What does that even mean? Are they going to compile an exhaustive list of what's appropriate for males and females?
I'd like all men to start showing up in kilts and kaftans.
Transgender rights discussion
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) look forward to a new life under Ruben Amorim. What system will we be playing? What players will impress? and how will it all go? We also say goodbye to Ruud Van Nistelrooy and review United's 3-0 win at home against Leicester City.
What does that even mean? Are they going to compile an exhaustive list of what's appropriate for males and females?
I'd like all men to start showing up in kilts and kaftans.
No doubt there will be some inverse 'I know it when I see it' logic taking place in HR.
I didn't respond to your comment because I felt it was an aggressive, strawman challenge to my rather tame comment.
I would still prioritize the mental well being of students. If it makes life harder for a scout, then that's a small price to pay.
But why would the fact one of the members of that basketball team is transgender influence the chances of another athlete to make it pro? I don't see the connection, but even if there's some theoretical issue, personally I would prioritize the kids and not the eventual pro teams looking for future players.
It's not though. The basis for all of these laws is the same sort of argument you are making, that a flood of boys are going to become "trans" just so they can dominate girls sports and therefore deprive deserving girls athletic opportunities. My question was challenging that notion. If trans athletes in HS are really a threat to cis girl athletes getting recognized by college scouts it should not be a challenge to identify those cases.
Folk who have taken 10+ years just to be considered base level qualified in their field versus someone who uses shit analogies... Tough one...
Short skirts for girls and top hats with codpieces for the boys, then.
Oh just feck right off…
To be fair they can't have anyone who might arguably have sympathy directed towards transgender people being involved in this debate. It's best to remain impartial and quote the words of Jebus and how being transgender is a sin, or some shite like that.
I just can't get over someone rather their child kill themselves than have gender-affirming care. It sickens me when people allow bigotry to overide love when it comes to family, especially their own kids.
It's not bigotry that's ruling their minds, it's believing in a fairy tale.
It’s even more basic than that. It’s not truly about religion, it’s about a lack of empathy and compassion. Religion is what they use to justify and excuse their rotten core. I have know truly awful and bigoted Christian’s and equally awful and bigoted atheists. It’s the human who is the problem, not their excuse.
Thanks for drilling down, you are spot on.
Montana Governor Signs Gender-Affirming Care Ban Despite Nonbinary Son's Pleas
It is hard enough being LGBT in these red states especially, with relentless culture war attacks and laws aimed at them. Being demonized and having your identity challenged and attacked even as the individual struggles to realize who they are themselves. Then you have the people that should be there to help you figure it all out, your own parents actively coming after you with punitive draconian laws. I mean his own father is the governor and he begged him to veto it. These people are disgusting, when they would rather see their children suffer and be maligned and made out to be some "grooming" , potential bathroom stalkers or whatever their silly narrative is to just attack LGBT.
Trans issues are getting the highlight right now. But, these people have made no secret that they will circle back on punitive attempts on all LGBT if allowed.
It is hard enough being LGBT in these red states especially, with relentless culture war attacks and laws aimed at them. Being demonized and having your identity challenged and attacked even as the individual struggles to realize who they are themselves. Then you have the people that should be there to help you figure it all out, your own parents actively coming after you with punitive draconian laws. I mean his own father is the governor and he begged him to veto it. These people are disgusting, when they would rather see their children suffer and be maligned and made out to be some "grooming" , potential bathroom stalkers or whatever their silly narrative is to just attack LGBT.
Trans issues are getting the highlight right now. But, these people have made no secret that they will circle back on punitive attempts on all LGBT if allowed.
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Yep, they are focused on the ‘T’ right now, but they are learning vis à vis how to attack the trans community successfully & none of the letters of the acronym will be safe.
The conservative movement has fully turned to a platform of cruelty and hate. There is no longer any pretense of just or inclusive governing. They gain and retain power by leaning into a rage cycle that must be constantly fed new victims so that their voters remain loyal and engaged. They have been trained that the ills in their life cannot be fixed, but that at least they can punish those who they are told are the "cause" of those ills. I look back on my early 20's when I thought the conservative mindset was right and proper and I am disgusted with myself. What a petty and cruel person I was and still could be had I not left my little Catholic, conservative bubble and moved across the country.
There are large swaths of this country which are worthless & inhabited by mainly worthless people…
This cat's a national treasure...
he was good during the bush years and his show along with the colbert report were doing something which no other media outlet did at the time. he has a lot of goodwill amongst the public from those days. he is a good interviewer and does a decent job pointing out the problems but offers nothing in terms of solutions. he’s better than most liberal media figures but still a liberal at the end of the day.
This is a text book example for no matter how much one might want to debate with the left, there comes the right to make themselves look untenable.
Why is it his job to provide solutions? His job is to hold people who say they have the solutions, to account. To say, “what you claim, doesn’t work, you need to come back with something better”.
how exactly is he holding them accountable? most of these interviews are just political theatre and lead to absolutely nothing. pointing out the hypocrisy of the right or playing this gotcha game with them only leads to legitimize their position further and does nothing in terms of stopping the hatful rhetoric they spread everyday. it is also a such a stupid and naive way of looking at politics. I think it can be more useful use of his platform to discuss solutions. but that would require him to stop being a liberal.
So, in your view, which segment of the political spectrum is best equipped to both hold those who are anti-trans to account & deliver solutions for them?
I think it’s a bit too late for that because liberals had the chance to stand up for trans people when the issue was becoming a major political debate. now a lot of states have passed anti-trans legislation and ensured trans people get little or no legal protection. we can argue endlessly and have multiple gotcha interviews but that would mean nothing to someone living in these states where identifying as trans is punishable by law.
Appreciate the reply, but my question wasn't really answered. Unless you mean that the problem is too far gone for any segment of the political left to even attempt it a solution?
yes, it is too far gone. for the left to tackle the issue would require liberals to come to terms with their own anti-trans views which have enabled the anti-trans rhetoric from the right to flourish, which is something that’ll never happen.
Ever the cheery nihilist, you are.
this is kinda the reason why I didn’t answer your question earlier. besides the fact that the question was mostly an imaginary scenario that would never actually happen. liberals love doing this schtick after all the damage is done, “so what do you suggest” or “you’re so cynical” when all along the solution was right in front of them and they were happy to ignore it, which was to listen to trans people.
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You rarely seem to answer questions posed to you. The question was rather straightforward as to who you feel could best champion the trans cause if liberals couldn’t. You tend to bloviate in your replies to a direct question.
Where do you see yourself on the political spectrum?
I did answer your question. I think you are better off asking yourself what asking this question is supposed to achieve and why does it always strike me to ask this question after the damage is done.
Nah, you responded, but didn’t answer. There’s a difference.
So, about that location on the political spectrum again?
Christ, I thought you were joking about that, hence my pithy reply. I was referring to your non-answer on what segment of left politics would be the ones to come up with solutions.
That’s surreal that you think it’s too far gone. Genuinely gobsmacked that you would think such.
What’s that location then?
That’s surreal that you think it’s too far gone. Genuinely gobsmacked that you would think such.
What’s that location then?
why would I joke about something so horrendous? you yourself have posted multiple tweets regarding anti-trans legislation being passed every other week. it's kinda incredible that you think it isn't far too gone yet.