Transgender rights discussion

entropy said:
why would I joke about something so horrendous? you yourself have posted multiple tweets regarding anti-trans legislation being passed every other week. it's kinda incredible that you think it isn't far too gone yet.
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It never goes too far to not to try to reverse it.

You claimed that liberals can’t / won’t do the heavy lifting after calling out someone for being anti-trans, but you won’t give who can. Hell, I apologize for thinking you made a quip to a somewhat sardonic question asked by me; you truly do seem to be a nihilist. We should all just give up then.
 
calodo2003 said:
It never goes too far to not to try to reverse it.
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Out of curiosity, how do you see that happening? Looking from the outside, I see one party doing whatever it takes to feck people over and the other side soft as feck. I don't see the democrats with 10% of the energy republicans put into these issues, so it's hard to see how it's going to get better.
 
calodo2003 said:
It never goes too far to not to try to reverse it.

You claimed that liberals can’t / won’t do the heavy lifting after calling out someone for being anti-trans, but you won’t give who can. Hell, I apologize for thinking you made a quip to a somewhat sardonic question asked by me; you truly do seem to be a nihilist. We should all just give up then.
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when and how do you see it happening?
 
maniak said:
Out of curiosity, how do you see that happening? Looking from the outside, I see one party doing whatever it takes to feck people over and the other side soft as feck. I don't see the democrats with 10% of the energy republicans put into these issues, so it's hard to see how it's going to get better.
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Might ultimately break down to states being pro / con LGBTQ rights due to political makeup of state legislatures, but people like Stewart are doing the issue a service by speaking truth to power & illuminating such. It will have to take hold at a more grassroots level, but similarities exist with the common sense gun control advocates who actually got their bill through committee this evening in Texas of all places. A element of critical mass will need to be reached in the struggle for gay rights like it hopefully reaching in the gun control saga & people like JS will be important in approaching that.

Now as for solutions, I’m not erudite enough to offer much in terms of specificity, but they will ultimately have to come from liberals.
 
Man abducted and sexually assaulted schoolgirl while dressed as woman

A man has admitted abducting a primary school girl while dressed as a woman before sexually assaulting her at his home in the Scottish Borders.
Andrew Miller, who is also known as Amy George, offered to give the girl a lift home in February of this year.
The 53-year-old instead drove her to his own house, took her into a bedroom and refused to let her leave.
He then subjected her to a series of sexual assaults over the course of the next 27 hours.

Man abducted and sexually assaulted schoolgirl while dressed as woman - BBC News

This is so f'd up.
 
The Corinthian said:
Man abducted and sexually assaulted schoolgirl while dressed as woman

A man has admitted abducting a primary school girl while dressed as a woman before sexually assaulting her at his home in the Scottish Borders.
Andrew Miller, who is also known as Amy George, offered to give the girl a lift home in February of this year.
The 53-year-old instead drove her to his own house, took her into a bedroom and refused to let her leave.
He then subjected her to a series of sexual assaults over the course of the next 27 hours.

Man abducted and sexually assaulted schoolgirl while dressed as woman - BBC News

This is so f'd up.
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A rapist is a rapist, regardless of sex or gender
 
The Corinthian said:
Man abducted and sexually assaulted schoolgirl while dressed as woman

A man has admitted abducting a primary school girl while dressed as a woman before sexually assaulting her at his home in the Scottish Borders.
Andrew Miller, who is also known as Amy George, offered to give the girl a lift home in February of this year.
The 53-year-old instead drove her to his own house, took her into a bedroom and refused to let her leave.
He then subjected her to a series of sexual assaults over the course of the next 27 hours.

Man abducted and sexually assaulted schoolgirl while dressed as woman - BBC News

This is so f'd up.
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Christ that's horrible.

Tell me, what does it have to do with transgender rights?
 
The Corinthian said:
Man abducted and sexually assaulted schoolgirl while dressed as woman

A man has admitted abducting a primary school girl while dressed as a woman before sexually assaulting her at his home in the Scottish Borders.
Andrew Miller, who is also known as Amy George, offered to give the girl a lift home in February of this year.
The 53-year-old instead drove her to his own house, took her into a bedroom and refused to let her leave.
He then subjected her to a series of sexual assaults over the course of the next 27 hours.

Man abducted and sexually assaulted schoolgirl while dressed as woman - BBC News

This is so f'd up.
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Dirty fecking beast!
 
BD said:
Christ that's horrible.

Tell me, what does it have to do with transgender rights?
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This is the only thread to my mind which is about transgender discussion on the board.
 
UnrelatedPsuedo said:
This has nothing to do with Transgender discussion
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BD said:
Ok so what does this add to the transgender discussion?
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It’s definitely a talking point around the whole issue. Also if you think I’ve done something wrong please feel free to report me or speak to a mod rather than moaning at me.
Ajr said:
He isnt transgender so it has nothing to do with this thread
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The court was told that Miller identifies as transgender and is in the process of transitioning to female. He was not known to his victim before he abducted her.
 
The Corinthian said:
It’s definitely a talking point around the whole issue. Also if you think I’ve done something wrong please feel free to report me or speak to a mod rather than moaning at me.
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So if I am dissecting this correctly, what you are saying is that this is relevant because there is a talking point, advanced by some, that trans people are more likely to commit abuse and therefore the issue of their access to rights should be debated?
 
Ajr said:
He isnt transgender so it has nothing to do with this thread
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Well it does mention that she is a trans woman.

Although using a few outliers to justify harsher treatment of an entire group is objectionable - just look at how Prevent has been used against the British Muslim community as a whole, justified by reference to a handful of persons who have committed terrible crimes.
 
WI_Red said:
So if I am dissecting this correctly, what you are saying is that this is relevant because there is a talking point, advanced by some, that trans people are more likely to commit abuse and therefore the issue of their access to rights should be debated?
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Nope. That’s not what I’m saying at all.

I posted it in this thread as this is the overall thread for trans related discussion. It was this thread that the Scottish rapist (now jailed) who now identifies as a woman was discussed in as well as a whole host of other trans related discussion.

In fact, this story specifically is what the right wing often cite as being the harm with transgendered people etc. hence it’s a relevant talking point for this thread.
 
Frosty said:
Well it does mention that she is a trans woman.

Although using a few outliers to justify harsher treatment of an entire group is objectionable - just look at how Prevent has been used against the British Muslim community as a whole, justified by reference to a handful of persons who have committed terrible crimes.
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I stand corrected then, I read the headline earlier on BBC "man dressed as woman'.
 
The Corinthian said:
It’s definitely a talking point around the whole issue. Also if you think I’ve done something wrong please feel free to report me or speak to a mod rather than moaning at me.

The court was told that Miller identifies as transgender and is in the process of transitioning to female. He was not known to his victim before he abducted her.
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I’m not going to report you before asking. Don’t be silly. You’re good.

My point is… ‘Human abducts human and sexually assaults her’… not a Transgender discussion.

Lumping it in there is akin to contributing to black on black violence narratives.

I could dress up as a woman and claim to be transgender and burgle a house or rob a bank and it wouldn’t be a transgender issue. Adding ‘Transgender man sexually assaults girl’ to this thread is regressive and irrelevant.

Let’s spot the nuance here. Reporting a Daily Mail phrased ‘Transgender female - born male’ sexually assaults woman’ has nothing to do with their sexual identity and EVERYTHING to do with them being a disgusting criminal.

You’ve done nothing wrong. I may well have done the same 10 years ago. Through no malice, just ignorance.

It’s really not relevant though, and really quite foul, however accidental.

Not a comment on your character, just the single action.
 
UnrelatedPsuedo said:
I’m not going to report you before asking. Don’t be silly. You’re good.

My point is… ‘Human abducts human and sexually assaults her’… not a Transgender discussion.

Lumping it in there is akin to contributing to black on black violence narratives.

I could dress up as a woman and claim to be transgender and burgle a house or rob a bank and it wouldn’t be a transgender issue. Adding ‘Transgender man sexually assaults girl’ to this thread is regressive and irrelevant.

Let’s spot the nuance here. Reporting a Daily Mail phrased ‘Transgender female - born male’ sexually assaults woman’ has nothing to do with their sexual identity and EVERYTHING to do with them being a disgusting criminal.

You’ve done nothing wrong. I may well have done the same 10 years ago. Through no malice, just ignorance.

It’s really not relevant though, and really quite foul, however accidental.

Not a comment on your character, just the single action.
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Here's what I said to another poster -

I posted it in this thread as this is the overall thread for trans related discussion. It was this thread that the Scottish rapist (now jailed) who now identifies as a woman was discussed in as well as a whole host of other trans related discussion.

In fact, this story specifically is what the right wing often cite as being the harm with transgendered people etc. hence it’s a relevant talking point for this thread.

So, in light of there not being another thread where we can lump in any / all news stories related to trans people, this thread will do. (And additionally, we don't have a general rapist thread although I still wouldn't post this in there).

Agree that this is 'adult abducts child and sexually assaults her' is the key takeaway - but the article shows that the girl trusted her/him because she presented as a woman.

The girl later told police she had been unable to get a bus home and so started to walk when she was approached "by a lady in a car" who offered to give her a lift.
She said she had accepted the offer and got into the Jaguar car because she was cold and believed the "lady" to be non-threatening.
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Furthermore, there's obviously some blurring of the lines by the rapist with regards to his/her gender and how they should be tried -

The court was told that Miller identifies as transgender and is in the process of transitioning to female. He was not known to his victim before he abducted her.
At the time of his arrest, he was presenting as Amy George but confirmed he wished to be addressed as Andrew Miller using "he" pronouns for simplicity.
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So taking this all into account, this is the thread to discuss. Also, the thread title was recently changed so there's elements in here that have nothing to do with transgender rights.
 
The Corinthian said:
Here's what I said to another poster -

I posted it in this thread as this is the overall thread for trans related discussion. It was this thread that the Scottish rapist (now jailed) who now identifies as a woman was discussed in as well as a whole host of other trans related discussion.

In fact, this story specifically is what the right wing often cite as being the harm with transgendered people etc. hence it’s a relevant talking point for this thread.

So, in light of there not being another thread where we can lump in any / all news stories related to trans people, this thread will do. (And additionally, we don't have a general rapist thread although I still wouldn't post this in there).

Agree that this is 'adult abducts child and sexually assaults her' is the key takeaway - but the article shows that the girl trusted her/him because she presented as a woman.



Furthermore, there's obviously some blurring of the lines by the rapist with regards to his/her gender and how they should be tried -



So taking this all into account, this is the thread to discuss. Also, the thread title was recently changed so there's elements in here that have nothing to do with transgender rights.
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Yeah, you’re wrong. Should have been a new thread. I’m sorry guy, I have you a little rope but best to add you to an ignore list going forward. Go well x
 
Maybe there should be a separate thread for rape and child abuse stories to keep them out of discussion like this.

This is a story about rape. However the rapist coerced the girl is part of the MO of the rape, not a transgender discussion.

For all we know, the outfit was specifically for the coercion, and the story and the name came after.

I would imagine there are far more CIS-male and -female child abuse and rape then there are trans.

In fact, the reason this is news is because its so rare.
 
Wing Attack Plan R said:
I think we need to figure out a way to saw through Florida and just cut the entire state adrift. Maybe tow it out to sea and sink it, create a fish habitat out of it.
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calodo2003 said:
Might be fake, but the replies are certainly not...

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The whole twitter blue tick fiasco means you should ignore replies to any tweet you see. It’s a heavily biased selection of utter douche bags who in no way reflect the vast majority of normal people on Twitter (and even bigger numbers of normal people who don’t use Twitter)
 
What does ‘based’ mean? I’ve seen it in a few other places on the forum.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I don’t think anyone ever used the word other than alt right dickheads online.
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I was called 'based' yesterday as a non-political compliment, but you're right that the word is associated to the alt right freaks.

'Based' & 'woke' were once used by Black rappers exclusively, interesting that they have been appropriated by the MAGA right & used ad nausem.
 
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