Anecdotal of course but the two people I know who have had gender affirming surgery are happy, engaging and doing great things with their lives.
Transgender rights discussion
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Anecdotal of course but the two people I know who have had gender affirming surgery are happy, engaging and doing great things with their lives.
My nephew is the same. An utterly miserable teenager but now a very happy adult.
This whole Trans thing is an issue blown massively out of proportion and its being used as a tool to whip up the ignorant and the moronic into a frenzy. Over here in NZ we had some Pro Women rallies this weekend that were organised and run by white power nut jobs and similar dickheads.
Well designed study that shows what you would want/expect to see. Exposing anyone to potentially life risking surgery without positive outcomes like this would be an absolute disaster.
Slightly surprised to see it described as “the first large-scale, controlled study to demonstrate an association between gender-affirming surgery and improved mental health outcomes” Which would imply that before these data were published people were being referred for life changing surgery in the absence of robust evidence that it would help them. Which seems a bit mad. Surely that claim can’t be right?
No, because that's just feeding into a delusion of something that is physically and fundamentally not possible - the idea that a man can become a woman and vice versa. Men and women are genetically built different and it's not something you can change by simply performing a sex change operation or injecting hormones into yourself.
Ask yourself this - 10 years ago trans people were mostly non-existent. Then the media and governments started promoting that being trans is normal, okay, encouraging it. People these days turn their children, people who have no idea what planet they are on, let alone make decisions on something life altering such as this, that they are born in the wrong gender.
It is a form of mental illness though, you just have a preconception of thinking that mental illness equals something "bad" and "evil" which is not the case. I already said, depression is a form of mental illness, as well. Many today suffer from it for variety of reasons. That doesn't make them clinically insane like you're trying to paint me as saying it.
You say that young trans people have high rates of suicide because of being bullied and such, but I have a different thought on the matter. Maybe because young people got the wrong idea on why they are hurting and thought that by transitioning it will fix it, but instead they figure out that it just made it worse? Yes, people kill themselves from bullying, but it's a rare phenomenon. When it comes to 80% having suicide thoughts before or after the transition, don't you think that there is something wrong with that figure already from the get-go and maybe encouraging this behavior isn't helpful or fruitful to these people? There are many studies that showcase that trans people that transition don't become happy, if anything it just makes their underlying condition even worse. And of course, there are people on who the transition has had the opposite effect, sure, but we're talking in general terms here.
Also, I'm not a proponent of pills when it comes to mental health cases at all. I find them to just mask the condition rather than fixing it and in many cases, way down the road, it makes it even worse. Intense long therapy and cutting off media, school and government promotion is my thinking. And after that, if that person wants to transition, fine. But they have to be made fully aware of the consequences and that there is no turning back from that decision. Even if you haven't made it into the final stage of the sex transition, injecting hormones such as testosterone or estrogen into yourself is life-altering in itself.
Mind and body are part of the same being. You're saying that there is something misaligned with their body, but how do you even know that? We are born how we are, that's it. There is nothing wrong with any of our bodies. When you start thinking there is something wrong with your body, don't you think that's a little problem? Gender dysphoria is an actual mental illness and trans is only not judged as such because it wouldn't be politically correct, just like the term 'dysphoria' is actually a substitute for 'disorder'
But not pills. They just mask their condition, after all.Jesus Christ. You need help, man.
I also like the idea that we’re born with our bodies so nothing can be wrong with them. No more medication or surgery necessary for those born with heart issues and the like.
Well if you want to write an article presenting different view points, you need to seek that out. Now the issue is that whether this is an issue where you should pay heed to both sides of argument or not. I don't see anything wrong with presenting view points from any doctors who might have some misgivings given it is provided in the context of whether their viewpoint is a minority or majority one for people in their profession / position.
I was just about to post the same thing. What the feck did I just read? :
Ah yes, because thinking you're born the wrong gender is absolutely the same as having a heart defect or issues that are life threatening. Totally the same. Some of you guys' mental gymnastics are unreal.But not pills. They just mask their condition, after all.
I also like the idea that we’re born with our bodies so nothing can be wrong with them. No more medication or surgery necessary for those born with heart issues and the like.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_history
What changed in the last 10 years is that the conservative right realized being anti-gay was a lost cause, so they picked a different group to demonize.
I think @Sviken is on to something here.
Up until 1920 you didn't see women voting in the US and then along came the media and boom, now they all wanted out of the kitchen and "rights". Same with interracial marriage, no one wanted to mix it up until the liberal commy media got all uppity about laws prohibiting it and then bam, now there are "happy" interracial couples everywhere. And don't get me started with gay people. Like @Sviken said, people are born only man or women so that women, who should still be barefoot in the kitchen, can pump out babies. Anything else is wrong and only appeared a few decades ago because the media said it was cool to be gay.
Up until 1920 you didn't see women voting in the US and then along came the media and boom, now they all wanted out of the kitchen and "rights". Same with interracial marriage, no one wanted to mix it up until the liberal commy media got all uppity about laws prohibiting it and then bam, now there are "happy" interracial couples everywhere. And don't get me started with gay people. Like @Sviken said, people are born only man or women so that women, who should still be barefoot in the kitchen, can pump out babies. Anything else is wrong and only appeared a few decades ago because the media said it was cool to be gay.
You’re born with it so just accept it and die. That’s your logic. So at least have the balls (or get some) and stand by it.
I also believe we should make life miserable again for left handed people. Ever since we stopped beating the shut out of these satanic demons, they are everywhere. Shows you how the media and the woke left washed their brains and turned them left handed.
So, are you of the opinion that being trans is a choice?
I truly hope you don’t work in or have any connection to any field of mental health.
This is obviously incorrect, but that aside if you surveyed the number of gay people in Victorian England, you would find very few of them. Does that mean they didn't exist, or that they are created by media and governments?
if you want to know what doctors think about as a treatment, you'd ask doctors, especially doctors who face these patients every day.
if you want to know what doctors think about it as outsiders, you'd exclude the most relevant doctors.
if you want to know why doctors oppose it, you'd seek out one viewpoint among them especially.
it allows "some doctors say this, others say this", with no clarity on whether they actually face these patients or how representative their views are. the reporter himself clearly has a particular pov, there's a lot of his tweets and stuff in the replies.
it's from early 2021. based on a quick google, this meta-analysis of 13 articles is from 2019 and has a similar conclusion. According to this website, which I don't trust as much as a published paper, a review of 55 studies published before 2018 found that 51 of them reported similar conclusions. Not motivated enough to go through those and find what's unnique about the 2021 paper that they call it the "first".
Also found a few conservative websites (heritage, etc) that cite a Swedish study with the opposite conclusion - a big design difference that jumps out is that they compare surgically altered people with the general population, rather than people who couldn't get/didn't want surgery.
The first person I knew was a proffesional collegue who transitioned in 1996. She told me quite clearly that until she started reading Communist Monthly she was quite happy as a man.
Link’s broken for me.
NC latest law on trans in sport
There’s less than 15 transgender girls who actually signed up for NC sports last year. Infuriatingly bizarre how much effort & venom the right puts into these laws.
It's because all the right has now is cruelty and venom. There is no policy or platform that they stand for besides greed and cruelty.
I can understand trying to work out how professional sports should deal with this, but high school kids? Just let them play on whatever team they want.
High school sports are where a good deal of college scouting takes place.
On a high school rec team or some such I'd agree with you.
I think the mental well being of high school kids is much more important than the ridiculous "professionalization" of school sports.
I’m sure you should be able to point out dozens of instances where someone in HS lost a scholarship due to those evil trans ringers. Right?
Also, the scout would still be able to scout the other athletes, even if he decided to ignore the transgender ones.
Jesus fecking christ…
That's a fair point, although would the scout then need to have a list of the transgender athletes or something in order to identify that? Which seems like an invasion of those athletes privacy.
Another fair point and I hear you on the professionalization of school sports, but it's somewhat inevitable given the amount of attention we give to professional sports (as the prospects are scouted in high school and college). If you know that a 17 year old is so good at basketball that, when he turns 18, he will walk into a professional basketball contract paying him millions of dollars, I don't see how sports media and such can ignore high school sports (maybe they should ethically, but they're not going to in practice).
Still waiting on that list of examples of trans athletes stealing scholarships from cis athletes.
Wait what? Is Starmer now to the right of Fabricant on this issue? Bizzaro world.