It was an example that it wasn't only one season. Considering he got a bigger job in Spurs before us wanting him is totally different to Moyes.
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It was an example that it wasn't only one season. Considering he got a bigger job in Spurs before us wanting him is totally different to Moyes.
What better way than asking people about him, who are more informed on him than I am, right?
Significant for them but insignificant for everyone else.
Please guys at least try to be realistic and don't be a hipster trying to find the next top rated manager as if you're Redcafe football version of Simon Cowell.
Kovac a better choice than Poch is peak trying to be clever logic.
I agree with your general point, I just thought it was a bad example
I like this post.
I'm one of the most optimistic guy, always supporting Ole.
But I don't think we can overlook Poch, the only respectful move we can do is to replace him during the summer.
Insignificant for you maybe. It's their FA Cup and he beat Bayern fecking Munich in the final to win it. I'm not saying he's necessarily a good fit for us, but I do think he is better than Poch. Also won the domestic treble with Bayern and was only sacked because of a couple of bad results in the second season. He didn't even completely lose the dressing room and leave the team heading toward relegation.
Nagelsmann has turned unimpressive groups of players into pretty good units at Hoffenheim and now Leipzig, squeezing everything out of them, it's generally the sign of a manager that can make the step up. The "2 nothing teams" part is I believe shortsighted because most managers come from this type of teams and unless someone gives them a chance in the upper echelon, they will always have that stigma. It's also worth mentioning that most managers that are available and have managed bigger clubs failed with them at some point which in my opinion should be a bigger stigma than not having been given the chance to step up. At the end of the day, no guarantees success in a different environment whether we are talking about the big names or the new comers, we shouldn't put that much emphasis on reputation and look at their recent body of work.
Spurs should be forever indebted to Poch for keeping his mouth shut and keeping the team at a high level for the larger part of his tenure. He finished 2nd with an 86 point season in 16-17 with a net spend of just 28 million pounds. Their highest in decades. And then he was backed how? With a net spend of just 16 million pounds the following season! Spurs built their new stadium and yet maintained respectability thanks to him. I am amazed that even after his sacking he never spoke about his time at Spurs in any negative light. Speaks volumes of his professionalism. Despite all his constraints his worst league position in five full seasons at Spurs was 5th, which was his first season and he had to pick the team from Sherwood's mess. After that they have consistently been in CL.
What was he supposed to say, they didn't have more money?
He probably had a NDA or something like that, but yeah I do agree with your post overall.
He was a thorough professional during and after his stint. He was always calm in the face of constraints and restrictions. No barbs, no jibes, no wordplay. That was my point. Nothing more or less. He was thoroughly more justified to speak out than some of his contemporaries, considering how much he did with how little he got.
I still remember how emotional he became after the CL semis win. It was the expression of a man who had waded through a lot of difficulties to get where he was.
Yes agreed. Plus out of respect and affection for the team he built for the club.
But again what was he supposed to say? He joined a club that isn't particularly wealthy at a time where they were building and financing new infrastructures. What was he supposed to speak out about, the way you say it you would think that there is some hidden reality. He got what he was supposed to have when he signed for Tottenham, he wasn't more justified to speak out, the fact that he overachieved didn't change the financial reality of Tottenham when he was at the club.
Stories in Italy that Allegri has a deal with a major English club to take over in summer…which means he is now being linked with us. But could it be City?
So you mean to say that before he signed the contract there he read an understood a clause that said something like..." We will only allow you to spend a max of x millions net irrespective of how well you do here"?
He was never even remotely rewarded with the financial backing he deserved after his achievements at Spurs. It's Spurs' loss and I am happy that it may now turn out to be our gain.
No, I'm saying that Spurs didn't have the money and that he knew that when he joined them.
That would be quite a shift in style after Guardiola though. I can't really see City going for Allegri.
And I am saying that he was a thorough professional in his behaviour despite not being backed even after giving Spurs their best ever league finish in decades.
Levy said they would invest in the squad before he signed that new deal. The stadium delay etc seemed to be an issue.
Not being rich and not making a single transfer for 18 months are 2 separate issues.
"Not being backed" isn't a thing in this context, they didn't have the money. So you are basically praising someone for not being unprofessional.
Which is my point, they didn't have the money. And no they are not two separate issues, if you don't have the money, you don't have it. He joined a club that was already invested in costly infrastructure spendings, safe of being an idiot he knew exactly what was the financial reality of Tottenham.
How do you know they didn't have the money? Levy is a billionaire and Lewis is multi billionaire. Because they are misers doesn't mean that Spurs didn't have the money.
With respect things change. Along with the delays the new contract was signed with the promise of investment (along with selling players) which didnt happen.
I dont think there is any issue with what happened in the first 3 years or so. Everything after signing the new deal was the issue.
Personally I believe the club anticipated moving in sooner and the cost not being as high and so the delays meant promises had to be delayed.
The first sentence makes no sense in this context, if you don't have money, you simply don't. Reading all these things and seeing how some managers react, I question the maturity of some of the football people and nowadays we seemingly expect them to act like spoilt idiots.
It does with time. If you tell me you dont have money for the next 3 years I will ask questions in year 4/5. This is the point I was making. In the context before the new contract was signed the narrative was that of money being available.
Chelsea?
Going for Allegri? I could see that.
There are about potentially 4 or 5 really top managers going to be available this summer, it would be such a missed opportunity if the club ignore the other options and keep Solskjear on for another season.
Sitting with Woodward and SAF
That will set the cat among the pigeons!!!
Who are these top managers who will be available?
I'm assuming these 4 or 5 numbers is except Poch.
Nagelsmann leaves Premier League door open after passing up Real Madrid opportunity.
https://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/nagelsmann-leaves-premier-league-door-open-after-passing-up-real-/aefnmpr1uj161pmkfhq407a1o
https://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/nagelsmann-leaves-premier-league-door-open-after-passing-up-real-/aefnmpr1uj161pmkfhq407a1o
Pep replacement. Look forward to it too.
Would love us to get him but think he is from the Klopp school of management who wants a proper structure at the club.
If he wants to wait some time for the right job then you never know what the future holds & we might have a good chance of getting him ( not talking about next season because that's too soon even on his accord).
However, I can kind of imagine him trying to do a Klopp like manoeuvre and manage a club like Arsenal - go to a club where the expectations aren't exactly high at the moment but neither are they low and build up something from there with minimal pressure on his back.
Kind of a stretch to call him Pep’s replacement when there’s been 5 managers since Pep left.
Talking about City...Which should have been fairly obvious if you look at the title of the link.
I'd rather we go for Rose.