset/tactics. I don't want to see more mind numbingly shite football for the next few years.
Excellent list and I'm glad you included Rodgers; very underrated in my opinion. If people don't want him here because he coached the dippers, then fair enough, I'm not going to argue against that. But if you are making up a top 5 list based on ability and possible availability (because let's face it, Pep and Klopp are never coming here) Brendan should be on that list in my opinion. Love his style of play.
 
I'd be all in on Poch if I were Ed/the Glazers. He ticks off all the boxes and has Prem experience to boot. SAF would fancy him as well as it's been reported that they've been close over the years and Poch has said in the press that he considers him to be a friend and mentor when he was recovering from surgery a while back.

Definitely interested in seeing him at a club that isn't afraid to spend but I still feel that we would need to have a reshuffling of whoever is in charge of recruitment for him, or ANY manager bar SAF, to truly succeed.

Would hate to let him join another club in the league, since he prefers to stay in England at the moment, while we have the need
 
I remember Sir Alex speaking about Pochettino in surprisingly glowing terms when Soton played Utd at OT and Utd somehow won back in 2013.

And then those two coming out of restaurant (Poch‘s assistant there too) about three years ago.

And then more recently the press stories of how Ed is a fan.

The fact that he is making media noise on these shores is a telling sign.
 
If Ole finishes in top 4 and /or win Europa Cup he deserves to continue, otherwise it will be a calamity to let Pochettino go like that.
 
If Ole finishes in top 4 and /or win Europa Cup he deserves to continue, otherwise it will be a calamity to let Pochettino go like that.

Even if he achieves the unthinkable and does what you say, a sane club would still move him on because its the best he's going to do it, and it would give the next man to come in a brilliant platform.

Obviously, if Ole achieves either of those things he will be staying, but he won't.
 
If Ole finishes in top 4 and /or win Europa Cup he deserves to continue, otherwise it will be a calamity to let Pochettino go like that.

I’d imagine that’s exactly what club will be thinking. They’ll be talking to Poch and letting Ole plan for next season. I don’t they’ve got balls to make a definite decision themselves and be looking for Ole to make it for them one way or another.
 
If Fernandes was here in the summer, a long with another striker or a RW- poor Ole wouldn’t have these questions be asked
Not exactly. There's more to managing than just signing players.

We could sign the World XI, but we would still be less than the sum of our parts under Ole.
 
If Fernandes was here in the summer, a long with another striker or a RW- poor Ole wouldn’t have these questions be asked

Managers with actual track record of success are questioned, so I highly doubt that two random players that haven't done much in their careers would change how people see Ole today.
 
I don't think we can afford to hang around with Poch. Tell him now he's got the job even if Ole flukes a cup win. There are very few managers out there that for me fits the bill of United manager. Poch is definitely one of them and he isn't going to hang around if we keep faffing about with if, buts and maybes.
 
I don't think we can afford to hang around with Poch. Tell him now he's got the job even if Ole flukes a cup win. There are very few managers out there that for me fits the bill of United manager. Poch is definitely one of them and he isn't going to hang around if we keep faffing about with if, buts and maybes.
Look at how quickly the situation can change in football. I'm dreading us hanging about, only for City to swoop in if Guardiola decides to leave.
 
Imagine the fallout if Utd favour keeping Ole over signing Pochettino.
 
Look at how quickly the situation can change in football. I'm dreading us hanging about, only for City to swoop in if Guardiola decides to leave.
I've got the exact same fear. Guardiola is famous for burning his players out which is why he doesn't stay at one club for more than 3 or 4 years so it wouldn't surprise me if he does move on at the end of the season and Poch is more than good enough to take over the reigns at City.

The club have to be ruthless. We have (in my opinion) one of the best fit managers sitting at home weighing up his options with us sitting in 8th place which could turn out to be lower with the run of games we've got coming up. If we leave it too long with Poch and he goes to another club who exactly could come in when Ole inevitably fails? We're living in dreamland if people think Naaglesman will be joining us so it could be stick or bust with Ole *crying*
 
It is more likely that Poch will choose City. Good luck to them.

I am more inclined towards Nagelsmann if we can get him in summer. The guy is perfect fit for everything united stand for. Also in brain department nagelsmann seems better furnished than poch (personal view).
 
The depression on this place if we go into next season with Ole after continuing to look far from impressive and Poch is at City. It will feel utterly hopeless on here, and rightfully so really.
 
Pochettino would be a good appointment. United should keep their options open. Looking at it somewhat dispassionately, Pochettino is potentially right for United but is United right for Pochettino?