Titanic tourist submersible missing | Sub's debris found - crew "have been lost"

That'sHernandez said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-65914476

This boat disaster has 500 people still unaccounted for, 100 of which are children, and only five articles related to the actual disaster on the BBC.



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It's been a major story on BBC News in the morning every day since it happened.They also reported yesterday that they investigated the official report from the greek authorities over what happened and have proven that it is false and this is leading to an investigation from the UN:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-65942426

This Titanic event is newsworthy and will obviously attract interest because of the link to the wreck, because of the current mystery as to what happened.
 
HTG said:
Non of significance. Which is what I meant earlier when I said that all this is just happening so a bunch of rich people can tell others they’ve been there. They can’t see shit, they can’t do shit, they don’t explore shit. They just dive somewhere, get some bad looks into a huge piece of metal and then happily tell the peasants how life changing this was.
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You okay? I thought I was cynical but your posts here and about Spider-man have been brutal. :D
 
Jeez that thing is a total deathtrap - no obvious sign of any sort of manual recovery options from inside - surely they had more control than a button and an gaming controller?

You'd need at least a triple redundancy of some sort of air buoyancy bags to stabilise descent and do a gradual ascent. Being sealed in from outside is fine, but you need to have some sort of independent means to physically control the vessel. Anyone who has done 5 minutes of scuba training wouldn't go near that thing!
 
buchansleftleg said:
Jeez that thing is a total deathtrap - no obvious sign of any sort of manual recovery options from inside - surely they had more control than a button and an gaming controller?

You'd need at least a triple redundancy of some sort of air buoyancy bags to stabilise descent and do a gradual ascent. Being sealed in from outside is fine, but you need to have some sort of independent means to physically control the vessel. Anyone who has done 5 minutes of scuba training wouldn't go near that thing!
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From what I've read you are literally bolted in, no way of exit from the inside without someone outside.
 
I also think it sounds pretty cool, but that amount of money would set me up on drugs for life, so if I was that rich it would be going on opioids not submarine trips
 
Cascarino said:
I also think it sounds pretty cool, but that amount of money would set me up on drugs for life, so if I was that rich it would be going on opioids not submarine trips
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HTG would hate you either way. Might as well do both.
 
DOTA said:
Worse.

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What is that abomination?

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That'sHernandez said:
I don’t understand why you would want to visit what is essentially a mass grave deep under the sea in person. Especially considering the view of it is no better/likely worse than what you would get by using a remote submersible with cameras.

Also the reaction to a maximum of five (rich) people, however tragic, is massively over the top when you compare it to the indifference in coverage of migrant crossing deaths.
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Agree with your last part. Any loss of life is tragic. But the fact a migrant boat with over 500 people has led to mass loss of lives of people who were actually living in desperation and seeking to find a better future has been completely over shadowed by a handful of rich people spending lavishly on a day out is disturbing and sad.
 
rimaldo said:
they do know it’s likely to be under the water? fecking stupid yanks.
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But it might not be. Almost all subs like this have safety measures whereby they would surface in the event of system failures.

There's really three options:
  1. There was structural failure and they imploded. This would be by a mile the preferable outcome as it would be instant, almost certainly faster than your brain could perceive.
  2. The structure is intact but they've lost power or had some other systems failures and they surfaced somewhere and are waiting to be found. If they're not found they'll end up running out of oxygen and will basically fall asleep and not wake up.
  3. The structure is intact but they've lost power or had some other systems failures but they didn't surface. In this situation running out of oxygen is not what will kill them, they will freeze to death in the dark before that happens.
 
Just read an article which states that the deepest successful submarine rescue operation was done at 488 meters somewhere near Ireland in the 70s, while this one is supposed to be performed at 3.815 meters (if it's even there)? They don't stand a chance if true, unfortunately.

If the submersible could've been opened from the inside, could they have opened it had they surfaced and just wait on top of it, floating around? Man, you couldn't even get me into one of those things if I got $250k myself, terrifying stuff.
 
You may as well go in a simulator with video footage of the wreck if you're going down in something that only has a screen anyway.
 
slyadams said:
But it might not be. Almost all subs like this have safety measures whereby they would surface in the event of system failures.

There's really three options:
  1. There was structural failure and they imploded. This would be by a mile the preferable outcome as it would be instant, almost certainly faster than your brain could perceive.
  2. The structure is intact but they've lost power or had some other systems failures and they surfaced somewhere and are waiting to be found. If they're not found they'll end up running out of oxygen and will basically fall asleep and not wake up.
  3. The structure is intact but they've lost power or had some other systems failures but they didn't surface. In this situation running out of oxygen is not what will kill them, they will freeze to death in the dark before that happens.
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It's painless but the thought of your life is ending in a few hours... However painless that would be seems daunting... Especially if you're rich
 
I'm not superstitious just a littlestitious but there's no way I'm getting anywhere near that submersible. Why would I want to visit a place underwater that everyone and their mothers know thousands of people have died in there. I wouldn't even do it for free.
 
Sky1981 said:
It's painless but the thought of your life is ending in a few hours... However painless that would be seems daunting... Especially if you're rich
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Oh, 100%. But given the three choices of death: I'll take instant first, running out of oxygen in the light next (there's at least hope there you'll be found) and freezing in the dark last.
 
tenpoless said:
I'm not superstitious just a littlestitious but there's no way I'm getting anywhere near that submersible. Why would I want to visit a place underwater that everyone and their mothers know thousands of people have died in there. I wouldn't even do it for free.
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You never spend a cool quarter million to watch mass graves?
 
mitChley said:
From what I've read you are literally bolted in, no way of exit from the inside without someone outside.
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I'm not so concerned about being bolted in the thing. At serious depth you want to reduce any potential points of failure. However - it should have several ways of of getting to the surface manually that can be controlled from within, that don't require power.

As a bare minimum it should have some sort of detachable weights that would change the craft to be gently positively buoyant and gradually bring you to the surface. This thing looks to just have static weights that are probably added to to counteract how empty or full the crew compliment is - I can't see any way to jettison them from inside. Secondly a small deployable airbag that can be inflated to increase the rate of ascent if needed in an emergency. Then finally some sort of surface buoyancy skirt to keep the thing in the correct aspect at the surface.

All the pictures I have seen of this craft it just has loads of cameras and lights on arms around a simple metal tube. There is no sign of any independent safety equipment on the craft. If that is the case they are seriously negligent. This is all standard Scuba equipment any divemaster has knowledge of and would surely have built into the craft.
 
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slyadams said:
But it might not be. Almost all subs like this have safety measures whereby they would surface in the event of system failures.
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Mate, have you seen the design of it? I highly doubt this sub has any kind of advanced feature like auto resurface. I’m surprised it’s even able to go in the direction it’s told to.
 
Chief123 said:
Mate, have you seen the design of it? I highly doubt this sub has any kind of advanced feature like auto resurface. I’m surprised it’s even able to go in the direction it’s told to.
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It 100% has this feature, doesn't mean it worked though.
 
Solius said:
The guy in that (talking about the game controller) is widely reported to be on board too.
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you need someone highly qualified on board to press the descent button.
 
sullydnl said:
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I really hope this guy is correct but I can't see any of these systems on the actual craft -in the photos or on their spec sheets. There are a lot of buoyancy and ballast systems on the little launch platform that the craft is tethered to but surely if it was still tethered to the platform it would have been recovered by now
 
youngrell said:
You may as well go in a simulator with video footage of the wreck if you're going down in something that only has a screen anyway.
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that’s the most baffling thing to me. and suggests the person running it is a fecking idiot. just con the rich people into getting in to the sub, have people on the outside rock it about a bit, make whale noises and splash some water around for a couple of hours, then open the doors again. no need to actually go anywhere near the water.
 
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