Let's hire a guy who has had one brilliant season in his entire managerial career. If we are gonna replace OGS it should be with a lot better manager than Pochettino
United’s next manager
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What?
Who should we get?
Why not? He will be working for a big club with good money to spend, if he fails then people can blame Woodward, if he is good then people will give huge credit for taking club back to top.
It's not like there are many openings at big clubs either. Madrid are good with Zidane, don't think Barca and him are good fit and will even discuss going by history.
PSG have Tuchel, this might open next season
Bayern have new coach who is doing well
All other English big clubs have settled managers or newly appointed ones.
Juventus might sack Sarri but they are going for Allegri as per reports.
Yes we are in the situation that we shouldn't be in but we aren't as bad as Liverpool were when Klopp took over or Spurs when Poch took over. We have good players with gaps in few positions, need better coach to bring best out of them and build a team that is more than sum of its parts.
Yeah the mood is really lifted by such positive and insightful posts like yours here
Great shout
So you rate Ole higher than Poch?
Who is available that is 'a lot better' than Pochettino?
So you going to make a statement like that without even giving your opinion on who we should hire then?
One brilliant season? He led Southampton to their highest league finish, is that not an achievement on its own?
I think Ole will leave at the end of the season by mutual consent and we will get Pochettino, without a CL win Pep has unfinished business at City and should be fired up to take the title back from Klopp. Us letting Ole continue would be monumentally stupid and I think even Woodward isn't that foolish.
Poch spotted with Neil Ashton at Leeds game. Think we are definitely in touch.
The Chelsea game is high stakes for Ole.
Spotted with Ashton, then next day piece comes out about how Poch would 'love a return to the premier league' picked up by all the big papers. Seems like the meeting with Utd's PR chief could have been about how to slowly break the story in the press, without disrespecting Ole too much in the interim.
The way I look at it we have a ready made premier league proven manager in Poch just waiting for us. Be stupid to let this chance by with what we’ve seen so far. If Poch doesn’t work out then we can go to the up and coming managers like nagelsmann or rose.
If only Ed had the brains to wait until the end of last season instead of handing over Ole the permanent manager contract out of pressure from ex-players, fans, pundits, etc.
They will be definitely talking to Poch and won't say a word until the season ends or until Ole can't make to next years CL.
I want Ole to succeed, I’m just not sure he has what it takes to and I think Pochettino is a really good manager, we must of surely made contact with him, lots of talk about him coming to us and I think it would make sense.
See this is what seperates clubs with small mentality to the ones with big mentality, Barcelona recently got rid of their manager for one they deemed an upgrade, even though he won the league 2 out of the 3 years he was there, and they are still pretty much in the running for this season as well, but they got rid for someone else. Yet here we are saying oh if he makes top 4 he should get a chance.
I absolutely agree with you, even if he gets top 4 he should be moved on without a doubt, if there's a possibility of better, you take it, be ruthless ffs.
I think Moyes did rather well for Everton, too. That‘s a bad example for proving your case.
Valverde, Allegri, Kovac, Jardim, Blanc
The disrespect
poch with funds is an absolute no brainer - make it happen
no way ole gets the gig if it wasnt for his name - his managerial record is laughable
no way ole gets the gig if it wasnt for his name - his managerial record is laughable
Has he won any trophies?
Christ
You're wasting your time with football.
Have Southampton or Tottenham ever been Favourites or even really expected to win trophies? Or have they actually overachieved massively compared to spend and wages.
Kovac won Frankfurt their first trophy since 1988 so who's disrespecting who here.
I‘m a bit torn. But I don‘t get the notion to hire Poch, because he‘ll „be it“.
I feel he could be right, but we‘ve been through this a few times now. I don’t think anybody here can say that they didn’t feel good and optimistic about any of our post-Ferguson managers.
I think the hatred and dislike of Ole is blinding a handful of us into actionism. Although I understand the disappointment with Ole so far, turmoil and rage aren’t helping with clear decisions.
I don’t know if Ole isn’t capable enough as a manager or is just limited due to circumstances (at least partially self-inflicted) like our tiny squad, injury crisis and the better managers and teams he is up against.
I don’t think any manager that comes to us is going to guarantee success like it was possible just a handful of years ago. I think anyone, including Poch, could run out of time before we run out of patience. Our vocal fanbase has been behaving like entitled, spoilt brats for years now. That’s the only given in our situation.
The golden days are over and they’re not coming back, even with another new manager. A new manager will likely bring back hope and buzz for a while, but unlikely the success that many of us dream of, the success we were lucky enough to have witnesses under Ferguson.
I feel he could be right, but we‘ve been through this a few times now. I don’t think anybody here can say that they didn’t feel good and optimistic about any of our post-Ferguson managers.
I think the hatred and dislike of Ole is blinding a handful of us into actionism. Although I understand the disappointment with Ole so far, turmoil and rage aren’t helping with clear decisions.
I don’t know if Ole isn’t capable enough as a manager or is just limited due to circumstances (at least partially self-inflicted) like our tiny squad, injury crisis and the better managers and teams he is up against.
I don’t think any manager that comes to us is going to guarantee success like it was possible just a handful of years ago. I think anyone, including Poch, could run out of time before we run out of patience. Our vocal fanbase has been behaving like entitled, spoilt brats for years now. That’s the only given in our situation.
The golden days are over and they’re not coming back, even with another new manager. A new manager will likely bring back hope and buzz for a while, but unlikely the success that many of us dream of, the success we were lucky enough to have witnesses under Ferguson.
Good to read Pochettino's recent comments. Seems we may be actively looking for a new manager after all. We need to move on from the Ole debacle without a shadow of a doubt.
Does anyone believe that Liverpool would have won the CL last season and be sitting at 24 wins and 1 draw well on their way to a record breaking season under Solskjaer? Would Henderson and Wijnaldum look like world beaters under Solskjaer?
There might be something in them spotted together at the game, wouldn't surprise me if someone that Ashton knows within the club tipped off Poch's people but I could be completely wrong and it was coincidental. Bit funny that the stuff came out yesterday saying he was interested in managing in the premier league though wasn't it
Yes. Am happy that we are in touch with at least one brilliant young manager. We should also be trying to assess other young up and coming managers such as Nagelsmann. There is no rule against poaching managers right? Let's see how this Poch development progresses. Imagine if next he attends a United game at Old Trafford.
Cannot see any way that he attends a Utd game while Ole is still in charge because think he has too much respect for him, would love to see Nagelsmann in charge of the club one day after a few more years in Germany but only comes here if we sort out the structure above the manager which at the moment is a complete and utter mess.
Would they under SAF? Henderson and Wijnaldum have nothing on the likes of Scholes and Carrick.
Certainly and with the CL knockouts around the corner lots of big jobs could open up, for example I don't see Sarri and Tuchel surviving an early CL exit whilst the specter of Pep doing a runner at City looms large on the horizon. The board has to wake up and take decisive action or we are looking at missing out on a manager that suits what we need right now to a tee.
Nagelsmann/Rose would be ideal, if we want to get ahead and be a top team in the coming decade of football. I really feel we need to find a manager with fresh ideas about the sport. We missed the boat on Pep/Klopp but we should really try get ahead of the curve and get the next big managers and innovators.
I feel they would be hard to bring aboard given they are still new at their current clubs so if we get someone like Poch who is still a modern coach and will be good option even if I have my own reservations on him.
I feel they would be hard to bring aboard given they are still new at their current clubs so if we get someone like Poch who is still a modern coach and will be good option even if I have my own reservations on him.
Poch is a modern coach with a fair record at his last club. He knows how to integrate youngsters, and operate with limited resources. He is not uber attacking but neither too pragmatic. He will certainly not be as big a gamble as Solskjaer. Even if he can replicate his 55 percent win record as with Spurs, it will be a good move. He is not going to lead us to trophies in a jiffy but he will definitely give the team an identity and more than one gameplan, both of which are missing right now. His team's have work ethic, industry, meaningful pressing, defensive discipline and also individuals get chances to showcase their talents. He has encouraged flair players to do their stuff on the field and also shown formation flexibility when required. He will be a practical choice as our new manager.
I've not seen anything of Nagelsmann other than he's in his early thirties and have coached 2 nothing teams. What makes people so certain he can do well here?
I agree with everything you said but still feel he is more pragmatic than people say, and slightly concerned he could not win at least a cup with a very good team (that he built to be fair).
He is leagues ahead of Ole and as you say a modern coach who I think would bring a lot of improvement. I would be very happy if he becomes our manager even if he isn't my perfect candidate.
Go and do some research.
He has had to be pragmatic. Here's the reason why:
1. Despite being good performers and challenging the top four consistently he has had net spends of 28 million pounds in 16-17 and 16 million pounds in 17-18.
2. In his best season when he reached the CL final he was given ZERO new players. He proved that he had squeezed every last drop from the team at hand.
3. The CL final defeat was a crushing thing for him. Throughout the past years he competed with teams which had invested millions while he swam with his hands tied behind his back. There was mental fatigue for him after the CL loss and he may have finally cracked under a justified feeling of injustice.
There is more in his locker. And a fresh challenge with us will bring it out.