He's a superb passer with either foot but that game looks like it's been played at practically walking pace, no pressure on the ball.
Toni Kroos
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He's a superb passer with either foot but that game looks like it's been played at practically walking pace, no pressure on the ball.
Even with pressure his passing is superb, I don't have any doubts about him not thriving in the prem
Zidane is using him in a very odd way. When they play it looks like a 4 1 1 2 3 formation with him as the first defending midfielder in that formation and then straight infront of him is Modric.
His traits:
His traits:
- Good accurate shot
- Great free kicks
- Like Carrick with his passings
- Tactical genius in midfield. Never ends up under pressure.
- His ball control is unreal.
- He's a great ball winner. He's the kind of player you have to avoid when going through the middle instead of passing by.
- Just as good in each box. There's no other midfielder in the world today who could match the total attributes both in defense and offense. Even compared on a special area alone he will probably be on the very top.
I really think he's better off in Spain or with PSG, the pace and tempo of the PL is not a great fit for a player like him IMO, he'd have to adjust a lot and the team would need two dedicated workers in midfield to cover him.
I think Modric is better than him and has been since Kroos' arrival.
Do you mean that in both sides of the pitch?
He comes from Germany where the tempo was higher and he was excellent. Also players can adapt.
I don't know, I look at it from an overall POV.
If a similar player in similar like Carrick has done really well in the PL when he was at his peak and when the level was better, there is no reason that Kroos wouldn't be able to do the same or even better.
That's exactly what I did too! I really think you're a objective and fair poster kouroux, but in this case you've done a huge misjudgment. Modric is not allowed to hang with Kroos at trainings. Modric is not driving up to the restaurant getting a table even though it's already full.
I know he played in the Bundesliga as well but even it is a slower tempo than the PL, and I'm not saying the PL is better quality-wise as clearly the European competitions prove otherwise. However it is a very specific type of league and most players that come to it have spoken of getting a jolt from how much quicker and more physical it is.
Kroos is ideal for a league that plays a more tactical game, but I remain unconvinced his lack of mobility is cut out for the PL. As I said if he did come to any PL club they'd need 2 really mobile, hard working CM's either side of him, no room for a #10 type player IMO.
If Lampard can do it, Kroos can too. But seriously players adapt every seasons to the PL, players talk about the high tempo in the PL because journos ask them about how different the league is, they don't complain about it.
Lampard is a strange example as he was comfortably more mobile than Kroos and played mostly as an AM.
Kroos is a very good AM, be positive.
Off the striker or where Alli played for England? To me his best role is one like Xavi played at Barca, between the DM and the AM. As far as being positive goes, I'm not too concerned as I doubt he'd come here anyway.
Well Schneiderlin and Herrera are our best current midfielders and both are mobile and hardworking.I think Kroos would fit in very well with them, in a 433 which I would prefer.
However if we were to play with a 10, I don't think it's true that Kroos wouldn't work as a cm.Carrick is no quicker and has been great for us in a 2 man midfield even when Cleverly was his partner.
With Leverkusen and Bayern, he played as a #10 off the striker. The Bayern fans will have a better memory but he played well in something like that:
-----------Mandzukic
Ribery------Kroos------Muller
----Javi Martinez-Schweiny
With Schweinsteiger, Javi Martinez and Luiz Gustavo in the CM main rotation, iirc Robben was often injured.
The problem there is neither of those are really pure DM's, people keep saying Schneiderlin is but he's more of a box to box energy player and Herrera is an AM, to me Kroos needs one behind him as a safety net and one in front of him as an AM to press allowing him to operate in the space between.
Carrick isn't quicker but I'd say he was a bit more agile when he was younger, however the main difference is Carrick's defensive positioning was excellent, Kroos isn't.
I'll tag Balu on and he will be able to give the insight.
I'd hate to see us playing with him there in truth, if we were to use a player off the striker I'd like a Griezmann or Dybala type, I think Kroos is best between the AM and DM personally as it uses his passing range more effectively. @Balu
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I think you're pigeon holing Kroos way too much.He's nowhere near as inflexible or limited as you're making out.I think he'd be a big improvement either next to Schneiderlin or as the AM.Would much prefer him over an unproven talent like SanchesThe problem there is neither of those are really pure DM's, people keep saying Schneiderlin is but he's more of a box to box energy player and Herrera is an AM, to me Kroos needs one behind him as a safety net and one in front of him as an AM to press allowing him to operate in the space between.
Carrick isn't quicker but I'd say he was a bit more agile when he was younger, however the main difference is Carrick's defensive positioning was excellent, Kroos isn't.
I'll tag Balu on and he will be able to give the insight.
@Balu
Fair enough, I have seen him a lot for Real Madrid and for Germany and I am always take by how immobile he is and how little he does defensively, and IMO that would see us really struggle in the PL if he was in a 2 Man midfield. I am with you on Sanches though, that situation has reached silliness, but I'd rather no go for either.
Who would you buy for midfield, just out of interest.
Gundogan and Pogba would be my ideal choices but both are almost certainly not going to happen, so I'd go for Saul, Goretzka or Xhaka.
Schneiderlin-Kroos-Herrera would be the best midfield in the league. It has everything, then ypu can play the likes of Bastian in tougher games when we need to be more defensive. Kroos' "immobility" is easily compensated for and the guy would bring a whole new dimension to our game with his passing. If he wants to come it's a no brainer for me.
I thought your first post was strange - he is nowhere near being the most balanced midfielder in the world today. But then I read your next one. Are you mocking someone or is this for real?
I still maintain what I said about Kroos when he was at Bayern... Not since Scholes have I seen someone with that range of passing and ability to dictate tempo of a game. Would take him in an instant
But again Real will be hit with a transfer ban thus none of their players will be going anywhere
But again Real will be hit with a transfer ban thus none of their players will be going anywhere
Have we even been linked to this guy?
Yes.
By a good source?
Ballague a few weeks back... Take that how you will
I actually don't mind him. Think he gets a bad rep on here.
I'm not sure there is such a thing as a truly good source, but Ballague did call the last Real Madrid player to us correctly I guess.
Page 6, you have RMCsport and Bouhafsi.
I don't understandLike @JPRouve wrote, Heynckes played Kroos as the AM in both seasons with us (and as a left sided attacking midfielder for Leverkusen). He did play deeper a few times, when Schweinsteiger was missing or in the CL final against Chelsea when we had so many players suspended that it became necessary. Our main formation in the treble winning season until Kroos got injured was Mandzukic - Ribery, Kroos, Müller - Schweinsteiger, Martinez - back four + Neuer.I'll tag Balu on and he will be able to give the insight.
@Balu
I guess it was always a question of time until he moved deeper though (and Guardiola did it quickly, when he took over). I personally prefer him in a Xavi-esque role in midfield with a holding midfielder behind him and a mobile 3rd midfielder doing the running, like at the World Cup with Schweinsteiger and Khedira/Kramer. I was never convinced by him in a classic midfield 2, but it again depends on the other players around him. What Real are doing with him seems pretty stupid. It hurts both Kroos and Modric.
Thanks for the clarification mate. I didn't realize Robben wasn't part of the regular starting line-up throughout the treble winning season. I agree with you on Kroos best position in midfield, with a safety net and a runner covering him, I don't think we have the players to execute that right now.
So, no thanks for me? You called me a liar and I want sincere apologies.
PS: I agree with Balu on Kroos's best position but you can exploit a lot of his qualities when you use him as a 10 and allow him to drop when he wants, by the way Xavi played many games as #10 in Liga against weaker teams (and I'm not lying).
So, no thanks for me? You called me a liar and I want sincere apologies.
PS: I agree with Balu on Kroos's best position but you can exploit a lot of his qualities when you use him as a 10 and allow him to drop when he wants, by the way Xavi played many games as #10 in Liga against weaker teams (and I'm not lying).
I didn't call you a liar, I just sought expert Bayern fan knowledge, using the Caf's multi country resources! I don't think we'll go for him but if we did I'd prefer him deeper, let Herrera/Pereira/Lingard fight it out for the AM role and get a proper holding player in to cover him at the back.
I'm a fan but "There's no other midfielder in the world today who could match the total attributes both in defense and offense. Even compared on a special area alone he will probably be on the very top." is just laughably untrue.
Modric is arguably more varied in attack, Ozil more creative, Iniesta probably better too. The list for defence is far too long.
Modric is arguably more varied in attack, Ozil more creative, Iniesta probably better too. The list for defence is far too long.
If you don't want Kroos or Renato Sanches. Who would you sign?