Not at all, he's merely saying that once your Benoni's on the board you have to fianchetto your bishop.
Transgender rights discussion
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Not at all, he's merely saying that once your Benoni's on the board you have to fianchetto your bishop.
It's an entirely made up problem, because conservatives and reactionaries need to have a new group to demonize. I doubt that the people who are most up in arms about "trans activists" have ever actually met a trans person.
It straight up stinks of ignorance. Like when the pushback towards gay people was stuff along the lines of “but what if this weirdo tries to shag me, you know, because he’s a weirdo?” It’s just another case of inserting sexuality into something inherently non-sexual because they don’t understand it. All trans people must therefore be perverts.
They don't, it's granted generally because science and law declares their right to be there. Two things that spend quite a lot of time, energy, research, education and understanding when coming to their opinion, unlike you.
The only one doing mental gymnastics here is you.
Do we need to make bathrooms for women vagina-free as well? Just in case someone using the facilities was assaulted by a lesbian?
I'm know I'm being course, but what exactly is the percentage of "women" using bathrooms that have a phobia of knobs? Is it enough to say "feck off" to every single person who identifies as female being able to use the facilities they should be able to use? We're not talking about some rapist bloke who's decided to put on some makeup and a dress here.
I’ve made no mention of bathrooms though. I’m talking specifically about women’s refuges and shelters.
Yeah but you responded to @Maagge who was specifically talking about bathrooms.
Yea but he was replying to a post about women only spaces, which is what my post was centred on.
I should have quoted that poster instead, but my overall point still stands.
Edit: it's too late in the day to rant
I am possibly in the unusual position of having two good friends who have both had their daughters transition to men. This happened in both cases about 4 years ago once the final operations were completed. Both of them happy productive members of the community and nobody would be able to tell unless told.
I have been watching the whole anti Trans thing grow quickly in the last couple of years and it now seems to becoming more dangerous and vitriolic. I dont recall it being this bad 4-5 years ago and Im also watching the spin being applied and outright lies being pushed by the likes of Posie Parker, the subsequent result is a lot of people starting to make all sorts of hyperbolic claims.
There are issues that need solving but the dangerous rhetoric starting to take hold is making worry we will see some sort of horrible hate crimes committed as more and more people start to lose the plot. It seems to me to have become a weaponised issue. The safe women spaces argument is a fair one and something we need to make sure is looked after but the way Trans people are being portrayed within this is far removed from whats happening.
Its an angry world slowly getting angrier and solving issues is being thrown out the door, being replaced by anger and picking the "right" team to be in.
I have been watching the whole anti Trans thing grow quickly in the last couple of years and it now seems to becoming more dangerous and vitriolic. I dont recall it being this bad 4-5 years ago and Im also watching the spin being applied and outright lies being pushed by the likes of Posie Parker, the subsequent result is a lot of people starting to make all sorts of hyperbolic claims.
There are issues that need solving but the dangerous rhetoric starting to take hold is making worry we will see some sort of horrible hate crimes committed as more and more people start to lose the plot. It seems to me to have become a weaponised issue. The safe women spaces argument is a fair one and something we need to make sure is looked after but the way Trans people are being portrayed within this is far removed from whats happening.
Its an angry world slowly getting angrier and solving issues is being thrown out the door, being replaced by anger and picking the "right" team to be in.
Whenever the Trans debate comes up, I get “Goodbye Horses” stuck in my head
He’s English by birth, so he could be posting on here.
Isn't like the whole point of the mutants in X-Men that they're an allegory for racism or general bigotry?
A man named Webster Barnaby being English? Chance in a million.
Religious nuts are something else.
The only important thing to remember is that you're not wrong to ask questions and have an opinion. There's a very weird thing going on in the present-day Western world, and the lack of tolerance from everyone is unbelievable. I've always been liberal, left leaning, but it's hard to square myself with that position these days. There's nothing liberal about the left anymore.
Yeah no having an opinion that other human beings are imps, demons, rats or whatever is wrong however you want to slice it.
I am in the same boat. I was very left leaning but the last few years made me question a lot of things and I am now fully convinced that leftists are just as dangerous as rightists. I think it got absolutely out of control and ironically the freedom of speech is at it's worst levels it's been for decades. You can hardly say anything nowadays because you will 100% offend some group. There obviously are a lot of valid concerns regarding the gender topic but a lot of people seem to ignore that in order to be politically correct or in fear to be seen as transphobic and get cancelled by the radical left which is sad to see.
I always think too much gets mixed into these discussions. Take the OP as an example, it quotes some horrible tweets by Rowling and highlights an important issue, but is then put into a thread with a title "Transgender rights discussion".
The OP wasn't even about rights, it didn't mention rights at all. But framing it about rights pushes the conversation in a particular way - I mean, who can be against equal rights?
The conversation isn't really about rights, because I'm not sure anyone has any rights that a transgender person doesn't have (happy to be corrected here). The conversation is really about privilege, and should society afford certain privileges to particilar people so that they feel equal to others - and is privilege required in certain instances to achieve equality.
Whatever your views are, it is a fascinating discussion in that context, even if that means you have to ignore those being deliberately provocative.
The OP wasn't even about rights, it didn't mention rights at all. But framing it about rights pushes the conversation in a particular way - I mean, who can be against equal rights?
The conversation isn't really about rights, because I'm not sure anyone has any rights that a transgender person doesn't have (happy to be corrected here). The conversation is really about privilege, and should society afford certain privileges to particilar people so that they feel equal to others - and is privilege required in certain instances to achieve equality.
Whatever your views are, it is a fascinating discussion in that context, even if that means you have to ignore those being deliberately provocative.
Would you mind sharing an example of something you think you should be allowed to say but are no longer allowed?
What exactly are you referring to here, concerning this thread? Please be specific.
If we stick solely to the transgender topic, good luck saying "You are born either male or female and no plastic surgery will change that" publicly.
The thread title was changed recently as it was originally specific to Rowling's comments ('JK Rowling TERF and transphobic' or something to that effect was the original title).
Ah well that makes sense. Shows how infrequently I'm in and out these days.
You know it’s not illegal to say that? You will be challenged though, because people refer not to “biological sex” but “gender” which itself is a social construct indicating the role we play in society.
I am aware it is not illegal to say and it will not get anyone saying that jailed but I think you know what I meant. You can say it but at the same time you really cannot.
But you did? And we’re discussing it?
Begone vile Satan! My righteousness casts you and your arguments based on facts from this Earth!
You think that's bad, try saying that you're English in public.
It's a completely different environment compared to (social) media or other much more public channels. There are plenty of cases like this https://wgme.com/news/local/usm-stu...rofessor-says-only-two-biological-sexes-exist which I just find completely absurd.
This below sums it up nicely:
You are born male or female but plastic surgery has changed it for two people I know. You wouldnt be able to tell if you met them. Both seriously great young men. If you tried to argue with them that they were still female you would cause them some distress because they have both been down a long torturous path of personal confusion, depression, guilt and a host of other emotions to get to who they are now. Add in the years of hormone treatment and the major surgeries. Both truely believed they should have been male and now after many years are able to be who they feel they should be. I dont understand why anyone would want to say that to them or push that angle on them. Its wrong, saying it publicly is also wrong.
They are now both Men.
The thing is though, he’s a professor and the university will have a position on these things. Gender is an identity and most universities have strict guidelines around equity and equality.
It’s 2023, the distinction between biological sex and social gender has long been established. For a person of authority and trust in a University to be contrarian and denies a minority of his students their identity - it’s understanding that his students were upset and they protested his words, as is their right to.
Out of interest, why do you feel your right to deny the existence of social genders over biological sex is more important than the rights of someone who feels the brain that was coupled with their body before birth wasn’t the correct match and instead they wish to live as their non cis-gender?
In that particular case it was "two biological sexes exist" which caused a controversy.
People can live their lives however they want as long as it makes them happy, who am I to judge, it doesn't bother me at all. What does bother me is that as I said, freedom to express your opinion (unless it obviously fully complies with the "norm") is severely limited nowadays. Anything you say can get you fired from the job or become a target of cancel culture. Someone saying "there are only 2 genders", "transgender men should not be allowed to compete in women sport and vice-versa", or simply thinking that some of those infinite amount of genders are ridiculous (mirrorgender, duragender, condigender etc) should not cause a controversy because it's an opinion after all, just as "right" as someone who thinks otherwise. Anyway, don't want to go offtopic any further.
Yes, if you say that you're in danger of everyone fawning over you, and someone making an eight part podcast series about how cool you are and how the trans activists are witch hunting you, all the while deliberately not covering all your vile shit.
Wouldn't want that.
People get sex and gender mixed up. There are more than 2 genders. the definition of gender in the dictionary explains it well.
Remind who's in power around the world again? Someone being radically left on Twitter is clearly not as dangerous as the borderline fascists politicians in power in places like the US and UK.
Bit of an exaggeration, no? How often do you feel limited in your ability to express your opinion. I can't even remember the last time it happened to me. But most of the stuff I talk about is football, work and alcohol anyway so it's hardly inflammatory.
You remind me vaguely of my mum who was distraught she couldn't use a term in Danish anymore because "it felt like her childhood and youth was taken from her as that's how they used to speak". If that's what you remember from your youth maybe you should've spend your time on more exciting stuff, mum.
Good grief...
For someone who supposedly wants to champion the rights of "actual" trans people, you sure do use a lot of ultra-conservative dog whistles and bigoted rhetoric to state that. It's absolutely not the kind of language that I would associate with an LGBTQ ally, ever. It seems more like what you'd find in the most hysterical of Daily Mail comments sections.
I'd definitely like to see some examples of these supposed faux-LGBTQ cosplayers and their imaginary sexualities and genders though. Have you got any?