It's a copious amount of sweat from Robben I believe.
UCL Round of 16 - First Legs - Feb 18 - 26
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First thing you do in the CL is look for who United have got and when they play, then you look for the big fixtures. Was excited about this weeks European footie and both games decided by the ref pretty much. Right calls but still, what a let down, ties SHOULD be now over.
If we only had 1 just one solid midfielder (don't say Carrick) then we would have at least a snow ball's chance against the top sides like Bayern. Otherwise we would need a lot of luck to beat them.
You need a lot of luck in general. We were very close to eliminating Mourinho's Madrid with midfields consisting of Cleverley/Carrick and Jones/Carrick.
Gibbs' injury changed the game in my opinion. He would have spotted that Robben run much better than Monreal.
Why are you blaming the keeper? It's rather foolish. A lot of keepers would have done the same. You don't stay on your line and an attacker is free on goal coming towards you. He tried to close the player down and he touched him for a foul. It was a penalty yes but he had to come out.
It looks like sweat.
If the rules were applied properly, Boateng wouldn't have been yellow carded in the first place.
Agreed. Gibbs is a lot better than Monreal and given that Ozil decided not to do any defensive work, Gibbs would have coped much better.
So Arsenal basically out as well now.
No, but it makes City have to score two goals at least to tie it up, and three if they want to win outside of penalties. Something I can't see them doing.
Totally disagree. We showed much more fight against Madrid than Arsenal did today against Bayern. Diego Lopez had to make several difficult saves after we went 2-1 down and was man of the match (despite us playing with 10 men). Arsenal didn't even try tonight.
And by the way, Arsenal also had the advantage of going into half time still 0-0 to absorb the shock of the red card, we didn't. Our plan was messed up and we didn't have the time they had to re-group.
I don't remember us ever being threatening once we were down to ten men. It was more a case of going through the motions - from what we showed we didn't look like getting back into the game. Ronaldo had chances when we were 2-1 down as well I remember.
Arsenal were in a different situation tonight. This was the first leg and our game was the second leg. They didn't have to score tonight to progress, granted it would make things easier for them in the second leg. My point was that I was impressed with their defensive organisation, shuffling across from side to side to nullify Bayern as much as they could.
Bayern didn't really have many clear chances and that's not due to them being poor. They controlled the match no doubt but Arsenal limited them.
Looked off-side to me as well. I think the commentators were talking about it in match as well.
That's possible about an inch offside and looks like Dante's foot is deeper than Boateng might even be playing him on, can't tell from that angle but you can't criticise the lino for getting that wrong.
I thought you started brilliantly, great intensity from the start, great game plan and you got lucky with the penalty with Özil being slightly offside. You should have made it count. Guardiola really got his tactics wrong in the beginning, he should have played with Lahm in midfield and Rafinha rightback from the start. Martinez hasn't started a game in CM in more than 2 months and it showed, our midfield didn't work in the first 10-15 minutes, but even prior to the sending off (I'd say from the 10th minute onwards), we started to control the game, Martinez felt more comfortable in his role and Arsenal lost the intensity they had in the beginning. I wasn't worried and I'm pretty sure we could have turned the game around, if Arsenal took the lead. Guardiola is great at correcting his mistakes during a game and the switch back to Lahm in midfield was always happening at halftime and would have worked against 11 men as well, in my opinion.
You really shouldn't underrate our bad luck with injuries this season and what it meant to all the players who are constantly played in different positions. Most likely Ribery will be back for the return leg, which should help Alaba a lot (I've said before that he's a bit overrated on the Caf and that Ribery's workrate is highly important for him, because he's still incredibly young and makes quite a few mistakes in defense, he's just so well protected that it rarely shows.) Müller upfront is a better choice than Mandzukic, but he looked tired in recent weeks, he played a lot of games. Schweinsteiger's presence was also missing.
Sure, you can get to this Bayern side, you can get to any side, imo, but you lost at home against a team with problems, which most likely won't be there in every game. Sounds still pretty great to me. Also, I would have taken Robben scoring over your goalkeeper being sent off every time. A 1-0 lead would have helped us just as much. By the way, Alaba missing the penalty showed that you really need that red card as a punishment, if it avoids a clear goal (Robben controled the ball perfectly and just needed to put it in the empty net, if he wasn't fouled. A penalty is clearly a worse chance than that, so if you give a yellow card, there's no punishment.)
Didn't watch the first half but Bayern against ten men Arsenal were more impressive than Barca against ten men City I'll give you that.
I think the common factor has to be Guardiola - he sets up his teams to play in a very systematic way. They never hurried, but unlike Barca, they moved around the ball a fraction bit quicker from side to side. Bayern have to be favourites, especially if this is a side that's supposedly been suffering from some problems.
They won't feck up as much this season, it wad their only lapse of concentration last year - they didn't make the same mistake against Juve or Bayern.
You just lost to them at home. You are not going to beat them at Allianz.
Because it's not the first time Szczęsny does something like this, he didn't have to foul him there, the goal would've been scored but atleast Arsenal would've had 11 men on the pitch. It was unnecessary and bad decision made by him. Go see how Fabiański have managed to go 1v1 with Liverpool in their last game.
He's Polish and seems to have some sort of strange grudge against Chesney. I'd ignore him if I were you.
When you have that much posession, the other team will have 9-10 players behind the ball almost always because the element of surprise is missing, sou you are facing a well organized defense and a very crowded pen area. This affects the ammount of space available, naturally. So that is what they do: control the game and be patient. Still creates a couple of chances and usually a few of them lead to goals, which is good enough. Also, the other team is not going to create much on their own, and the 10 man Arsenal last night didn't even try for most of the time.
Three of the four ties so far played are pretty much concluded as to who'll go through, unfortunately. Well....in City's case fortunately.
Milan were unfortunate last night, Kaka had two good shots, they should have scored at least one goal. The return leg will be interesting indeed
I don't think he went there with the intention to foul him but shit happens. You're making it sound like Chezny did it on purpose.
I didn't see that game but I prefer it when second legs are too close to call, it adds an edge to European night football. Foregone conclusions are always a bit lackluster.
I was zapping between the two matches, Milan were playing well. Better than in recent weeks. Balotelli should stop taking free kicks, he wasted them by shooting from ridiculous angles.
I find it hard zapping, I have to submerse myself in the narrative of the game, for good or bad. The idea of zapping to catch the goals isn't really my thing.
I zap only when there is a pause in the game (a player injured, players arguing, a goal kick). I know it's not the best way to watch a match.
Yeah definitely.
I just thought it was an impressive park the bus job with ten men (granted parking the bus is not the most difficult tactic to execute).
Chelsea two seasons ago was another good example v Barca, but even they got battered and Barca had a lot more chances in that game than in the two CL fixtures this week.
I was just thinking, if Sczeznywhatever continued coming out for the ball without thinking that Robben might catch him it would be identical to Nani situation and by those rules Robben should be the one who should get red card. But still, it could be interpreted as a foul against Robben(by those rules), because the keeper is coming out for the ball and he decides to moves his body so Robben can't catch him with his studs. It was still dangerous play by Robben in firat place.
Didn't see the game but bloody hell, 79% possession away from home! Even against 10 men that's a ridiculous stat
Arsenal did well, the confidence from the FA Cup win certainly helped in the first 20 minutes. But the main lesson from that FA Cup game was scoring is king. Put that first penalty away and it could have been a different game. Don’t score (ala Sturridge) and the playing well bit is quickly forgotten.
2-0 is a difficult scoreline, its nearly over but not fully over. Would have made Wenger’s selection a lot simpler in the next leg if he knew there was zero chance – thus saving legs for the premiership campaign. But now he has to invest all that physical / mental stress into another difficult fixture among their toughest list of games yet.
2-0 is a difficult scoreline, its nearly over but not fully over. Would have made Wenger’s selection a lot simpler in the next leg if he knew there was zero chance – thus saving legs for the premiership campaign. But now he has to invest all that physical / mental stress into another difficult fixture among their toughest list of games yet.
I don't think Bayern will be as complacent as they were last season in the return leg, this could get even uglier for Arsenal.
Milan were good in the first half, Courtois made a wonderful save. In the 2nd Atletico took control. 2nd leg they will probably play Villa and possibly Diego. I was actually impressed with Taraabt last night, though his ability was never really in doubt. Such a skillful player. Atletico have been superb at home so can't see Milan getting much there. Apparently last night was the best Milan have played in ages, and they weren't that good.
Some in the media seem to be of this opinion as well, when it was 11v11 we were the better side. Got some raw luck with Gibbs going off and the ref should sent their player off. I would of been happy with both players getting a yellow but if he sends our guy off than Boatang has to go as well.
As for Ozil being off side, his legs seems to be ahead but their arms seem to be more level. If you really want to be pedantic the frame above needs to be pulled back slightly but noway the human eye can see this. Probably inches in it and that frame is from an angle rather than straight on.
They had 66% possession against 11 man Manchester City at their stadium......
You could sense Monreal looked well off the pace of the game from the moment he came on.
I've heard that a lot but I don't agree at all.
Arsenal got the better of all the exchanges in the opening 10 minutes or so but - once Ozil missed that pen - Bayern grew into the game, started to pin you back, dominate possession and create chances. When Gibbs went off, they started having all sorts of joy down your left flank. The penalty/red card was a direct result of that building pressure. It didn't happen against the run of play.
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