OGS as Dof why? Why not vds?
United’s next manager
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I cannot help but think people are hyping Marco Rose up too much at this moment in his career.
He has come from a club that we all know has a fantastic structure regards scouting and signing players (red bull Salzburg) and of course did very well there, and now is in just his first year coaching in one of the 'big 5' leagues. That already is a big leap.
And like with a lot of German clubs, there is a very distinct hierachy in place at Gladbach with Max Eberl their very experienced sporting director leading the way. Rose will have little influence on what goes on at the club beyond coaching.
Is Rose doing a good job at Gladbach? For sure. But Gladbach are a big club, with good resources (in the confines of the Bundesliga), they are doing what they should be doing - competing for CL places. I would say they have the 4th best squad in Bundesliga at this moment, so this is the level they need to be competing at. It is not like he's taking a club with lower to middle of the table resources and is competing for the CL places.
I would say Rose needs to stay with Gladbach for 2 or 3 years. He is clearly a fine coach, but he hasn't even had time to prove how good at the levels he's at yet, let alone making a massive leap to a club like Manchester United, where the structure isn't as he's used to working with.
He has come from a club that we all know has a fantastic structure regards scouting and signing players (red bull Salzburg) and of course did very well there, and now is in just his first year coaching in one of the 'big 5' leagues. That already is a big leap.
And like with a lot of German clubs, there is a very distinct hierachy in place at Gladbach with Max Eberl their very experienced sporting director leading the way. Rose will have little influence on what goes on at the club beyond coaching.
Is Rose doing a good job at Gladbach? For sure. But Gladbach are a big club, with good resources (in the confines of the Bundesliga), they are doing what they should be doing - competing for CL places. I would say they have the 4th best squad in Bundesliga at this moment, so this is the level they need to be competing at. It is not like he's taking a club with lower to middle of the table resources and is competing for the CL places.
I would say Rose needs to stay with Gladbach for 2 or 3 years. He is clearly a fine coach, but he hasn't even had time to prove how good at the levels he's at yet, let alone making a massive leap to a club like Manchester United, where the structure isn't as he's used to working with.
I think VDS definitely has his sights on the club, when he's taken the Ajax project as far as he can I think he's going to make himself available to us, I'm really hoping that is the reason why we haven't filled the DOF spot right now but that's wishful thinking.
Spurs?5/6 years ago? Well, you've convinced me there pal. That's the yardstick.
Jose always wanted the job.
So, who then?
And even if we manage to recruit a "top boss" after one season here, he'll b e wondering wtf he was thinking. But you know what, most don't give a feck anyway. Sacked with contract still running... $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
fecked until this American/Jewish mob are ousted or bought out
Lets not get anti semitic about this.
Ten Hag and bring 2-3 AJAX players in.
He's CEO at Ajax, and I cannot see him leaving that post to go as DOF for us.
Spurs?
Jose always wanted the job.
So, who then?
And even if we manage to recruit a "top boss" after one season here, he'll b e wondering wtf he was thinking. But you know what, most don't give a feck anyway. Sacked with contract still running... $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
fecked until this American/Jewish mob are ousted or bought out
How do you mean. What was he thinking!? His job is to manage not change the structure of the board. Except for being slow in the market what will I.e Poch be lacking to manage? Are we going to refuse to make him have his coaching staff? Refuse to make him have training facility changes? Refuse to give players big wages.
Explain what the hell your talking about?
The new manager should demand a DOF of his choosing and Ed to step away from the most important part of the football club, the fecking football.
He's shit
Nobody can demand anything from these guys. It’s a waste of time. Ed runs the club how he wants, and any manager either deals with that fact or they leave.
It will only happen with the sale of the club. He has shown some fleeting intrest so another flicker of light extinguished when Ed brings home another Asian commercial partner.
Ed has no pedigree in the game and gets taken for a ride by anyone who gets paid to be on the pitch. If Pochettino was really interested I think he could demand what he wants, especially if he went straight to the owners.
You don't think guardiola will return for Messis last couple of seasons?
If Mourinho couldn’t do it, Poch sure as hell can’t either.
Can't be shittier than < 30% win rate
Has that Nagelsmann fella stopped being flavour of the month?
I’m not nearly as sold on him as many people on here, but the sensible option as it stands would probably be Poch.
I think his in game management can be as poor as Ole’s on occasion, but Poch is good at improving players.
Uniteds squad lacks quality right now but we have a lot of youngsters to work with and build around, which Poch to his credit seems very capable of doing.
If he can fully implement the kids into the side like Ole has been doing, whilst also getting us playing a ‘modern’ pressing game, then he’d be a decent manager for us.
I think his in game management can be as poor as Ole’s on occasion, but Poch is good at improving players.
Uniteds squad lacks quality right now but we have a lot of youngsters to work with and build around, which Poch to his credit seems very capable of doing.
If he can fully implement the kids into the side like Ole has been doing, whilst also getting us playing a ‘modern’ pressing game, then he’d be a decent manager for us.
We are building from the bottom up so that may benefit a manager like him.
Definitely, I hate us going from manager to manager but we seriously cant continue when the results are so poor.
I’m the same mate. Getting a new manager every 12/24 months will do us no good, but the results have been awful and I’m not convinced Ole’s transfer strategy of top target or bust will do us any good in the long term.
Perhaps, you might be right, yes. I’d really like Poch here, but I think he’d struggle, with the state we’re in.
Very likely.
He has Leipzig sitting 2 pts clear at the top of the league and has qualified for the last 32 in the Champions League.
I was hoping the Ole as DOF idea has died, but nope here it is.
It is honestly so blasphemous to me.
He fails as the manager, but let's promote him and have him oversee our next manager.
Ridiculous.
I think we'll go for Poch but i'd prefer Nagelsmann or Rose and possibly Ten Hag.
I believe the structure would only change if we hire a coach who would ask for certain working conditions. That won't happen with Poch but there's a very good chance it will under Nagelmann, Rose, Ten Hag.
I believe the structure would only change if we hire a coach who would ask for certain working conditions. That won't happen with Poch but there's a very good chance it will under Nagelmann, Rose, Ten Hag.
Most great coaches are at one point in their careers. Even SAF was the flavour of the month at Aberdeen at one point.
Couldn’t agree more! Very strange to want Ole as our DOF.
Spurs?
Jose always wanted the job.
So, who then?
And even if we manage to recruit a "top boss" after one season here, he'll b e wondering wtf he was thinking. But you know what, most don't give a feck anyway. Sacked with contract still running... $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
fecked until this American/Jewish mob are ousted or bought out
You know Everton is coached by Carlo Ancelotti now?
Ole as a DoF and you'll find him smiling and telling the sellers & buyers "It's okay if no deal this time, just enjoy your job as a negotiator".
He does, but he’s not being mentioned here much.
Most want Poch it seems.
And don't forget the participation trophies on your way out of the negotiation room. Haha!!! Jokes apart I would not want Ole anywhere near our brains trust when his time at Utd is up.
As regards manager could we somehow tempt Conte? He seems the right mix of tactical nous, passion, wit and motivation. And he is young too. We have tried Portuguese, Dutch and Norwegian. Guardiola won't come here so the Spanish can wait. Let's go Italian this time.
Strange as JN seems one to genuinely watch.
Misinterpreted my post, but never mind.
Yeah I just got what you meant.
Most on here I think prefer Poch.
I'm not 100% sold on him and would prefer we went another option.
I'm pretty much with you in that I'm not completely sold on Poch either.
I really hope it's Poch, although I wouldn't mind Allegri or Ten Hag. I don't remember Poch pressuring Levy for signings during his time at Spurs, so I hope that changes if he becomes the manager. Jose called out the board consistently but unfortunately also threw players under the bus while doing so. Poch needs to put pressure on the board to spend. He's a manager that will be in demand so he will have leverage to negotiate and ensure he has money.
It's a bit of a dangerous thing. I know Ole doesn't have the credentials to back up his appointment, but I still think most managers would have us in this situation given the circumstances he was dealing with. If we do get a new manager, we have to make sure it is a manager who is as concerned about the long term standards and values of the club. In truth, I would love for us to hire some form of sporting director prior in order to ensure that on a squad level, we have right people to take us back to where we belong. The problem we have now is not the manager as opposed to what it was under Moyes. Van Gaal, potentially not truly studying the quality of players in the market, seeking to progress his legacy and letting his ego get the best of him, sacrificed a lot of the quality and character that we had in the club in return for mediocrity. We lost a lot of our hard working depth players and replaced them with players of similar or lesser quality with unsuitable characteristic traits. This is why, despite the fact that some of those players were of similar quality, we have not been able to get the same level of consistency or frequency of use from them. This came about as a result of hiring two quick fix superstar managers more concerned about improving their legend as opposed to steering the squad in the right direction for the long run. LVG killed the quality of the squad, Mourinho improved then purposely stagnated the quality of the squad due to his ego. A manager seeking the long term growth of his team would not publicly blast players the way he did, bring in quick fixes like Matic the way he did or attract as much negative media attention in the manner that he did.
The thing with Ole is that he has always approached the role in a selfless manner. We all know the dearth of quality he has in the squad and the indecision of the group above him. The problem we have, high compensation levels for an underperforming unproven squad comes from the lack of core values and standards that we had BEFORE Ole arrived. The real criticism I would have since his arrival is the fact that some of the deadwood that we had under Mourinho ( Shaw, Pereira, Lingard,Jones and Matic) are still frequently played members of the squad while quality replacements are only slowly coming in. It does make sense to be patient and wait for the right signings to come in rather than bringing in a school of mediocrity like LVG did. That level quality does exist in the market and should not be hard to find and sign given the resources that a monumental club like us has. Is the problem our scouting team? Is it our negotiators? Or is it negligence from the people above them ( Woodward)? What is clear is that Ole is not the problem here, and no tactics he implements would work consistently with the majority of the current set of players we have. In football it is easiest to blame the manager for poor performances, but that is what badly run organizations do. Ole's vision is clear and I agree that performances are poor, but he has to have the time to get the right people in. Given the dearth of quality he had prior to his arrival and the slow process he has to work with from our CEO, 1 and a half transfer windows may not be enough.
The thing with Ole is that he has always approached the role in a selfless manner. We all know the dearth of quality he has in the squad and the indecision of the group above him. The problem we have, high compensation levels for an underperforming unproven squad comes from the lack of core values and standards that we had BEFORE Ole arrived. The real criticism I would have since his arrival is the fact that some of the deadwood that we had under Mourinho ( Shaw, Pereira, Lingard,Jones and Matic) are still frequently played members of the squad while quality replacements are only slowly coming in. It does make sense to be patient and wait for the right signings to come in rather than bringing in a school of mediocrity like LVG did. That level quality does exist in the market and should not be hard to find and sign given the resources that a monumental club like us has. Is the problem our scouting team? Is it our negotiators? Or is it negligence from the people above them ( Woodward)? What is clear is that Ole is not the problem here, and no tactics he implements would work consistently with the majority of the current set of players we have. In football it is easiest to blame the manager for poor performances, but that is what badly run organizations do. Ole's vision is clear and I agree that performances are poor, but he has to have the time to get the right people in. Given the dearth of quality he had prior to his arrival and the slow process he has to work with from our CEO, 1 and a half transfer windows may not be enough.