He's doing something right then. He must leave his brain and talent behind when he returns to England.
U21 Euro Championships 2015
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He's doing something right then. He must leave his brain and talent behind when he returns to England.
Eh no. Only ones were Esgaio for Sporting B and Ricardo Pereira for Porto B. Esgaio did get called up and played for our main team at Stamford Bridge for the Champions League. Then he was loaned to a top flight club in the second half of the season. Ricardo also had some stints in Porto´s main team.
I don´t think this is one of the best generations in portuguese football but this team has some decent talents. Doesn´t surprise me that you never heard of some portuguese players. People prefer to watch the top leagues. But that doesn´t mean that there isn´t quality in second tier leagues. For instance, although you haven´t heard about most of the portuguese, they have played in the best competitions in Europe or youth rank levels either with their clubs or our national team. Bernardo Silva, William Carvalho, João Mário and Paulo Oliveira have played in the Champions League. And not just sporadic appearences. They are integral part of their teams. Carvalho has been to a World Cup and played for example a crucial part in the last senior match between Portugal and Armenia after Tiago was sent off. Tiago Ilori hasn´t been able of playing for Liverpool but he has played very well for Granada (specially against Barcelona) and Bordeaux. He has more potencial than Dier for example. Dunno if he will fulfill it but he was way more impressive than Dier here. Raphael Guerreiro is one of the best left backs in France and is attracting interest from PSG and is already a portuguese internacional at senior level. Rúben Neves is highly rated at Porto and considered a first team player there. Ivan Cavaleiro plays for Deportivo in Spain. Our team certainly impresses me more than the english team besides Kane and Beharino (or wth is spelled). To be fair the win didn´t surprise me even if i don´t particulary rate our team. We have a good historial against England. Having said that, i think our game against Italy will be harder since we have a dreadful record against the Italians (we did beat them on senior level this week though
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Well according to German hype machine this squad is more talented than the ridiculous 2009 U21 squad that featured Ozil, Khedira, Hummels, Howedes, Neuer, Boateng, Schmelzer, Castro, Aogo, Beck and Marin. Additionally Johnson, Dejagah and Boenisch ended up playing for the USA, Iran and Poland at senior level. Johnson is a huge loss. Stupid Klinsmann. He would be the starting RB for Germany now.
There is not one player on the current squad that would have started on the 2009 team.
I agree Can and Ter Stegen are the standouts. The tactics were also piss-poor. No movement in midfield and a huge hole in the middle of the field the whole game. No HT adjustment. Once the lazy out of form elements were taken out of the game it got slightly better.
Well to be fair this could theoretically be a squad full of hugely talented players (stealing from first team and the u20 and u19 teams too though)
GK: Ter Stegen, Leno, Horn, Karius
CB: Mustafi, Rüdiger, Knoche, Ginter, Süle, A.Hoffmann
FB: Durm, Korb, Günter, Schulz
CM: Goretzka, Can, Geis, Kimmich (Leitner)
AM: Meyer, Arnold, Malli, Stendera (Öztunali)
WF: Götze, Draxler, Bittencourt, Brandt, Sané, J.Hofmann (Gnabry)
CF: Volland, Selke, Werner (Kachunga)
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Ter Stegen
Korb Mustafi Rüdiger Durm
Goretzka Can
Götze Meyer Draxler
Volland
bench: Leno, Horn --- Knoche, Ginter --- Günter --- Geis --- Arnold, Stendera --- Brandt, Bittencourt, Sané ---Selke
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missing out on squad: Karius, Süle, Hoffmann, Heintz, Schulz, Kimmich, Leitner, Demirbay, Malli, Younes, Öztunali, Hofmann, Gnabry, Klaus, Werner, Kachunga, Hofmann
Ter Stegen
Korb Mustafi Rüdiger Durm
Goretzka Can
Götze Meyer Draxler
Volland
bench: Leno, Horn --- Knoche, Ginter --- Günter --- Geis --- Arnold, Stendera --- Brandt, Bittencourt, Sané ---Selke
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missing out on squad: Karius, Süle, Hoffmann, Heintz, Schulz, Kimmich, Leitner, Demirbay, Malli, Younes, Öztunali, Hofmann, Gnabry, Klaus, Werner, Kachunga, Hofmann
Same old England - new generation, same disappointment
Was good at the world cup tbf
Disappointing start for England, Stones was a miss in defense but I think Southgate got his selection wrong and his first substitution wrong. Once it became obvious how difficult we were finding it physically against Carvalho he needed to drop Kane in and bring Ings on, he also waited too long to make the Pritchard for Lingard switch.
Portugal were good though, their movement was much better than ours and their build up play was slick.
@Sly How highly thought of his Bernardo Silva in Portugal? I also liked the captain Sergio, the commentator said he was expected back at Porto for next season.
Portugal were good though, their movement was much better than ours and their build up play was slick.
@Sly How highly thought of his Bernardo Silva in Portugal? I also liked the captain Sergio, the commentator said he was expected back at Porto for next season.
Lingard should've stayed on. Whoever was playing off of Kane should've been off immediately.
Who does that Gibson play for?
Also heard the right back for Portugal scored 33 goals in the Portuguese second division, how on earth did he do that?
Also heard the right back for Portugal scored 33 goals in the Portuguese second division, how on earth did he do that?
Who does that Gibson play for?
Also heard the right back for Portugal scored 33 goals in the Portuguese second division, how on earth did he do that?
Apparently he takes penalties but even so that is a crazy tally for a RB.
Who does that Gibson play for?
Also heard the right back for Portugal scored 33 goals in the Portuguese second division, how on earth did he do that?
Boro.
Also heard the right back for Portugal scored 33 goals in the Portuguese second division, how on earth did he do that?
It's his total over 2 seasons:
2013/4 - 39 Games, 16 Goals of which 7 were penalties
2012/3 - 27 Games, 17 Goals of which 9 were penalties
Honestly, if roles were reversed yesterday you'd have the same doomsayers claiming how lucky England were to escape with a win. There was a period in the second half for about 15/20 minutes where Portugal dominated the ball, outside of that England created much the better chances and deserved at least a point out of the game. Even Portugal's goal was a huge slice of luck and came when England were in control of proceedings.
I didn´t rate him very highly to be fair. He was stuck in Benfica B team and didn´t have many chances in the main team. Some Benfica fans i know, who knew him from the youth ranks rated him though. He was also rated by Chalana a former Benfica and Portugal national team glory, who used to call him Seixal´s (Silva´s hometown) Messi. I think plenty of people were surprised by his evolution at Mónaco. Leonardo Jardim (our former manager) has a pretty good track record in developing players (as seen with Carvalho and even Rojo who had been average before Jardim took over Sporting) and is doing a great job so far with him. Curious to see how he will do next season, he is a very interesting prospect in a position we certainly lack in our main national team.
Sérgio Oliveira is a Porto youth ranks product, who was at Paços de Ferreira in the last seasons. He did very well for them in the last two seasons. He is a regular feature in Portugal´s youth ranks (u20,u21 etc). He´s back at Porto next season like you said but i´m skeptical he will have a chance with them. It will depend on Porto´s purchases and his performance in pre season.
Also heard the right back for Portugal scored 33 goals in the Portuguese second division, how on earth did he do that?
Oh yeah Esgaio for Sporting B. Alot of penalties, some free kicks and he has played plenty of games as RW. He can confortably play in both positions.
I've decided I'll be watching this now, as I have feck all to do the next few days. When is the next game?
Edit: And they're having a break today. I got all excited.
Edit: And they're having a break today. I got all excited.
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@Sly we didn't even realise our (i.e. LFC's) very own Tiago Ilori would be playing yesterday. How's he being received in Portugal?
Thanks for the info Sly. Bernardo Silva seemed to suddenly turn a corner in the second half of last season and I actually thought he was older than he was. Do you see him playing that false 9 role in the senior team? as he's not really a #9 and actually seems to thrive from the right side of the attack at Moncao. I think he might end up like Thiago and Isco at the last U21 Euros.
Ah I see, so Sergio is not tipped to progress to the top like Carvalho, Neves and Jao Mario?
Tiago Ilori is a highly rated player in Portugal. People are following his evolution closely. He will certainly have a future in our national team if he evolves well and settles at a club. Our current options are all over 30 years of age. Ricardo Carvalho (almost a grandfather
), Pepe with 32, Bruno Alves with 33 and Fonte also in his thirties will obviously need replacement. Ilori with his caractheristics, tall, strong in the aerial game, very pacy (holds Sporting´s academy record for quickest player) and good positional sense looks like the ideal future reference of our defence. I think he made the wrong decision to leave Sporting after just half a season but the club after seeing his posture in negotiations didn´t make a real effort to keep him. He should have stayed, continue playing for us, evolving by playing in the Champions League and benefiting from being coached by Leonardo Jardim who had a very positive effect on various Sporting players. But he choose to leave and at the time, it was obvious to me that having a chance in a very competitive Liverpool team would be very hard. I know that his loan stint at Granada was very positive and the club wanted to keep him but at Bordeaux i didn´t follow his career, so i have no idea how he has performed or evolved there. I don´t know what are Liverpool´s plans but he should pick a club where he can play, get experience and evolve.
Him and Paulo Oliveira (new Ricardo Carvalho) will probably be the choices for our national team and they need to play to grow as players. Paulo Oliveira is doing so and was an integral part in our team who won the cup and did decently in the Champions League. Hope Ilori follows the same path.
Bernardo Silva can play as a 10 (like Rui Costa), behind the striker and in the flanks. He can play any position in the offensive midfield with reasonable efficiency. That´s my assessment and also the opinion of his former Benfica youth rank coaches. Leonardo Jardim will play a crucial role in picking a role for him but his versatility makes him a valid choice for many positions in the midfield. You comparison with Isco is very apt, just yesterday i heard a pundit on portuguese television saying the same.
Sérgio Oliveira is an interesting player but i don´t think he has the same potencial as the ones you mentioned. Like i said, it will be extremely hard for him to crack into Porto´s team. Porto also brought André André (yes, this is really his name), who had a better season than him and there are some questions marks if he has what it takes to grab a spot on Porto´s team. Porto´s midfield is very competitive and i suspect that after the pre season Porto will loan either him or André André. Rúben Neves has the advantage of playing one season under Lopetegui and being favoured by him. Also rumours that Porto will buy Danilo from Marítimo, so he will face strong competitions in Porto´s squad. He has potencial but i don´t think he´s not one of those players that you look and instantly think that he will become a big club player.
Tiago Ilori is a highly rated player in Portugal. People are following his evolution closely. He will certainly have a future in our national team if he evolves well and settles at a club. Our current options are all over 30 years of age. Ricardo Carvalho (almost a grandfather
Ilori with his caractheristics, tall, strong in the aerial game, very pacy (holds Sporting´s academy record for quickest player) and good positional sense looks like the ideal future reference of our defence. I think he made the wrong decision to leave Sporting after just half a season but the club after seeing his posture in negotiations didn´t make a real effort to keep him. He should have stayed, continue playing for us, evolving by playing in the Champions League and benefiting from being coached by Leonardo Jardim who had a very positive effect on various Sporting players. But he choose to leave and at the time, it was obvious to me that having a chance in a very competitive Liverpool team would be very hard. I know that his loan stint at Granada was very positive and the club wanted to keep him but at Bordeaux i didn´t follow his career, so i have no idea how he has performed or evolved there. I don´t know what are Liverpool´s plans but he should pick a club where he can play, get experience and evolve.
Him and Paulo Oliveira (new Ricardo Carvalho) will probably be the choices for our national team and they need to play to grow as players. Paulo Oliveira is doing so and was an integral part in our team who won the cup and did decently in the Champions League. Hope Ilori follows the same path.
Thanks, for what its worth I agree. I think LFC is the wrong club for him, I just hope we give him a chance next season but with Rodgers career at stake I can't see him risking Ilori. Personally I'd put him ahead of Toure and Lovren even with no experience but then I'm not the one facing the chop.
Just highlights the difference between the leagues, i dont fully understand how Korb can play though given hes 23? Why not let the u21s be under 21? Weird tournament.
What do you want, the players from qualifiers to be not allowed to play because they are no longer 21 or for the players to be u19 at the start of qualifiers? Its not hard to understand, you have to be u21 for start of qualifiers, it is how all youth football works.
Looking at how Monaco are set up I think he'll play off the right with a lot of freedom but for Portugal I imagine it will be more central as you don't seem to be producing any #9's right now. The commentator mentioned his idol was Rui Costa, if he can emulate him he'll become a hell of a player. Along with Fekir I think he's the one to watch in Ligue 1 next season.
It's interesting that he seems less fancied to be a top player long term but is currently the U21 captain. I have only seen him in that one game but he struck my as the type of CM that isn't spectacular at any one aspect of the role but a smart and efficient all round midfielder, however in the modern game where midfield is more and more divided into specific roles that may be to his detriment.
2-0 Czech
1st half must be worst i ever seen by Serbia outside seniors.Cz could score 28 till now but not much to expect from coward manager.
Serbia were terrible first half with the Czechs being very good. Would be surprised if it's the same this half.
3:0 Who ever was that CB stepping up and following player till DMC position...Edit: 4:0 think they are ready for seniors,bet coach will be national coach one day too.
I wasn't expecting that from the Czech's, they were rampant, the #9 Klimet had a superb game as did the RB again.
Højbjerg and Fischer on the bench for Denmark.
crazy good performance by the Czechs.
Lets see what Germany Denmark has to offer now.
Lets see what Germany Denmark has to offer now.
how I love Kevin Volland.
aside of that Denmark has been better so far
aside of that Denmark has been better so far
The danish CBs are doing a good job. But germany will score soon.
Kevin Volland!!!
Still mad he wasn't in the World Cup squad.
This had been coming in the last minutes.
Still mad he wasn't in the World Cup squad.
This had been coming in the last minutes.
Ha! was quick.
Excellent through ball from Can.
1-0 Volland
Germany gradually took over the half and started bossing it, Volland is a really interesting prospect although nearly 23. Bittencourt has been disappointing, as has Meyer, but Youner, Can and Kimmich had played well.
Maybe Hoijberg can find the energy to help his team in the second half as they miss his quality linking the midfield and attack.
Maybe Hoijberg can find the energy to help his team in the second half as they miss his quality linking the midfield and attack.
Have I mentioned yet how much I love Kevin Volland?
2-0 game over
3-0 Ginter