I got that. Just didn't understand why you linked to that specific comment and not to the article itself
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That is more or less the attitude, or has been at least the last few years, the most spectacular case was denying Ribery his transfer to Real.
Oh, you got that? That is a red X in my calender, Shinji San understood what i wrote!You did with a.
This is the first time you haven't made shit up when in a conversation with me. I am starting to like you.
(Qualified with a smiley) I like Kroos good player and still young. I think he will be fine personally Can and Gustavo are the ones I think of. Balu what has happened to Badstuber is he still injured? I thought he was better Boateng when fit?
I think Pep will love Muller such an intelligent player he would improve any team in the world.
I think Pep will love Muller such an intelligent player he would improve any team in the world.
Yes, tore his cruciate ligaments again in May. He has to wait now for 4 month until he again can undergo surgery, then at least another 6 month until he's back in training, so he's most likely out for the complete season.
Most likely, yes. I think Badstuber and Boateng will be a brilliant centerback pairing in a few years, they complement each other very well.
I thought that made sense too, but the evidence so far doesn't support those claims. And to be fair, he also said back then that he wouldn't be signing any Barcelona players.
You're probably right about the tiki taka, but even changing the formation so radically seems pointless to me.
Even more reason to keep Gustavo who will be the back up centre half, Martinez will also get games there. Are you keeping van Buyten?
I'm sorry but am I the only one who has failed to see what is the big deal with these two teams?
The first team isn't really much of an upgrade compared to last season's Bayern. In fact I'd go as far to say that defensively it looks even weaker. I don't understand why Martinez is put in CB ahead of their best CB Dante while Gustavo who got replaced by Martinez in midfield returns to the first XI.
The second team is an interesting prospect. But it is easier said than done. Kroos and Gotze in midfield will be hard for any team to contain but that will depend on whether can Gotze sing the same Pep Guaridola song. Both of them are very similar players, I can foresee a clash of influence with possibly Kroos reduced to just a ball retainer in midfield together with Schweinsteiger. I'm also not convinced with Muller playing the front man too. Robben is also another guy who doesn't fit Pep Guardiola's ethos. He will probably play the hardworking and unselfish Muller (Pedro) there.
Yes, van Buyten signed a one year contract extension and we bought Kirchhoff, another 22year old german centerback.
The second formation is bullshit. You won't ever see a 3 men defensive line with Lahm and Alaba in it, neither in possession nor against the ball, that makes absolutely no sense at all. A 3 men defense would be Dante - Martinez - Boateng and Lahm, Alaba would play wide midfielders/wingbacks. If we go by the pre-season games so far with the players in that formation, it would look something like:
----------- Müller
Ribery - Kroos - Götze - Robben
------Schweinsteiger
Alaba Martinez Boateng Lahm
It's the usual 4141 with Martinez at centerback and Schweinsteiger as the holding midfielder and basically what everyone is expecting right now.
If he replaces Alaba with Badstuber. Then we'll get something like Lahm - Boateng - Badstuber. Even so it will be asking too much of Lahm to play in central position.
Can the midfield triangle of Kroos - Gotze - Schweinsteiger work? If Pep is trying to recreate what he had at Barca, then I don't think he has the right set of players. Not convinced with Schweinsteiger playing in the holding role even though he is a better player than Busquets. Kroos and Gotze are brilliant players, and I know Kroos has shown himself to be more than capable of playing midfield, but they are really the final third players compared to proper CMs. If there is a feckup on Kroos and Gotze's part, that will leave Schweinsteiger lost at sea with acres of space to defend.
Thiago hasn't been signed to get benched, and I can't see Robben being a starter. Probably Thiago in place of Gotze and Gotze in place of Robben (Gotze and Muller can change positions)..
Schweinsteiger plays the holding midfield role in the nationalteam since 2010. Even though it looks different, Khedira's defensive contribution is very questionable, it is certainly not better than Kroos' when he's played as a central midfielder. Löw even played a 4141 before with Schweinsteiger as the holding midfielder and Kroos, Götze behind the striker with Müller on the right. It didn't look that bad, Germany won the game 3-2 against Brazil. If the team defends as a unit with great pressing, it might actually work. All those crazy attacking formations can work if the team has cohesion and determination to work really hard. The midfield will have to do a lot of running, so we might really need the squad depth.
I really don't care who starts yet, replace Kroos with Thiago, or play Thiago and Kroos together. Götze and Schweinsteiger haven't fully recovered from their injuries anyway, so we might start the season with Kroos, Thiago and Martinez in midfield. There will be a lot of rotation anyway.
I disagree about Robben. So far Pep has praised him, his attitude, his workrate in training and his abilities in general. He has as good a chance to start as anyone in the team.
So far, Pep praised almost any player he was asked about. Wait 10+ games into the season, then we will see who is ahead of whom.
The amount of options he has is exciting, he can field a team full of attacking power as well as one that can outmuscle any opponents midfield and counterattack.
The amount of options he has is exciting, he can field a team full of attacking power as well as one that can outmuscle any opponents midfield and counterattack.
Until now Robben has never seen much of the first part of the season at Bayern because of injuries. When is the next meeting of the national teams? Could be that it just matches somehow - Götze getting fit and Robben getting his usual injury...
I've seen Guardiola's comments about Robben and I'm a bit surprised - he never seemed like the sort of player Pep would appreciate to me. I find it difficult to believe that he'll be a regular too - not with Götze, Muller and Ribery, all superior player, still at the club.
Starts tonight for Bayern with Thiago, Schweinsteger, Muller, Robben and Ribery. It's going to be interesting.
Personally I think he's going to shine this season.
Personally I think he's going to shine this season.
Majestic under Pep so far, and has continued to shine for Germany, too.
Outstanding footballer.
Outstanding footballer.
Him and Boateng have probably taken their football up another level since Guardiola took over.
Wonderful development.
Wonderful development.
Most of us thought he'd be the one to suffer from Pep's arrival no ?
He will be their Xavi. 23 years old and his skill set are already so polished.
Some did, some didn't, koroux.
Not to be a pedantic bollocks or anything, but I remember having a debate with Suedesi on the topic a good few months back:
I think he's well on his way to proving how essential he is to both Bayern and Guardiola, not to mention his prominence in the national team.
He's the perfect player for Guardiola. Never understood why anyone said he won't find a place in the team. He's incredibly smart, his decision making is outstanding and he finds the right pass under pressure most of the time with 1 or 2 touches.
I was about to write this. I remember seeing a lot of people saying that with the arrival of Gotze, that Pep would sacrifice Kroos as one of the players to play in an attacking group of Robben, Ribery, Muller and Gotze behind the main striker. But he has played in every match so far and looks to stay there. Wonderful range of passing, as well as great ball retention. Damn the Germans have it so good
There were a lot of theories who wouldn't fit in. The obvious choices were Tymoshchuk, Gomez and Gustavo and all 3 left. Quite a lot also said Robben won't stay because he can't be part of a hard working team, but so far Robben fits in very well. He's still the first player I'd drop when Götze is fit though.
Thiago should have begged us to sign him.
Balu, what's the situation between Kroos and Thiago once Thiago comes back from injury? Do you reckon he will struggle to break in, or will Kroos be rotated with him much more often? I'm guessing he will be playing AM like Kroos and Gotze are?
Why? Pep allowed him to play 3 out of 4 possible halves before his injury. Schweinsteiger isn't the youngest anymore and has had some injury trouble lately. Add to that Pep's willingness to rotate and Thiagos young age and I don't see why he would regret his move. Especially since im not sure if he would be a regular starter at United either.
Guardiola recently said, that Lahm will play rightback again when either Martinez or Thiago are fit enough to start. Might be a hint that Guardiola really wants to play Thiago as the holding midfielder. I also think that Schweinsteiger could be the one in danger of being left out if everyone's fit. He looks out of place more than anyone else in our new system and certainly hasn't found his role in the team yet. There's also the question where Götze will play, one of the two AMs or out wide or as a false 9.
It's really tough to predict, Guardiola changes so much between the games and during games, everything seems possible and most likely Kroos, Thiago, Schweinsteiger and Martinez will play comparable minutes.
It was a joke man, not every post has to be replied with details, seriousness and everything.
I think he is currently Bayern's best midfield player. Utter class. Lovely finish against Leverkusen last weekend. Learning from a brilliant coach like Pep will help to fulfill his massive potential.
Perfect replacement for Scholes, too bad he will never move from there.
Out of interest, because I haven't been watching Bayern much this season, who is suffering the fall-out from Thiago's arrival? Kroos is apparently flying, and I'm presuming Schweinsteiger can't have been dropped at all. I suppose Martinez is back at CB? And Gustavo was the major loser from the whole thing. Anyone else, or is everyone else being fitted in somehow?
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