Transgender rights discussion

[Cheimoon]

Trump won me over when he talked about the Sex of humanity. Only two sex and that's male or female you're either that or you're mentally Ill.

Anyone who disagrees with that can get feck for all I care.

I know you've been ridiculed and laughed at a lot, and I acknowledge that that's grating and I would understand if you don't want to hear about this anymore. But if you're open to discussion about the subject, I would encourage you to read this article:

https://www.nature.com/articles/518288a

Nature is the world's leading scientific journal, along with Science (sorry, I can't help it, that's what these journals are called). So this is serious stuff, not some biased hack promoting their agenda. And you'll notice in the article that the subject of human sex is much more complex than just binary male/female. Apart from the rare cases of people being born with both or neither sets of genitals, there's a world of variety in people's biological setup.

Have a look and let me know what you think.

 

[Melbourne Red]

Saw this, and it's fecking horrific. Utterly dehumanising and it's going to devestate and demoralise trans people.

Sounds like the states might be powerless to stop it is heartbreaking.

 

[Cloud7]

Well the hopes of his term being benign have already quickly started going out the window

 

[amolbhatia50k]

I know you've been ridiculed and laughed at a lot, and I acknowledge that that's grating and I would understand if you don't want to hear about this anymore. But if you're open to discussion about the subject, I would encourage you to read this article:

https://www.nature.com/articles/518288a

Nature is the world's leading scientific journal, along with Science (sorry, I can't help it, that's what these journals are called). So this is serious stuff, not some biased hack promoting their agenda. And you'll notice in the article that the subject of human sex is much more complex than just binary male/female. Apart from the rare cases of people being born with both or neither sets of genitals, there's a world of variety in people's biological setup.

Have a look and let me know what you think.

Thank you for sharing this. As someone not from the US and where this is not really a topic of discussion, it’s very interesting to read about the science behind gender spectrum / fluidity. But I’ll admit that was a very technically read and there’s much more to learn.

Society generally takes decades to catch up with science anyway. The one area which I’m unsure of is transgender women competing in women’s sport and especially gender related surgery on children who are not able to consent. Otherwise, the RW noise on the topic is grating and hate fuelled and sadly it’s working on a lot of people and hindering progress.

 

[NotThatSoph]

Thank you for sharing this. As someone not from the US and where this is not really a topic of discussion, it’s very interesting to read about the science behind gender spectrum / fluidity. But I’ll admit that was a very technically read and there’s much more to learn.

Society generally takes decades to catch up with science anyway. The one area which I’m unsure of is transgender women competing in women’s sport and especially gender related surgery on children who are not able to consent. Otherwise, the RW noise on the topic is grating and hate fuelled and sadly it’s working on a lot of people and hindering progress.

Surgeries on minors are extremely rare, and will be almost exclusively mastectomies. Surgeries for breast implants on minors are much more common, of course.

 

[Suv666]

I know you've been ridiculed and laughed at a lot, and I acknowledge that that's grating and I would understand if you don't want to hear about this anymore. But if you're open to discussion about the subject, I would encourage you to read this article:

https://www.nature.com/articles/518288a

Nature is the world's leading scientific journal, along with Science (sorry, I can't help it, that's what these journals are called). So this is serious stuff, not some biased hack promoting their agenda. And you'll notice in the article that the subject of human sex is much more complex than just binary male/female. Apart from the rare cases of people being born with both or neither sets of genitals, there's a world of variety in people's biological setup.

Have a look and let me know what you think.

Thanks for posting this.
Do you have any book recommendation to delve deeper into the subject?
Maybe not academic textbooks but more pop science stuff

 

[Cheimoon]

Thanks for posting this.
Do you have any book recommendation to delve deeper into the subject?
Maybe not academic textbooks but more pop science stuff

I don't, sorry! It's not a topic I follow in particular, I just follow Nature a bit.

Thank you for sharing this. As someone not from the US and where this is not really a topic of discussion, it’s very interesting to read about the science behind gender spectrum / fluidity. But I’ll admit that was a very technically read and there’s much more to learn.

Society generally takes decades to catch up with science anyway. The one area which I’m unsure of is transgender women competing in women’s sport and especially gender related surgery on children who are not able to consent. Otherwise, the RW noise on the topic is grating and hate fuelled and sadly it’s working on a lot of people and hindering progress.

Yeah, Nature isn't always the most accessible stuff.

It's true about society being slow catching up, but learning the facts as we currently know them is one way to help. I won't go into the sports thing though, there's already a whole thread of controversy on that topic! And it anyway doesn't change the reality of the diversity in biological sex.

 

[KirkDuyt]

I just can't wrap my mind around being so hell bent on dehumanizing a group of people you're willing to pass legislature to prove it.

Fecking cnuts.

 

[Fully Fledged]

Whatever happened to libertarian Republicans? I thought they didn't believe in controlling someone else's life.

 

[Wibble]

Whatever happened to libertarian Republicans? I thought they didn't believe in controlling someone else's life.

I think that you will find that they very much want to control the life of everyone but object to any regulation of they don't agree with it. Hypocrites basically.

 

[moses]

Whatever happened to libertarian Republicans? I thought they didn't believe in controlling someone else's life.

Nobody actually believes that myth. They just don't want to pay tax. That's why America existed originally.

 

[KirkDuyt]

All men are created equal under God. As long as they're actually men. And white. And not gay. And rich. And American. And share our political beliefs.

 

[D. Grayson]

I just can't wrap my mind around being so hell bent on dehumanizing a group of people you're willing to pass legislature to prove it.

Fecking cnuts.

It's baffling that non-gender-conforming people have little impact on the lives of the hate-mongers, yet the latter go out of their way to be antagonistic.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

I just can't wrap my mind around being so hell bent on dehumanizing a group of people you're willing to pass legislature to prove it.

Fecking cnuts.

Easy, votes. They’re pure scum.

 

[Redplane]

Well the hopes of his term being benign have already quickly started going out the window

Anyone who thought this time will be different or better is an absolute fkin moron in my book. But I feel like I'm stuck on repeat. Just about any of these videos he's posted is psychotic if you have but a shred of critical thinking skills.

 

[Zehner]

This is a slippery slope towards a world where nothing matters anymore. If you don’t have the literal facts and logic then what’s the bloody point.

I'm not arguing that you shouldn't base your opinion on facts and arguments. But we have to accept that large parts of our society don't form their opinions this way. So we need to find ways to convince them.