Big Viv will always be fondly remembered as Fergies 1st signing
Transfer Tweets - Manchester United - 2024/25
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Getting rid of AWB to get an injury-prone player makes no sense. Not even comparable to De Ligt's injuries.
Especially when we had injury issues last season and we were dependent on AWB. Not getting that. Makes sense business-wise re: PSR but not as a football decision.
AWB had a bunch of injury issues himself
not comparable to Mazraoui at all
I wonder was he named after old spider legs himselfSuddenly becoming silly season again where we are being linked with everybody. Surely we need some outgoings now to create funds? Feel like things will go slow for a while now while we struggle to shift players.
My thought exactly. Seems like the media are spinning with so many stories and that United are beeing linked to random players.
Also it might be the clubs strategy to have three players they're looking at in every position. For every position we're trying to strengthen there is three players beeing linked to us.
How reliable is this Sheldon fella?
Covers United and City for the Athletic so he's reliable.
Good to know, thanks.
Premier league buys primarily from the French league though:
Ligue 1, the French top division where Yoro shot to prominence last season, is where the Premier League’s 20 clubs have collectively spent more than any other overseas league in the past decade.
The outlay stood at £1.81billion ($2.34bn) in the previous 10 years ahead of this summer and, in all probability, will soar past the £2bn mark in the next six weeks. The weight of numbers making the move to the Premier League from French clubs — 145 players and counting — is also unsurpassed.
No other European league has received more of the Premier League’s riches through transfer fees than France’s top division since 2014, although Spain’s La Liga and Germany’s Bundesliga are not far behind.
So an average of around £12.5 million per player from France.
Not an exact metric, but I wonder what the equivalent price per player average is for Germany and Spain.
You should jump to his performance thread at any given page last season
His numbers are more consistent than the former two and he's still often slated - go to his performances thread
His workrate and attitude have been pretty reliable. Outside of that, things depend on the team performances as a whole which were under par.
He is still the first name on the team sheet for me.
There are three factors to consider here ;
1. PSR/FSP/FFP with losses predicted of £70m plus for last years accounts this will have an impact on our three year acceptable losses of £105m, we only made minimal sale of A Fernandez for £5m before June 30th so it looks like the club were able to show the Commission payments to Raine Group for selling the club as an exceptional item in the accounts and this will not affect PSR/FFP otherwise the club would have been in a rush to sell more players before July 1st 2024. UEFA’s squad ratio rule is 80% this year from Jan 1st to December 31st 2024. If the Revenue is £660m as predicted and wages are just 50% as shown on Swiss Rambles chart. This means the club can only spend 80% of £660m(£528m) on Wages, Upfront Agent Fees, Amortised Existing Transfer Fees and New Transfers. Assuming £330m wages, Agent Fees £50m, Existing Amortised Fees(what we currently owe to existing clubs for transfers yearly for players like Casemiro and Antony etc) - £90m, this is a moving figure due to the new accounting period from UEFA so that’s an estimate of £470m, this is where the £50-60m of budget came from but it was not accurately described, since this is the financial monetary value that can be spent in this years accounts and does not take into account transfers purchased on yearly plans and player amortisation, therefore a true budget was nearer £150-200m.
2. Homegrown players sold for 100% profit. Players like Mason Greenwood, Alvaro Fernandez and Willy Kambawla represent 100% net profit of probably £40m which can be added to the £50-60m estimated as Squad ratio Allowance. This now means that the club has £90-100m available before any other sales to spend and looking at the first two deals they would impact the budget in the following way. Joshua Zirkzee £36m cost was spread over 3 years with his Agent fee being paid up front of approximately £10m. Lenny Yoro the transfer was widely rumoured to be an initial £52m with £16m paid up front and then three instalments of £12m plus any bonuses should the targets be reached. Lenny Yoro’s agent is Mendes so assume another high agent fee of £10m and the club would now have spent £20m of the £50m set aside for Agent Fees and £28m of the £90-100m still available under FSP.
In simple layman’s terms, they can still probably sign 2 or 3 top players as the wages have already been reduce substantially by Varane, Martial, DVB, Greenwood and Brandon Williams all leaving. You can clearly see that Ashworth and Wilcox are used to working in much tighter FFP constraints and have thought this out very precisely with Omar Berrada backing. Their next obvious move is to sell the best homegrown options like;
S Mctominay and Hanibal for maybe £40m which moves the Transfer budget from £90-100m to £130-140m
3. The biggest issue of all for Berrada, Ashworth and Wilcox is actual cash and money available to facilitate new player purchases. The club had a revolving credit line facility that was maxed out by December 2023 which is why no winter transfers or even loans were available. SJR new investment made an initial $200(157m) with a further $100m(£78m) to be made available December 2024. We also know that £50m is being used for huge upgrades to Carrington and that £120m was paid off the credit card facility earlier this year.
https://metro.co.uk/2024/03/14/manc...r-jim-ratcliffes-cash-injection-20463678/amp/
So in terms of cash actually needed so far in the transfer window, the club has spent or allowed for £48m. Hypothetically let’s assume United have their best transfer summer in living memory and the following happens;
The Club Signs M De Ligt(£38m),
M Ugarte(£42m), M Zubimendi(£50m),
X Simmons (loan with an obligation/7m loan fee), F Kadiogiou (£23m) , I Toney (£35m) as well as J Zirkzee and L Yoro
The Club Sells S Mctominay(35m), Hannibal(10m), J Sancho(35m),
F Pellistri(£7.5m).
Scott Mctominay would move the transfer needle to now £165-175m that the club would be allowed to spend this summer just on transfer fees subject to the cash being available. Now in exactly the same way united would pay instalments for new players, clubs buying players from united would do the Same, so instead of receiving £120-130m for player sales the club might receive 1/5th of that sum this summer so let’s estimate £25m.
The club had originally £120m of cash to facilitate all the transfer initial payments and upfront Agent Fees, now they have £145m of which they have probably already spent £48m. If all the transfers above actually happened, this would be an additional total of £195m and could be negotiated over 3/4 year terms then the cash required would be approximately £60m plus the Agent fees £28m this summer.
That’s £88m added to the £48m which would represent a total investment this summer of £136m however a total transfer window of £270-280m or £150m net transfer spend and well within the PSR/FSP threshold.
The key is selling players and negotiating excellent payment terms, this may be the reason that players like M Zubimendi and J Neves do not happen, simply because the selling clubs want the full payment up front and United currently can not afford that type of transaction.
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It’s exactly that, the club under competent management understand, that the positions need filling and they are working on 2 or 3 options in each position so if a club thinks they can manipulate us, we’ll simply very politely move on to another target.
It looks like we know that we need another CB, Probably 2 Midfielders, and maybe one Fullback and Winger/Striker depending sales. We are probably being linked with 4 or 5 midfielders right now as we know at least one or two are going and we need a DM and a CM as a matter of urgency.
That CL semi final performance will become legendary if this deal goes through.
If we sign all those players, we could sell Antony, Rashford, Lindelof, Casemiro and AWB too.
We could and Rashford would be the best in terms of net profit, selling Lindelof is I’m sure already done, AWB as well but I can’t see United selling Casemiro or Antony their wages are ridiculous even with a 25% Europa League.
We can’t sell Rashford and Sancho it’s either or we need 4 options for inverted striker positions. That’s why I see the Ivan Toney deal happening we need at least 8 homegrown players, that’s why Mount, Maguire, Shaw and Rashford won’t be sold.
You just get the impression that RVN is been brought in to work with the Attacking players and in particular increase the clubs goal output. I can see Rashford leaving next season if a suitable replacement becomes available.
We played a weird 4222 formation in the FA Cup Final but a very different from a normal 4222 maybe we are looking at 4132 with Ugarte/Casemiro New DM and then three midfielders like K Mainoo, Bruno, Mount, Amad, C Eriksen with Zirkzee/R Hojlund or Toney/Rashford/Garnaucho being options here Amad can easily play in that three man attacking midfield, just looks like we are looking to play a few different formations with the players we are recruiting.
Well to be fair to Jadon, he pretty much destroyed PSG in that first leg.
I wonder if ‘conditions of a deal’ means “can we have him on loan, no obligation and you pay half his wages?”
You can thank those bums Murtough and Arnold for agreeing to this.
Interesting would never have thought that at all, though thinking of it, quite a few smaller deals do spriing to mind
Which might be why there is such a high sell on clause of 50%.
They would have taken him without clauses most likely. Incompetent people still fecking us over.
Given the poison chalice, we gave Getafe a deal to get them to take away our problem, the alternative would have been him sitting out his contract or agreeing a termination, we have got some money back, I do not think we can be too miffed given the fustercluck of the situation
I'm sorry to point this out, but you have misunderstood the term of amortisation, which you call "Amortised Existing Transfer Fees". Amortisation relates to the accounting cost of owning a player, which is a non-cash yearly cost of transfer fee divided by contract length. The amortisation cost shows in the P&L statement, so you can look that exact number up in the financial reports.
It has nothing to do with the transfer fee installments owed to other clubs. This shows as a liability in the balance sheet. As the installments are paid, it has a negative effect on our cash balance.
Your post mainly comes to the right conclusions, i.e. that we are cash constriant and that we need to sell players with good payment terms, but most of the arguments you use to get there are factually incomplete.
I don't get this logic. No one but Getafe was interested in taking him on due to the cloud around him, it's a miracle someone took him on loan and a miracle a relatively big club has bought him now (this was nearly torpedoed by the city's Mayor).
As bonkers as the sell-on clause sounds, another way of looking at it is that Getafa took an asset worth almost zero at the time and turned him into a €30 million profit.
So they're entitled to 20% of our 50%. Not ideal but watch every Tom, Dick, and Harry report it as 20% of the full fee if / when he is sold.
Yeah, a lot of people don't realise it. French league is one of the core supporting pillars for the prem. They have a scary level and depth of talent there.
I said it in a thread a while ago, calling the French league "farmer's league" doesn't make sense since they regularly supply the premier league with some of it's biggest stars:
He is a big talent and Getafe dont have much money to buy a talent like Greenwood normally because of the situation.
About the mayor comment, i think you are confusing this loan with the transfer to Marseille? I dont think i read anywhere that the mayor of Getafe did that.
He's talking about Marseille's mayor. They are the relatively big club not Getafe.
The article says Getafe pushed for the clause.
Agreed. And, to be fair, this clause was reported at the time of his move to Getafe. The article just clears up the confusion surrounding it.
Think we could just take a (rather big) hit on Antony. The way you put it;
Ugarte/Zubi/Collyer, Mainoo/Mount; Garnacho/Amad, Zirkzee/Simons, Bruno/Simons; Højlund/Toney
We also have several flexible players here;
Toney could easily play deeper, Mount could play higher up, Garnacho could play left and right, Simons all over, Zirkzee higher etc. Furthermore, we have a few exciting youngsters coming up that could step in. If we where able to pull of those signings (something that would be great), we should sell, sell and sell!