U21 Euro Championships 2015

Clear what the swedish plan is; leave possession to England, stay solid in defense and play direct counters. Also, kudos to the fans that have made the journey.
 
Thats because they know how to play possession football,anyway dunno why but lose my shit when i see formation with 2 DMCs.
Team A keeps the ball and creates nothing, Team B keeps the ball and creates nothing. Only one of the teams knows how to play possession football though...
 
Is there no better manager than Southgate? I think that´s England biggest problem. He´s a bit better than Pearce but not by much.
 
Is there no better manager than Southgate? I think that´s England biggest problem. He´s a bit better than Pearce but not by much.
He's been bloody brilliant up until 1 game ago but yeah, now he's shit...
 
It's all ingrained in the English mentality. As soon as an opposition presses the centre back's or keeper, by default it's a long hoof. How many generations will it take to resolve this?

That no longer happens at senior level, contrary to the much-pedalled myth.
 
He's been bloody brilliant up until 1 game ago but yeah, now he's shit...

Bloody brilliant? Cmon he done alright but being bloody brilliant is streching it a bit. But i guess with underachieving English teams perhaps it can be considered brilliant.
 
Team A keeps the ball and creates nothing, Team B keeps the ball and creates nothing. Only one of the teams knows how to play possession football though...

Ehm yea,creation is not only segment on which you judge possession football of some team,nor team A and team B having same way while they play possesion football. The fact that both teams didnt create a single thing,does not mean they copy/paste possession football of each other.
 
They don't know how to play possession football, and that's the issue.

Example. England have ball in own half, down the left side. Sweden have over-loaded that side with players and Garbutt forces the play down there and it is inevitably lost, instead of switching it back to the right and exploit Sweden over-exposing the other side....

I fear England are a result of the coaches they employ. There's no progression if the coaches don't have a progression in their approach to the game.
 
Would better managers want to manage an u21 side?

Perhaps you are right. I don´t really have a positive image of english managers but i thought there would be more choices rather than Southgate who never did anything as a manager. Even our manager Rui Jorge (who was criticized for being too inexperienced) had a good stint at Belenenses.
 
Ehm yea,creation is not only segment on which you judge possession football of some team,nor team A and team B having same way while they play possesion football. The fact that both teams didnt create a single thing,does not mean they copy/paste possession football of each other.
What's the difference, what makes one way proper and the other way not? Please enlighten me.
 
That no longer happens at senior level, contrary to the much-pedalled myth.

Yes, but U-21's represents more the general development of English football since many (most?) of these players will never see an England first-team cap, whereas, the full England team represents the most technical that we have, which would explain the different in technical and mental approach to the game.

The best way to see how English football is doing, generally, is to look at the widest variety of talents representing different levels.
 
Yes, but U-21's represents more the general development of English football since many (most?) of these players will never see an England first-team cap, whereas, the full England team represents the most technical that we have, which would explain the different in technical and mental approach to the game.

The best way to see how English football is doing, generally, is to look at the widest variety of talents representing different levels.

I don't think there's a lot to it other than the fact our centre half's are not very good. If at full strength, we could be playing both Stones and Jones at the heart of the defence, both of which would confidently use the ball at this level.
 
I don't think there's a lot to it other than the fact our centre half's are not very good. If at full strength, we could be playing both Stones and Jones at the heart of the defence, both of which would confidently use the ball at this level.

Against Portugal the problem was actually the midfield. Is England missing players? It was pretty poor.
 
Bloody brilliant? Cmon he done alright but being bloody brilliant is streching it a bit. But i guess with underachieving English teams perhaps it can be considered brilliant.
He qualified for the finals (when the likes of Spain and Holland hadn't) playing attacking, attractive football. In the mean time his team beat Germany, Portugal and Croatia twice, losing only once during the whole qualifying campaign, only Portugal could better that. What specifically has he failed to acheive exactly?
 
You Brits love to moan and complain don't you? :lol:

Well i think they have the right after decades of having very strong teams on paper and still underachieving.
 
What's the difference, what makes one way proper and the other way not? Please enlighten me.

What way proper or not,they dont do basics(which makes them look like they dont know how to play possession football),like movement when you have possession and reaction after you lose ball and so on. Its like our possession in the start of the season,or when Rooney do his sideway cross pass,like its good thing for possession football.

Edit: Oh and yea,who on earth thinks that Southgate is bloody brilliant.
 
He qualified for the finals (when the likes of Spain and Holland hadn't) playing attacking, attractive football. In the mean time his team beat Germany, Portugal and Croatia twice, losing only once during the whole qualifying campaign, only Portugal could better that. What specifically has he failed to acheive exactly?

I´m sorry being bloody brilliant is someone like Lopetegui who qualified to and WON competitions. Qualifying to tournaments for a team like England, in the group they played, shouldn´t be a big deal. Rui Jorge won our group but it can´t be classed as bloody brilliant because we had freakin Norway and Israel in it. They only did their obligation. Not qualifying from groups like the portuguese and english would be a complete failure. And i look at friendlies with some perspective. I know it´s good to win but to repeat it when it matters in official competitions, is another thing. But i guess we have diferent expectations.
 
Against Portugal the problem was actually the midfield. Is England missing players? It was pretty poor.

I don't think so. It's fair to say we miss a lot of the senior squad at this level. In an ideal world we'd have both Wilshere and Barkley playing in midfield for us. Given we can't use them I think we do quite well.

There is a real dearth of defensive midfield talent, mind you.
 
Garbutt must be having a laugh over this contract. Lucky to be at Everton. Terrible so far this tournament.

Those two CB's are simply garbage.

Jenkinson has played well.
 
What way proper or not,they dont do basics(which makes them look like they dont know how to play possession football),like movement when you have possession and reaction after you lose ball and so on. Its like our possession in the start of the season,or when Rooney do his sideway cross pass,like its good thing for possession football.

Edit: Oh and yea,who on earth thinks that Southgate is bloody brilliant.
So basically, you haven't got a clue, gotcha.

With the U21s he has been. It's become abundantly clear you and Sly have watched buggar all of the U21s, and have based you're entire opinion of it based on the Portugal game. Please tell me what more he could have achieved thus far with the U21s, I'll like to know.
 
I don't think so. It's fair to say we miss a lot of the senior squad at this level. In an ideal world we'd have both Wilshere and Barkley playing in midfield for us. Given we can't use them I think we do quite well.

There is a real dearth of defensive midfield talent, mind you.

Southgate should throw Cheeky on, he has pace and is 6ft 4. He can't be worse than what we have on. Southgate is loyal to his players though.