come on now, I think that's a bit of a stretch
I know but when you have the money men running the show, you never know..
Tosic - Gone. To CSKA
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I know but when you have the money men running the show, you never know..
Tosic is absolute shite. I had an argument on here with Vuc who was trying to convince me otherwise though and that he would stay on. What do you say now? 
I dont like the image that United has been giving out lately. That certainly wont attract many young players and puts the youth policy in a worse light
Olly Kat (at the Times) is reporting we made a loss, "bought for an undisclosed fee and sold for a slightly smaller undisclosed fee"
No, that's the guy who sang 'Achey Breaky Heart'.
He was sold because
- He doesn't seemed to have settled well. Atleast in SAF's books.
- We have many wingers ahead of him
- We had a good offer for him
- We had to trim our squad down to 25
All of you'll forcibly bringing the Glazer angle into all threads including this one are just embarrassing yourselves.
- He doesn't seemed to have settled well. Atleast in SAF's books.
- We have many wingers ahead of him
- We had a good offer for him
- We had to trim our squad down to 25
All of you'll forcibly bringing the Glazer angle into all threads including this one are just embarrassing yourselves.
Good isn't it, apparently, mathematically speaking; "undisclosed - undisclosed = negative"
That said, I can't see any reason that we'd make a profit on him. Given we played him once (iirc) we can't claim he's come on under our coaching.
This is exactly the attitude that I have. The mistake is in not differentiating between signings, and also believing that it only requires someone to sign for the club for them to become a Manchester United player. That's only true in the most trivial sense.
We know that it can be difficult for players with great stature in the game that cost upwards of £30m to cope with the pressure and demands of this club, so as you start to move down the levels, even if it is only temporary due to potential, the odds generally become even shorter.
But that doesn't mean that these signings are necessarily a mistake, because it's really not that easy to tell who can cope unless you afford them an opportunity to come to the club. I suppose that the lack of chances that some players have is puzzling, but there are only few games during each season where we can afford to "trial" players in that way. Seeing them in training every day will at least give the manager a very good opportunity to assess their qualities at close quarters.
Also, there is sense in which signing players for several million just isn't that risky in terms of losing money, whereas there is a much greater risk with anyone who is priced at a level that only the very biggest clubs can afford. If a seven million pound player, for example, doesn't make it at United, lots of other clubs at a level just below will understand that they likely are good enough for that level and they will be able to afford the transfer fee. If a £30m player doesn't perform, not only will there be fewer clubs that can afford the fee, but those clubs will have then witnessed the player not being able to cope with that level of pressure and expectation.
Did I hurt your feelings? you pathetic loser.
"We have to sign a star!!! just like I did on Football Manager!!!!"
Tosic is absolute shite. I had an argument on here with Vuc who was trying to convince me otherwise though and that he would stay on. What do you say now?
You are an idiot.
Good luck to Tosic, shame for him it never worked out here, but he's shown his talent for Koln and Serbia and has joined a good club.
I agree, and it might be something as simple as the emergence of Nani, or even that Sir Alex believes that he can find a player, or that there is one that it already at the club, that is just that little bit better or more suited to this club.
It really doesn't have to mean that a player is "shite", or even that they won't ever reach the very top level in world football.
I wouldn't personally want to see Mascherano at United, for example, even though he is one of the premier defensive midfielders in world football, because it is just my opinion that he is too limited in what he does and I wouldn't want to see this club having to accommodate (in the sense that it limits what else you can do) a player like that in midfield. But for other clubs and other styles of football he is the perfect player.
We took a gamble on him, and it didn't work out. Right decision to move him on.
Who were we going to drop to play Tosic?. He'd slipped to 6-7th on the depth chart for wide players.
A Balkan Liam Miller
A Balkan Liam Miller
This decision has nothing to do with the debt and Im sure as a footballing decision.
If he was good enough he'd have played. Plus we need to cut the squad down with the 25 players rule.
If he was good enough he'd have played. Plus we need to cut the squad down with the 25 players rule.
Never given a proper chance.
But didn't exactly pull up trees in the reserves.
Still, would like to have seen him start a few games. As it stands, it was wise to move him on - we have a big squad.
Still, would like to have seen him start a few games. As it stands, it was wise to move him on - we have a big squad.
You don't buy a player for millions of pounds and don't give him a chance. Even when we were 3 or 4 up, it was Macheda or Welbeck coming on.
Yeah, we should have bought Karl Henry instead.
We aren't going to get £8 mill for a player who's had 5 sub appearances for us. It might be a small base fee with the rest of the money dependent on future success.
Good luck to him and even if we made a small loss on him, it's not that big a deal, young players are worth the gamble.
I wonder why...
Then we should stop spamming the team with 21 year old signings from Lidl unless we are able to give them the ample first team matches that they need to develop into decent players.
Fergie obviously wasnt interested in Krasic or he would have used Tosic as part of the deal.
Has Vuc committed suicide yet? If Vida leaves his whole world will implode!
Has Vuc committed suicide yet? If Vida leaves his whole world will implode!
Did I hurt your feelings? you pathetic loser.
"We have to sign a star!!! just like I did on Football Manager!!!!"
Looked decent in Germany
Did I hurt your feelings? you pathetic loser.
"We have to sign a star!!! just like I did on Football Manager!!!!"
Not at all. I just think you're a poor poster and I often notice you rudely interject without any real point to make. Others seem to've noticed this as well.
Maybe it was harsh of me to make fun of your username, but I'm sure you can see the cliched connotations of naming yourself after a fictional gangster and then telling other to 'grow up' - it made me chuckle.
Fair play if you didn't appreciate my point on the failings of the Tosic and Ljajic signings, but no need to start up with the "big man" verbals.
Unlucky for Zoran Tosic.
I didn't quite understand his signing from the start. For that amount of money I expected him to get some games because we can all see he has obvious talent. Im sure he will do well at CSKA though. Maybe the Premier League is just beyond his current level? But finally this whole Serbian transfer mystery is over now and I wish both him and Ljajic good luck in their future careers.
We're pretty well covered with Valencia, Nani, Giggs Park and Obertan anyway.
I didn't quite understand his signing from the start. For that amount of money I expected him to get some games because we can all see he has obvious talent. Im sure he will do well at CSKA though. Maybe the Premier League is just beyond his current level? But finally this whole Serbian transfer mystery is over now and I wish both him and Ljajic good luck in their future careers.
We're pretty well covered with Valencia, Nani, Giggs Park and Obertan anyway.
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The bolded bit is the worry.
8m is good value.
You'd be running a pretty shit business if this was commonplace. If the figures of £7m paid and £8m received is correct, then we've still paid his wages for a year, I can't imagine that an actual profit has been made when that is factored into the equation.
I wonder if we'll ever hear what it was all about. Both the fact he never got a chance in the first team and the cancellation of the Ljajic deal hint of something. I can't believe we signed a player for a few millions, just to realise he's so bad he doesn't even merit a couple of starts in the league cup.
Still, he'll always remain with his best moment as a United player, from the 08/09 season review: His press conference. Bye Bamby...
Still, he'll always remain with his best moment as a United player, from the 08/09 season review: His press conference. Bye Bamby...
Manucho was another who we signed, din't give a chance and promptly got rid. Diouf and Hernandez had better watch out...
I reckon the point of these signings is that we spot an exciting talent, sign him quickly when hearing about other clubs' interest, and take the risk. It's likely that we could sign them for a lowish fee and sell them on for an inflated price a year or so later if they don't make the cut.
I reckon the point of these signings is that we spot an exciting talent, sign him quickly when hearing about other clubs' interest, and take the risk. It's likely that we could sign them for a lowish fee and sell them on for an inflated price a year or so later if they don't make the cut.
I heard the figure we paid for Tosic was £3.5m?
Anyone could see that Manucho was pretty shit to be fair. I'm sure Fergie is able to better judge whether a player is good enough for the team or not.
In fairness, Manucho hardly did so badly out of the deal, he started in the Angolan league and has ended up in La Liga. I don't think Diouf or Hernandez will have much to complain about if they don't make it at United either, they're always likely to get a deal at a top flight club somewhere if it doesn't work out since United rejects can turn out to be very useful for a lot of other clubs. They probably aren't even thinking about that, though. There's no doubting that if they're good enough they'll get games.
This may be a little off topic for this thread, but there are a lot of people on here who seem to be irritated by the "value in the market" comments made by Fergie, and as many have pointed out that since players are moving for such ridiculous amounts of money right now it's a fair point to make. I think it's also worth remembering that the financial fair play regulations will start coming into play in 2012, and I'd imagine that's likely to drive the transfer market down a significant amount. It's possible there could even be a drop in the cost of players as soon as next summer, because it doesn't make so much sense to spend £30-60m on a player when the same player would probably go for a fraction of the cost just a year later. Likewise for us, are we in such desperate circumstances that we need to grossly overpay for a player this summer when in just a few transfer windows time a similar player (or indeed the hypothetical one we overpaid for this summer) may be worth a whole lot less?
Certainly we are not in the good books of most of the talented youngsters today after this.