Transfer Tweets - Summer 2017 | Keep it on topic

jesperjaap said:
Yes price wise or do you mean ability?

Sule over Keane
Benatia over Djik
Banega over Dier (if he is still anything like the player of Sevilla and Valencia)
Coman over Perisic
Tielmans over Kieta (confess barely seen Keita, still I think Tielmans will be worth treble his fee in a year or two, which would still make him cheaper than Keitas rumoured fee)

I think Bruma, Paredes and Dahoud are a bit overhyped, but they are all talented and have all gone for relatively cheap fees that would have been good deals for a lot of premiership sides
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- Sule has not shown more than Keane at this point. Even if he goes on to be great.
- Benatia hasn't been particularly good for a while. VVD is much better.
- Banega is somewhat of a journeyman, and inconsistent. He's also 29. Dier is starting for the 2nd best team in (probably) the strongest league, and his national team.
- Coman had a pre-arranged price from 2 years ago, when he was a somewhat unproven property. Would cost much more today on the open market. Perisic has come off the back of a great season, and is playing for a club that doesn't want to sell.
- keita has just completed a great season at the heart of the 2nd placed bundesliga team. Tielemans has never played above Belgian league level.

I agree with much of what you say, but market forces perfectly explain the comparative prices. Moreover, some of the players mentioned I.e. banega and Benatia, just aren't very good.

Only one on that alternative list worth grabbing IMO, would've been Tielemans. Exactly the sort of player, that if he is able to adapt to a higher level, will be going for 50-60m in 2 years. But as much as I'd love Utd to sign players like that, I think it's refreshing to see youngsters go to clubs where they will actually play, like Monaco and Dortmund. We've already seen what often happens to promising talents that go to big clubs too early. Most recent example being Renato Sanches.
 
simonhch said:
- Sule has not shown more than Keane at this point. Even if he goes on to be great.
- Benatia hasn't been particularly good for a while. VVD is much better.
- Banega is somewhat of a journeyman, and inconsistent. He's also 29. Dier is starting for the 2nd best team in (probably) the strongest league, and his national team.
- Coman had a pre-arranged price from 2 years ago, when he was a somewhat unproven property. Would cost much more today on the open market. Perisic has come off the back of a great season, and is playing for a club that doesn't want to sell.
- keita has just completed a great season at the heart of the 2nd placed bundesliga team. Tielemans has never played above Belgian league level.

I agree with much of what you say, but market forces perfectly explain the comparative prices. Moreover, some of the players mentioned I.e. banega and Benatia, just aren't very good.

Only one on that alternative list worth grabbing IMO, would've been Tielemans. Exactly the sort of player, that if he is able to adapt to a higher level, will be going for 50-60m in 2 years. But as much as I'd love Utd to sign players like that, I think it's refreshing to see youngsters go to clubs where they will actually play, like Monaco and Dortmund. We've already seen what often happens to promising talents that go to big clubs too early. Most recent example being Renato Sanches.
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i disagree, La Liga is the strongest league in the world.
 
Red_toad said:
You judge a league on all of its teams. La Liga has a few exceptional teams and a lot of dross. The premier league is far far more competitive and a stronger league.
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same with PL, more competitive doesn't mean PL is stronger than La Liga. Barcelona, Real, and Atletico are far stronger than Chelsea, Spurs, Liverpool, Arsenal, City, and even United.
 
I think the idea of the EPL being the strongest league is void when one of our best teams loses to fecking Gent who aren't even the Belgian champions.
 
Red_toad said:
You judge a league on all of its teams. La Liga has a few exceptional teams and a lot of dross. The premier league is far far more competitive and a stronger league.
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Maybe bottom 10 teams in PL are better than in Spain. But La liga's third best team is better than the best team in England. That have been situation few years already. If you check Europa league or Champions league winners last 5-10 years, there is only one answer. La Liga is the best league in the world. There are the best players too, you can check Ballon d'or winners and top3 players too. Since 2009 22/24 Ballon d'or top3 players has been from La Liga and 2/24 from Germany. None of them from PL. La Liga dominates everything.
 
Don't believe this, if city were interested he would be there now, for them that's balls and bibs type money.
 
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Red_toad said:
You judge a league on all of its teams. La Liga has a few exceptional teams and a lot of dross. The premier league is far far more competitive and a stronger league.
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Agreed. This isn't even up for debate.
 
Damien said:
Yeah, I know he was making a casual racist joke.
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Didn't realize there were degrees of racism, until I got to the caf, which seems to like its racist jokes with just the right amount of "humour".

These casual racist comments go unchecked often, one wonders if the mods have a different yardstick for defining racism.
 
simonhch said:
- Sule has not shown more than Keane at this point. Even if he goes on to be great.
- Benatia hasn't been particularly good for a while. VVD is much better.
- Banega is somewhat of a journeyman, and inconsistent. He's also 29. Dier is starting for the 2nd best team in (probably) the strongest league, and his national team.
- Coman had a pre-arranged price from 2 years ago, when he was a somewhat unproven property. Would cost much more today on the open market. Perisic has come off the back of a great season, and is playing for a club that doesn't want to sell.
- keita has just completed a great season at the heart of the 2nd placed bundesliga team. Tielemans has never played above Belgian league level.

I agree with much of what you say, but market forces perfectly explain the comparative prices. Moreover, some of the players mentioned I.e. banega and Benatia, just aren't very good.

Only one on that alternative list worth grabbing IMO, would've been Tielemans. Exactly the sort of player, that if he is able to adapt to a higher level, will be going for 50-60m in 2 years. But as much as I'd love Utd to sign players like that, I think it's refreshing to see youngsters go to clubs where they will actually play, like Monaco and Dortmund. We've already seen what often happens to promising talents that go to big clubs too early. Most recent example being Renato Sanches.
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The premiership is certainly not the strongest league, it has been very poor for 4/5 years now and is just the last season starting to become good again, the poor performances in Europe for most of this decade show that. Just because there are a larger number of average sides competing, hardly makes it a better league than others, we dont currently have a side anywhere near the quality of Europes best. Go back a decade or so and look at the premierships top four and it isnt just our side that is miles better than the current one. The current Spurs side for example wouldnt have got in the top four at all, they are totally over hyped because the other sides currently are poor, same thing with Leicester two years ago.

As for the players, it is just opinions but Banega I can be biased on forgetting his time with Inter as not seen much of him there but for me he is the most under rated players talent wise I can remember, similar to Tugay. Many of his performances for Valencia in particular are several levels above anything Dier will ever produce, to even compare them is laughable in my opinion. Inconsistent and a journey man he may be, but in that case you would say the same about Perisic then surely?
 
DoubleRevv said:

Didn't realize there were degrees of racism, until I got to the caf, which seems to like its racist jokes with just the right amount of "humour".

These casual racist comments go unchecked often, one wonders if the mods have a different yardstick for defining racism.
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Come on mate, any legitimate racist posters are banned on here. The mods do a great job of removing them.

It seems anything and everything is racist in some people's minds these days.
 
It says a lot about how boring this transfer window is that two posters who agree that something is racist are arguing about how racist it is....

I've massively cut down how often i come here at the moment. Literally nothing is happening according to the press. At this point i may as well check the united facebook page.
 
nokillingmoths said:
It says a lot about how boring this transfer window is that two posters who agree that something is racist are arguing about how racist it is....

I've massively cut down how often i come here at the moment. Literally nothing is happening according to the press. At this point i may as well check the united facebook page.
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One big transfer and it will kickstart everything mate. Nobody seems to be willing to pull the trigger first at the moment.
 
nokillingmoths said:
It says a lot about how boring this transfer window is that two posters who agree that something is racist are arguing about how racist it is....

I've massively cut down how often i come here at the moment. Literally nothing is happening according to the press. At this point i may as well check the united facebook page.
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It just takes the time for a nice fax to print through for it all to change! So yeah...I come in here regularly during the day...don't want to miss 'the moment'....:smirk:
 
Red_toad said:
You judge a league on all of its teams. La Liga has a few exceptional teams and a lot of dross. The premier league is far far more competitive and a stronger league.
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First off all, competitiveness doesn't equate strength. La Liga's top half teams have shown in continental competitions that they are way ahead of PL teams. Secondly, There is no evidence to suggest PL bottom half teams are better than La Liga bottom half and vice versa. As much as I want to see PL back on top again, I don't think that will happen any time soon unfortunately.
 
Z_Wolf said:
First off all, competitiveness doesn't equate strength. La Liga's top half teams have shown in continental competitions that they are way ahead of PL teams. Secondly, There is no evidence to suggest PL bottom half teams are better than La Liga bottom half and vice versa. As much as I want to see PL back on top again, I don't think that will happen any time soon unfortunately.
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Its only Real and Barcelona. Atletico were hardly convincing against Leicester and Sevilla were dumped out by the latter.
 
ayushreddevil9 said:
Its only Real and Barcelona. Atletico were hardly convincing against Leicester and Sevilla were dumped out by the latter.
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That was just a one off. La Liga teams have shown over the years that they are way better. We shat our pants in the second leg vs Cela Vigo at OT and nearly bottled a CL place.
 
CL winners and runner ups last 5 years:

2017: Real Madrid-Juventus
2016: Real Madrid-Atletico Madrid
2015: Barcelona-Juventus
2014: Real Madrid-Atletico Madrid
2013: Bayern Munich-Borussia Dortmund

EL winners and runner ups last 5 years:

2017: Manchester United-Ajax
2016: Sevilla-Liverpool
2015: Sevilla-Dnipro
2014: Sevilla-Benfica
2013: Chelsea-Benfica

Number of trophies since 2000 CL: Spain 9, England 3, Germany 2, Italy 2.
Number of trophies since 2000 EL: Spain 8, England 3, Russia/Portugal 2, Netherland/Ukraine/Turkey 1.

Since 2000 there has been 4 different spanish teams and 4 different english teams in cl-final. And in el-final there has been 5 different english teams and 6 different spanish teams. I just can't find many reason why i would say Premier League is better than La Liga. Top teams are much better in Spain and that next group seems to be quite competive too. Maybe bottom teams could be little better in PL but overall La Liga is better league. PL maybe was the best league about 2005-2010 but it's not that right now.

e. And then back to topic.
 
When you see people discussion La Liga vs EPL in the transfer tweets thread you know there's a serious lack of any tweets to post here.
 
This has been La Liga decade for sure: their tiki-taka and wonder midgets football philosophy, their national team winning it all, their two wonder teams on top of the two top footballers in a generation, 3-4 more great teams as well. Other environments have been lateral but successful enough to this narrative, notably Bayern and Germany. The rest is way below.
 
SirMattBugsby said:
Clubs should ban Arsenal for the entire window for making disrespectful offers like these. Shameless and embarrassing for their high-paying fans.
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It's doubtful whether they have really made those offers, Wenger might be just looking to fool Arsenal fans into thinking that they are a ambitious club.
 
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